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  #61  
Old December 24th 07, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
John Barnett MVP[_3_]
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Posts: 277
Default Registry Cleaner

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself. While I
agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what
CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using CCleaner I
can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner has located a
large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new machine. I
purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed and run CCleaner and it
only found 2 problems.

Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't
seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is that
when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary
internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of Windows
Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be a fluke I am
beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk
Cleanup?

--
--
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Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"Daave" wrote in message
...
No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've used Ccleaner and have
only found the clearing of temp files to be beneficial. If you've done
more extensive testing, good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who
made the claim in the first place! And I still find it interesting you're
unwilling to back it up.

Belief and knowledge are two different things...


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Right!

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

DSH

" db `.. )))` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message news:%23duS%

...

he is a sly one and
was just baiting you.

if he had such an open
mind, he could download
the program and test it
himself.
--

db `.. , . .`..)))`..`..`...))).
)))`.. , . .`.. )))`..`..`...)))

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...


I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

I'm not trying to sell anything.

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of the
tests
I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back and
forth
caterwauling.

I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as
managing my
stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or email
or
doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order. g

I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various
configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,
faster
loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster
startups
and shutdowns.

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been Removed --
No
FUD.

I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't
speak to
them.

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the
Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

Your Mileage May Vary...

So, Run Your Own Tests.

Bonne Chance!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas





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  #62  
Old December 24th 07, 08:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Posts: 6,208
Default Registry Cleaner

John Barnett MVP wrote:
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I regularly myself.
While I agree with Bruce Chambers sentiments regarding CCleaner checking
what CCleaner is actually removing, in the few years I've been using
CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a position were CCleaner
has located a large amount of 'problems' that needed fixing, even on
brand new machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago, installed
and run CCleaner and it only found 2 problems.



I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no
additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files.


Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing how, after using a
registry cleaner one automatically thinks, WoW that certainly improved
things when, in reality it has done nothing of the sort. I certainly
haven't seen any increase in speed - well that has been noticeable, anyway.

One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate at any rate is
that when CCleaner is doing general housekeeping, i.e., removing
temporary internet files, history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image
of Windows Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine happens to be
a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I actually cleaning what
CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?


CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #63  
Old December 24th 07, 09:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Posts: 187
Default Registry Cleaner

Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do anything
in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.



  #64  
Old December 24th 07, 09:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Posts: 187
Default Registry Cleaner

There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself....



  #65  
Old December 24th 07, 09:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Daave
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Posts: 3,568
Default Registry Cleaner

Are you able to show evidence that the deletion of useless registry
entries appreciably improves the performance of a PC?


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do
anything in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.




  #66  
Old December 24th 07, 09:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Unknown
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Posts: 6,007
Default Registry Cleaner

It is nothing but trash taking up space on your system. It has NO benefits,
only potential problems.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Utter Nonsense.

CCleaner has worked beautifully for me for several years.

I've cleaned out thousands of useless entries from my Registry.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do anything
in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.





  #67  
Old December 24th 07, 09:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bruce Chambers
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Posts: 6,208
Default Registry Cleaner

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.


And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits....


So do I.

It's a very useful tool.



Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
  #68  
Old December 24th 07, 11:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Posts: 187
Default Registry Cleaner

My box runs faster and smoother after I use CCleaner, including both the
Registry Cleaner and Basic Cleaner, which does much more than just delete
Temporary Internet Files, properly employed.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:


There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any performance benefits....

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.


Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of any value.



  #69  
Old December 25th 07, 03:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
John Barnett MVP[_3_]
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Posts: 277
Default Registry Cleaner

yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in my original post,
regularly recommend it but, unlike you, I haven't seen any speed increase
through its use. Once again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive." If there is any performance, and
without testing it rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining any
increase in performance I would have to say that any such claim to fame
regarding current increase in performance, if indeed there is any, is
negligible.

--
--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote in message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I [sic] regularly
myself....




