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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
Computer has Win98SE and Windows 2000 (dual booted).
Win98 hardly ever crashes, and runs fine. The computer is a 14 year old 1GHZ processor with 512 ram (max ram allowed). And a total of 240G HDD (two 120G drives). I dont use Win2000 very often, but when I do, it usually worked ok. That was until I decided to upgrade Firefox. Win98 wont allow anything above FF3.x (with KernelEx). I had the same installed in Win2K, but found that FF 10.7 was the last version made for Win2000, so I decided to install it. It worked for about 20 minutes, I opened another website, and moments later, the entire computer just shut off. WTF????? I have had as many as 25 webpages opened at the same time in Win98, plus several other programs, before Win98 starts to run real slow and jerky. I only had three webpages opened and nothing else, using that FF 10.7, when the computer shut off???? I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? |
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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
On 02/20/2015 03:12 AM, wrote:
Computer has Win98SE and Windows 2000 (dual booted). Win98 hardly ever crashes, and runs fine. The computer is a 14 year old 1GHZ processor with 512 ram (max ram allowed). And a total of 240G HDD (two 120G drives). I dont use Win2000 very often, but when I do, it usually worked ok. That was until I decided to upgrade Firefox. Win98 wont allow anything above FF3.x (with KernelEx). I had the same installed in Win2K, but found that FF 10.7 was the last version made for Win2000, so I decided to install it. It worked for about 20 minutes, I opened another website, and moments later, the entire computer just shut off. WTF????? I have had as many as 25 webpages opened at the same time in Win98, plus several other programs, before Win98 starts to run real slow and jerky. I only had three webpages opened and nothing else, using that FF 10.7, when the computer shut off???? I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? Many years ago I did something similar. I found out that although KernelEx may allow one to install a newer version of Firefox than could normally be installed...the bottom line is that Firefox will not work. Basically that means ...either not using Win98 for browsing or else install a older but supported browser. Truth is I would not use either Win98 or Win2k on-line or else use a very simple browser such as OffByOne which would be much less likely to run malicious scripts http://offbyone.com/offbyone/ob1_overview.htm |
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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
| I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for
| Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, | if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is | real bizarre..... | | Anyone know why? | There's no way to know based on the information. I would guess it was probably a script problem. A lot of malware gets installed via "driveby" attacks these days. Malware authors hack into legitimate websites, install obfuscated script code, then get you when you visit the page. If you just allow script you're a sitting duck, and FF10 will have lots of since-repaired vulnerabilities that can be exploited. The other script issue is that it's simply far more complex than it was a few years ago. Many webpages are really software programs with very little HTML but often 1/4 MB or more of script. FF10 will probably not be aware of some of the script operations. Nor will it recognize much of the CSS being used today. CSS and HTML are designed to "degrade gracefully" -- browsers will just ignore what they don't understand. But script is programming code. It won't work to just ignore anything that's not recognized. In other words, FF may just be befuddled by it all. But how it takes down the whole system on Win2000, unless you got malware, is another question. |
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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
Il giorno Fri 20 Feb 2015 10:12:07a, ** inviava su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio . Vediamo cosa scrisse: And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? CPU overheating? -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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... Computer has Win98SE and Windows 2000 (dual booted). Win98 hardly ever crashes, and runs fine. The computer is a 14 year old 1GHZ processor with 512 ram (max ram allowed). And a total of 240G HDD (two 120G drives). I dont use Win2000 very often, but when I do, it usually worked ok. That was until I decided to upgrade Firefox. Win98 wont allow anything above FF3.x (with KernelEx). I had the same installed in Win2K, but found that FF 10.7 was the last version made for Win2000, so I decided to install it. It worked for about 20 minutes, I opened another website, and moments later, the entire computer just shut off. WTF????? use http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?old_firefox=12460 Version Firefox 10.0.12 (ESR) Supported Systems Windows 95, 98, Me (Firefox 2), 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 Release Date 03 January, 2013 (2 years ago ) |
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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:22:17 -0600, "BillyRay0808 USA VP 2016"
