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  #1  
Old August 27th 18, 01:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA
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Old August 27th 18, 02:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA


I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and
connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could:

Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in
the windows...inf directory?
Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it
installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories,
plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories,
plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that
goes to one of the files I'll be deleting,

Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that
file?

plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the
XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a
problem??

  #3  
Old August 27th 18, 07:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA


I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and
connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could:

Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in
the windows...inf directory?
Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it
installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories,
plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories,
plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that
goes to one of the files I'll be deleting,

Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that
file?

plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the
XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a
problem??


Using your Macrium CD, make a backup of the WinXP C: partition
as it now stands. You can do both backups and restores of the
entire C: partition, from the emergency CD. No OS need be functional
to make a backup, with the Macrium Reflect Free CD.

*******

Next, consider that Windows has things like F8 Safe Mode
as well as rstrui.exe (System Restore using restore points).
If you restore a Restore Point while in Safe Mode, there
is no Undo. If you restore using a Restore Point when the
OS is fully operational, there is supposed to be an Undo
for that.

Restore points usually have some sort of description, and it's
possible when you ran the Win10 software, that the
description for the Restore Point mentions the name or brand
of what was used.

You can also shut off Restore Points in WinXP. Possibly via the
System control panel. When shut off, installing a program
would cause no Restore Point to be made, and then there's no copy
of the Registry available as a benefit of using the Restore
Point later.

Summary: I hope you had Restore Points configured...

*******

Another capability WinXP has got, is "Last Known Good"
from Safe Mode (F8). But as far as I know, that's purely
for Registry problems, and for a subset of the Registry.
The "CurrentControlSet" has two other copies appropriately
labeled, which can be called into action if there is trouble.
I don't really think that's going to help you right now.
I'm betting on a Restore Point instead.

https://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=5836

Paul
  #4  
Old August 27th 18, 06:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
mike[_10_]
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote:
I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,


Normally, "software" does not require "drivers".
Hardware requires drivers.

So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install?

I've had some success booting the Hirens CD and deleting offending
programs. That probably won't work if the display driver is what's borked.

There are programs that claim to be able to edit the registry
on a different system. I've never made any of them to work.
Can't recall any specifics.

Apparently, it is possible to edit a file and make the system
restart in oobe mode and redetect hardware like sysprep would do.
Can't find any reference to that in the archives either.

Someone else may know.

But disclosing your EXACT situation might be helpful.


so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA


  #5  
Old August 28th 18, 04:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:


Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.


I had forgotten a lot. I don't know where it ask Y or N, but with Safe
Mode with Networking, it at least displays a line for every item it
loads. Only those that load successfully right, so the problem is
(usually?) in the next line????

Here is part of ntbtlog.txt


Loaded driver aswVmm.sys
Loaded driver sisagp.sys
Loaded driver viaagp.sys
Loaded driver Mup.sys
Loaded driver aswbunivx.sys
Loaded driver aswblogx.sys
Loaded driver aswbidshx.sys
Loaded driver alim1541.sys
Loaded driver amdagp.sys
Loaded driver agp440.sys
Loaded driver agpCPQ.sys ====== This is the last file displayed.
Did not load driver ACPI Multiprocessor PC ========= From here on
down, no show
Did not load driver Audio Codecs
Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers
Did not load driver Media Control Devices
Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices
Did not load driver Video Codecs
Did not load driver WAN Miniport (L2TP)
Did not load driver WAN Miniport (IP)
Did not load driver WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
Did not load driver WAN Miniport (PPTP)
......
followed by loads of "did not load" and towards the end, a few
successes.

So what about ACPI Multipprocessor PC would be harder to load than the
other things.

At any rate, Sunday night after the problem started I tried to start,
with almost every option listed, and I waited 4 or 5 minutes while the
screen was dark every time.

Then today Iused Hirens to look at various things and copy my data files
off of it, and then I realized that starting in Safe mode doesn't ask Y
or N in XP but it does display the liast above, stopping in my case at
agpCPQ.sys. So while I was typing up an article to post in this
thread, I ended up waiting not just 5 minutes but about 10 minutes, and
by golly windows started.

