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registry cleaner and back up
Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10.
need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you -- Grampy Pete |
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registry cleaner and back up
Grampy Pete wrote:
Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you Grampy: To do it right will cost you some money, vis: Buy a USB backup drive. They come in 80-250 gigabyte size. Figure around $100-$150 dollars. Invest $60-or-so in either Norton "Ghost" or Acronis "True Image" software. *Thoroughly* understand what the software does before you start. Ignore the "Registry Cleaner" aspect. Simply not necessary in 99 out of 100 cases. That's probably not the answer you were hoping for, but it is the "best" way to do it. Tony ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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registry cleaner and back up
No such thing as a reliable cleaner.
"Grampy Pete" wrote in message ... Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you -- Grampy Pete |
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registry cleaner and back up
well, it depends.
when one says backup nowadays, it is no longer a simple dos backup of a little 40 megabyte harddisk. now you can not only backup up the disk, but have the option to backup up the system files only or just the registry or just the personal files you create and store on your pc. in my opinion disk imaging is better than the old backup method. here is more information but the question you asked has many answers and no one here knows which is best for your particular situation: http://www.microsoft.com/protect/you...data/what.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...n/default.mspx you can also try googling for microsoft one care & system mechanic. the two programs above are provided as examples and they do have their drawbacks, but so does every software in the world. in regards to registry cleaners - the following link is just one of many possibilities: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm btw: since at this time you are on a fact finding mission, so you will need to begin narrowing down your possibilities or preferences. if and when you decide to take a certain course of action, let us know and we can provide you with any drawbacks or tips. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯` ·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸))) º .. "Grampy Pete" wrote in message ... Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you -- Grampy Pete |
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registry cleaner and back up
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm
Would you say this is the safest way to go IF a scan was to be done + money was a concern?. -- Grampy Pete "db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." wrote: well, it depends. when one says backup nowadays, it is no longer a simple dos backup of a little 40 megabyte harddisk. now you can not only backup up the disk, but have the option to backup up the system files only or just the registry or just the personal files you create and store on your pc. in my opinion disk imaging is better than the old backup method. here is more information but the question you asked has many answers and no one here knows which is best for your particular situation: http://www.microsoft.com/protect/you...data/what.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...n/default.mspx you can also try googling for microsoft one care & system mechanic. the two programs above are provided as examples and they do have their drawbacks, but so does every software in the world. in regards to registry cleaners - the following link is just one of many possibilities: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm btw: since at this time you are on a fact finding mission, so you will need to begin narrowing down your possibilities or preferences. if and when you decide to take a certain course of action, let us know and we can provide you with any drawbacks or tips. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯` ·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸))) º .. "Grampy Pete" wrote in message ... Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you -- Grampy Pete |
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registry cleaner and back up
i'm glad you asked
and kept up in mind. well, like many programs it may be worth every penny or it may not be what you expected. however, i can say this is that they have 3 versions of it, if you want to try out Microsoft's versions. one version is the full software that can be installed and purchased. then also offer it as a thirty or sixty day free trial as well. then they simply have the online scanning version which is free to use. this version doesn't install the full program onto your system as it is designed to run from the web: here is the link: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm the version at the link does not offer the backup service. also, thy out the links on the left hand side as well on the site as well. something to keep in mind about this subject - don't rush to buy. many companies offer a "free" trial for at least thirty days. so you may end up liking system mechanic better that one care or vice versa. you may also simply go a different way altogether and instead of buying an all in one program, you may like buying/getting separate software's that specialize in different aspects of your pc. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯` ·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸))) º .. "Grampy Pete" wrote in message ... http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm Would you say this is the safest way to go IF a scan was to be done + money was a concern?. -- Grampy Pete "db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." wrote: well, it depends. when one says backup nowadays, it is no longer a simple dos backup of a little 40 megabyte harddisk. now you can not only backup up the disk, but have the option to backup up the system files only or just the registry or just the personal files you create and store on your pc. in my opinion disk imaging is better than the old backup method. here is more information but the question you asked has many answers and no one here knows which is best for your particular situation: http://www.microsoft.com/protect/you...data/what.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...n/default.mspx you can also try googling for microsoft one care & system mechanic. the two programs above are provided as examples and they do have their drawbacks, but so does every software in the world. in regards to registry cleaners - the following link is just one of many possibilities: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm btw: since at this time you are on a fact finding mission, so you will need to begin narrowing down your possibilities or preferences. if and when you decide to take a certain course of action, let us know and we can provide you with any drawbacks or tips. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..)))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯` ·...¸)))º¸. )))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸))) º .. "Grampy Pete" wrote in message ... Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you -- Grampy Pete |
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registry cleaner and back up
Grampy Pete wrote:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm Would you say this is the safest way to go IF a scan was to be done + money was a concern? Relatively safe. That is, probably safer than other registry cleaners. But as others have said, the safest way to go is not to clean your registry at all. 99% of the time, it's simply not needed and doesn't speed anything up at all. If you're interested in speeding up your PC, see "Slow Computer" at: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/slowcom.htm Most common causes of a slow PC are malware, too many unneeded processes running, not enough RAM, and failure to delete temp files (followed occasionally by a defrag). Once someone presents evidence (not anecdotal) that shows otherwise, it should be assumed that deleting orphaned registry entries has virtually no impact on a system. Yes, there are sometimes reasons to do this, but that's for instances of traces of a program (like Norton or McAfee, for instance) remaining after uninstalling that actually prevent other functions to work. Otherwise, you are wise to avoid messing with the registry as you most likely have nothing at all to gain. |
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registry cleaner and back up
Grampy Pete wrote:
Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Conclusion: I will leave reg cleaners to the pros. I need to beef up my anti
spyware as I had trouble with the 07 versions of Adaware and Spbot so I'm currently using Windows Defender. It could use some help- any ideas?. All of you helped me arrive at the conclusion I reached and I thank you for all those characters sent to me. -- Grampy Pete "Bruce Chambers" wrote: Grampy Pete wrote: Dell 4600-4 years old, xp home sp2, 2.66Ghz, 768 mb ram, user 5 scale 1-10. need reliable cleaner and ez way to back up first. Thank you Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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registry cleaner and back up
Nonsense...
CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... And improves performance. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry cleaner? If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe. The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every change. Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe they claim to be. More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk. Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits. I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user. |
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Registry Cleaner
Nope...
Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance.
John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
Twaddle...
My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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Registry Cleaner
Bunk.
John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Twaddle... My experience proves otherwise. DSH "John John" wrote in message ... That is an absurd claim, cleaning the registry does not improve performance. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nope... Bollixed Thinking... I've run tests on several machines and CCleaner's Registry Cleaner has improved performance on nine of them -- as compared to exactly identical machines without CCleaner. DSH "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Nonsense... CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner.... CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any other snake oil product of the same type. And improves performance. Utterly untrue. *NO* registry "cleaner" has ever been proven to improve performance; the actions they perform are not the sort that could have any affect on a computer's performance. |
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