wrote: I dont use Win2000 very often, but when I do, it usually worked ok. That was until I decided to upgrade Firefox. Win98 wont allow anything above FF3.x (with KernelEx). I had the same installed in Win2K, but found that FF 10.7 was the last version made for Win2000, so I decided to install it. It worked for about 20 minutes, I opened another website, and moments later, the entire computer just shut off. WTF????? use http://www.oldapps.com/firefox.php?old_firefox=12460 Version Firefox 10.0.12 (ESR) Supported Systems Windows 95, 98, Me (Firefox 2), 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 This is really wrong. Win98se will NOT run FF10.x. Even with KernelEx installed. And Win95, not at all. But FF10.x IS supposed to work on Win2K. (But from what happened to me, I have my doubts). Release Date 03 January, 2013 (2 years ago ) |
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Win2000, just shuts off from Firefox 10.x
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:08:21 +0700, JJ wrote:
Does it occurr persistently? i.e. only when running that FF version? I had just installed that version. I had FF3.x before that, and never had that problem. Does that FF version already utilize GPU acceleration? No clue.... What's that ?????? When was the last time you stress tested your system? How do I do a test? I only know the computer works almost flawlessly otherwise, especially Win98se, which is far more stable than any other OS I've ever used. |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:08:21 +0700, JJ wrote: Does it occurr persistently? i.e. only when running that FF version? I had just installed that version. I had FF3.x before that, and never had that problem. Does that FF version already utilize GPU acceleration? No clue.... What's that ?????? When was the last time you stress tested your system? How do I do a test? I only know the computer works almost flawlessly otherwise, especially Win98se, which is far more stable than any other OS I've ever used. You can check for hardware acceleration, using "about:support" as a URL. https://blog.mozilla.org/joe/2010/11...-acceleration/ The preferences would likely mention it (or about:config would have it, for preferences they don't want to put in the control panel style preference thing). The suggestion in this image, is the GPU is used to render fonts, rather than the CPU drawing each letter into the window. http://www.techlivez.com/wp-content/...gpu-enable.jpg gfx.font_rendering.directwrite.enabled true (default) As for the last release in Win2K, try this article. It's not written with the kind of precision I'd like to see, but it's better than nothing. This suggests up to Firefox 12 would be build with the older SDK suited to the purpose. Now, whether the Firefox installer is doing an OS check, and preventing other versions from running, that's a possibility. (at this instant, archive.org is down for maintenance...) https://web.archive.org/web/20120128...fox_win2k.html And they don't particularly like you downloading releases from here, but this is just to show that *every* release can be found here if you need a copy. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.or...0/win32/en-US/ You can start here if you want to select a particular release. ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases ******* For stress testing... 1) Use Speedfan if you need to track CPU temperature. http://www.almico.com/speedfan450.exe If the CPU temperature is 65C, then come back and give details. A whole page could be written on the topic. Knowing your exact CPU model helps write that page. 2) Use memtest86+ from www.memtest.org to test the computer memory. The downloads are half way down the web page. Files are available to make various boot media. I have some floppy versions here for example (to test the 8GB on my Core2). They also have an ISO9660 for boot CD. One "pass" of memtest86+ is sufficient for a quick test. It's good for stuck-at faults, less good for transient faults (because it may not be stressful enough). When you press "esc" key, the computer reboots. Remove the boot media before doing so. 3) Prime95 and specifically, the Torture Test option, provide a good in-your-OS test. Versions are available for Windows as well as Linux. You can specify how much memory to test (up to the limits of the particular executable you're using). On a 32 bit version of program, and with a 2GB OS/2GB UserSpace split, Prime95 should be limited to max 2GB. Practical limit is 1.8GB or so. You can run multiple copies (as long as each copy of Prime95 is housed in its own folder). For Win2K, you want the "win32" version. http://www.mersenne.org/download/ If it asks "Do you want to joing GIMPS", say "No, just testing" as your answer. We're using this program to test computer stability, rather than giving free computer time to the community search for Mersenne Prime numbers. People who want to make their computers available, would be testing the stability first, so that only stable computers are used in the search for that particular flavor of prime numbers. The numbers in question have 40 million digits, and the math takes a long long time. If none of the test threads exit before about four hours of testing have completed... your system is stable. If the coloration of a test thread turns "red", it's dead and has encountered an error. A computer that throws an error in this test, is no longer a computer - it's a boat anchor, until you fix it. Since Win2K desktop only supports 1 core or 2 cores, you won't have that many test threads to contend with. When I overclock a computer while testing, a program like Prime95 torture test option, can fail in under ten seconds. So it can reach a negative conclusion fairly quickly, if the computer is not stable. What the program does, is a math calculation with a known answer. The test stops, if the answer that comes back is wrong by even a tiny amount. To run Prime95, I would 1) Start Speedfan. Monitor CPU temperature. Prime95 could make a poorly cooled computer overhead. 