  #70  
Old December 25th 07, 04:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Poprivet`
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Posts: 287
Default Registry Cleaner

Yeah, I can't speak for Vista, but ccleaner is pretty
good with all the previous versions of windows. I'm
pretty curious about Vista and the "run & switch" type
thing you mentioned, but not curious enough to buy it
since it seems to give me nothing of any advantage over
what I currently have and which is very satisfactory.
IMO whenever one comes across some purist who says
to "never" use a certain application when it's been
around for as long as ccleaner (and several others) has
and with its good history, they can pretty much be
ignored.
I would caution however that, as with ANY
application that plays with the registry or any system
files or functions, one should always RTFM and be
certain their data is backed up. At the very least,
with XP, do a System State backup first; it's quick and
easy to Restore, and more reliable then Restore Points.
And every copy of XP is capable of it.

HTH

Pop`



John Barnett MVP wrote:
I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
regularly myself. While I agree with Bruce Chambers
sentiments regarding CCleaner checking what CCleaner
is
actually removing, in the few years I've been using
CCleaner I can't say that I've actually been in a
position were CCleaner has located a large amount of
'problems' that needed fixing, even on brand new
machine. I purchased a new machine two weeks ago,
installed and run CCleaner and it only found 2
problems.
Speed increase is probably relative. It is amazing
how,
after using a registry cleaner one automatically
thinks,
WoW that certainly improved things when, in reality
it
has done nothing of the sort. I certainly haven't
seen
any increase in speed - well that has been
noticeable,
anyway.
One thing I have noticed, with Windows Vista Ultimate
at
any rate is that when CCleaner is doing general
housekeeping, i.e., removing temporary internet
files,
history etc I am actually seeing a ghost image of
Windows
Vista's Disk Cleanup Tool, so unless my machine
happens
to be a fluke I am beginning to ask myself who I
actually
cleaning what CCleaner or Vista Disk Cleanup?
--

"Daave" wrote in
message ...
No bait. You're the one who made the claim. I've
used
Ccleaner and have only found the clearing of temp
files
to be beneficial. If you've done more extensive
testing,
good for you. But bear in mind that is was YOU who
made
the claim in the first place! And I still find it
interesting you're unwilling to back it up. Belief
and knowledge are two different things...


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in
message
...
Right!

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

DSH

" db `.. )))` .. ."
databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote
in
message news:%23duS%
...

he is a sly one and
was just baiting you.

if he had such an open
mind, he could download
the program and test it
himself.
--

db `.. , .
.`..)))`..`..`...))).
)))`.. , . .`..
)))`..`..`...)))

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote
in
message
...

I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe
me
or not. I'm not trying to sell anything.

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post
elaborate results of the tests
I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread
of
worthless back and forth
caterwauling.

I can use that time far better in other useful
pursuits such as managing my
stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a
historical post or email or
doing something nice for my wife -- not
necessarily
in that order. g I ran controlled tests on nine
different machines
with various configurations -- using the Registry
Cleaner in CCleaner. Performance was improved on
all of them -- fewer
hangs and pauses, faster
loading of applications, faster executions of
commands and faster startups
and shutdowns.

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not
Have Been Removed -- No
FUD.

I have no experience of using other Registry
Cleaners
-- so I can't speak to
them.

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or
make
changes to the Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot
empiricist. Your Mileage May Vary...

So, Run Your Own Tests.

Bonne Chance!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas




  #71  
Old December 25th 07, 04:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Poprivet`
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 287
Default Registry Cleaner

Bruce Chambers wrote:
....


CCleaner's sole strength, and the only reason I
use
it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused
temporary files from the hard drive.


That sounds a tad suspicious when that ability is
available natively . But, you're entitled to your
opinion, applicability and reality aside.

Pop`


  #72  
Old December 25th 07, 05:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Poprivet`
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Posts: 287
Default Registry Cleaner

Because it comes from an MVP doesn't make it that much
better than any other thughtful poster on this group.
At least two other MVPs will tell you not to use it
under any circumstances for registry work. Those same
two instead suggest editing the registry manually;
completely folly for a lot more people than using a
cleaner ever screwed up.
All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system. That's good, but it doesn't mean that their
expertise is in the area of any particular thread, nor
that they are going to have any more common sense than
the next guy. All it says is they passed the test to
get the title. A few even use the title when it's not
true, but I don't see a lot of that on this particular
group.
So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.
--
My 2

Pop`


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote
in
message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
[sic]
regularly myself....




  #73  
Old December 25th 07, 05:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Poprivet`
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Posts: 287
Default Registry Cleaner

Bruce Chambers wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.


And clearly stated that it did *NOT* provide any
performance benefits....


No one has yet insisted that it *will*, only that it's
possible in some cases. In fact, I myself explained
just that in a prior post.

Of the several machines I've used it on, I've seen it
help timing twice and straighten out "funnies" many
times, and gotten rid of effor messages for
non-existing applications many times. Of the times I
can specifically recall, there was at least one
registry-oriented fix amongst them all that related to
the improvements.
Time to stop lolly-gagging and let the thread go
back to topical discussion if there is any left. You
in particular are being a wart on the ass of progress
here and should just move on.

Pop`




So do I.

It's a very useful tool.



Useful, how, precisely? It doesn't do anything of
any
value.




  #74  
Old December 25th 07, 05:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Poprivet`
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 287
Default Registry Cleaner

I'm not singling you out John, because you sound like a
reasonable person. But, this does seem a good place to
make a few comments on the arguement s being presented:

Very true and well said John, except that it's the
cleaning of the registry that isn't resulting in any
speed increases, as would be expected, not solely the
use of ccleaner or any other "cleaner" for the
registry.

Personally, rather than this arguing and restating
things, I think checking to see if the OP is open to
input is in order and if so, then addressing his
initial problem is even more in order. IIRC no one but
me has chosen to offer him any understanding of what
cleaning the registry might accomplish, and where he
can look after that's done, assuming it doesn't improve
anything perceptibly. But it's been lost in all the
arguing and even egocentric comments flying around.
The OP be damned, the arguing factions are insisting on
taking over the thread at the OP's expense. This
happens way too often here lately and should be
stopped.

Regards John,

Pop`



John Barnett MVP wrote:
yes, DHS, I do use CCleaner and, as I have stated in
my
original post, regularly recommend it but, unlike
you, I
haven't seen any speed increase through its use. Once
again I have to quote Bruce Chambers in as much as
"CCleaner's sole strength lies in its usefulness for
cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
drive."
If there is any performance, and without testing it
rigourously solely for the purpose of ascertaining
any
increase in performance I would have to say that any
such
claim to fame regarding current increase in
performance,
if indeed there is any, is negligible.
--

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in
message ...
There you have it.

Even this MVP uses it.

So do I.

It's a very useful tool.

DSH

"John Barnett MVP" wrote
in
message
...

I have to say that I recommend CCleaner and use I
[sic]
regularly myself....




  #75  
Old December 25th 07, 05:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Ken Blake, MVP
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,542
Default Registry Cleaner

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:06:48 -0500, "Poprivet`"
wrote:


All being an MVP means is they've passed a few tests
in one or sometimes more areas of the MS operating
system.



No, this is not at all correct.

First, being an MVP doesn't necessarily have anything to do with
Microsoft operating systems. Many people have other specialties, and
get their MVP awards for supporting other Microsoft
software/technology. There are Word MVPs, Excel MVPs, Publisher MVPs,
Access MVPs, Expression MVPs, Outlook MVPs, Security MVPs, and many
other types.

Second, there is no testing involved. The award is based on a history
of providing consistent and accurate advice.

For more information about the MVP program, read he
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


So, while advice from an MVP CAN be great, it could
also be no better than anyone else's responses. As
with any group, it's worth lurking first and learning
who the better players are.



I completely agree with that, and have said the same thing in these
newsgroups many times.

By the way, every MVP was once not an MVP, and every MVP posted good
information before he became an MVP (that's how he became one).

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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