2) Start Prime95. Set up the test. Select a small amount of memory for a first run, like 512MB. The test program uses various amounts of memory for each FFT run, so some tests run "in-core", while others waste most of their time doing memory read/write. In the first case, the CPU gets hot, and in the second, a lot of memory locations are visited. Both CPU and memory get tested, as well as the Northbridge with the memory controller on it (on older computers). 3) If the PC shuts off, try to monitor temperature up to the shutdown point with Speedfan. See if the shutdown seems related to an excessive temperature (65C is hot enough to burn you). 4) If Prime95 turns Red before the four hours is up, you can still check temperatures to see how hot the CPU is. If all the test threads stop, the computer will cool off again. If temperature is going to be a problem, it'll likely show up around the ten minute mark. If the machine makes it to ten minutes, then it probably isn't a thermal problem. I use Prime95 because it's a good way to test the cooling system on the PC. You can continue to work while Prime95 is running. If you set the memory setting rather high though, there might not be a lot of memory left for your other activities. Paul |
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Do not know if it will help any but I have been running FF 12.0 on
Windows 2000 since that ver came out and I have less memory than you do. Are you running any plug-ins with FF? Stan wrote: Computer has Win98SE and Windows 2000 (dual booted). Win98 hardly ever crashes, and runs fine. The computer is a 14 year old 1GHZ processor with 512 ram (max ram allowed). And a total of 240G HDD (two 120G drives). I dont use Win2000 very often, but when I do, it usually worked ok. That was until I decided to upgrade Firefox. Win98 wont allow anything above FF3.x (with KernelEx). I had the same installed in Win2K, but found that FF 10.7 was the last version made for Win2000, so I decided to install it. It worked for about 20 minutes, I opened another website, and moments later, the entire computer just shut off. WTF????? I have had as many as 25 webpages opened at the same time in Win98, plus several other programs, before Win98 starts to run real slow and jerky. I only had three webpages opened and nothing else, using that FF 10.7, when the computer shut off???? I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:47:10 +1300, Dave Doe wrote:
when the computer shut off???? I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? No mind-readers around here that I know of Check the Event Logs... Start | Programs | Administrative Tools | Event Viewer. I found this: The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x000000c2 (0x00000007, 0x00000b8a, 0xe1581400, 0xe1581408). Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: D:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini020915-01.dmp. |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:47:10 +1300, Dave Doe wrote: when the computer shut off???? I could understand FF not working well, if it was not intended for Win2K, but it claims that FF 10.7 was made for Win2K. And regardless, if FF crashed, I'd understand, but to shut off the whole computer is real bizarre..... Anyone know why? No mind-readers around here that I know of Check the Event Logs... Start | Programs | Administrative Tools | Event Viewer. I found this: The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x000000c2 (0x00000007, 0x00000b8a, 0xe1581400, 0xe1581408). Microsoft Windows 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in: D:\WINNT\Minidump\Mini020915-01.dmp. 0x000000C2: BAD_POOL_CALLER http://aumha.org/a/stop.htm "0x000000C2: BAD_POOL_CALLER" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/265879 "Parameter 1 = 0x7 : Attempt to free pool which was already freed" I suppose we could find a copy of Poolmon, but I don't know whether that's going to lead to a solution or not. This isn't a leak, so this won't help. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ntdebugging/...2-poolmon.aspx ******* OK, so I found a reference to a Hotfix. "You receive a "Stop error code 0x000000C2" (BAD_POOL_CALLER) error message on a Windows 2000-based computer" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896674 Windows 2000 English x86 Fix158975 sp5 win2000 2195 901311 bytes 5/16/2005 6:00:25 PM Now, we don't take Hotfixes, if there is a service pack. There is no such thing as "sp5", but that Hotfix was built, assuming it would be superceded by sp5 when it comes out. Win2K goes from SP1 to SP4. They could have made an SP5, but they called it "Update Rollup 1 Version 2". The date on this is "Update Rollup 1 for Windows 2000 SP4 (KB891861)" http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=18997 I keep Win2K in a VM, and I have that OS updated with the Rollup, and it fixes the odd problem. Some applications depend on the rollup being present, to work properly. And the rollup consists of nothing more than Windows Updates that accumulated after SP4. So install the Rollup, then retest... Do not install 896674, as I think the Rollup has that one covered. Somewhere, there is a list of updates that are in the Rollup. But if you don't have the rollup, you should install it. You should verify the current patch level of Win2K. For the longest while, I kept one at SP2, for some CAD software. But eventually, I just updated to SP4, just to see if the CAD software would die. And I think it was fine. It's possible if you look in the System control panel, it'll say what the current patch level is. And if you look in the Add/Remove, you might be able to check and see if the Rollup is installed. If you have SP4 installed Rollup 1 Version 2 installed And Firefox still has problem... in that case I'm out of ideas. While there is that Hotfix, I generally try to track down confirmation it's the only choice. The Rollup on the other hand, you really should have that installed, because "that's like SP5 for Win2K". HTH, Paul |
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