It ran very slow though, lots of things.

But I restarted Windows and it only took a minute to start, and ran at
normal speed once it was started.

I don't understand any of this. Does something happen the first time
something is loaded?

I'll continue this tomorrow.

  #6  
Old August 28th 18, 04:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:57:01
-0700, mike wrote:

On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote:
I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,


Normally, "software" does not require "drivers".
Hardware requires drivers.


Aha. Yes. There is software and a cable to connect the laptop to the
car.

So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install?


Toyota Techstream knockoff. I'm somewhat embarrassed by this, but to
pay full price would be iirc $500 to 700 for the cable and 1500 a year
for a subscription. I haven't looked at the prices for a year, but
that's about what it costs. I otoh have some knockoff.

I've had some success booting the Hirens CD and deleting offending
programs. That probably won't work if the display driver is what's borked.


As I say in the other post, it wasn't the display driver and indeed,
after waiting 10 minutes or more, while I was writing one of these posts
and I was going to type up one of the lines on the screen, it ended up
starting.

It seemed to stop at line 79 of what became the bootlog. Out of 2066
lines total.

"79 Did not load driver ACPI Multiprocessor PC"

I haven't quite finished installation, however, so I don't know if it
works.

There are programs that claim to be able to edit the registry
on a different system. I've never made any of them to work.
Can't recall any specifics.

Apparently, it is possible to edit a file and make the system
restart in oobe mode and redetect hardware like sysprep would do.


oobe?

Can't find any reference to that in the archives either.

Someone else may know.

But disclosing your EXACT situation might be helpful.


so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA


  #7  
Old August 28th 18, 11:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

mike wrote:
On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote:
I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,


Normally, "software" does not require "drivers".
Hardware requires drivers.

So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install?


The software he's using, comes with an FTDI RS232 driver.
The inside of the USB dongle, uses a USB to RS232 type
chip to talk to a SOC on the dongle. The driver doesn't
know about the SOC. The driver thinks the thing is
a serial port. Higher level software communicates
to that serial port, and parses commands from/to the SOC.

And obviously, installing a serial port driver should
not have tipped the computer over. Something else inside
the software download, did.

Paul
  #8  
Old August 28th 18, 07:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 27 Aug 2018 02:57:20
-0400, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.

TIA


I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and
connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could:

Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in
the windows...inf directory?
Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it
installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories,
plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories,
plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that
goes to one of the files I'll be deleting,

Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that
file?

plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the
XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a
problem??


Using your Macrium CD, make a backup of the WinXP C: partition
as it now stands. You can do both backups and restores of the
entire C: partition, from the emergency CD. No OS need be functional
to make a backup, with the Macrium Reflect Free CD.


Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as
soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup.
it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService
7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!!

But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I
tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be
enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that.

BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!!
Installing update 1 of 72 !!!!
I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off
yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd
the upates?


These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new
software run right, right?



7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was
going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this.

**I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a
PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one
even if new.

Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't
that smart.

Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec
part was gone.

Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec
part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded.
Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked.

*******

Next, consider that Windows has things like F8 Safe Mode
as well as rstrui.exe (System Restore using restore points).
If you restore a Restore Point while in Safe Mode, there
is no Undo. If you restore using a Restore Point when the
OS is fully operational, there is supposed to be an Undo
for that.

Restore points usually have some sort of description, and it's
possible when you ran the Win10 software, that the
description for the Restore Point mentions the name or brand
of what was used.

You can also shut off Restore Points in WinXP. Possibly via the
System control panel. When shut off, installing a program
would cause no Restore Point to be made, and then there's no copy
of the Registry available as a benefit of using the Restore
Point later.

Summary: I hope you had Restore Points configured...

*******

Another capability WinXP has got, is "Last Known Good"
from Safe Mode (F8). But as far as I know, that's purely
for Registry problems, and for a subset of the Registry.
The "CurrentControlSet" has two other copies appropriately
labeled, which can be called into action if there is trouble.
I don't really think that's going to help you right now.
I'm betting on a Restore Point instead.

https://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=5836

Paul


  #9  
Old August 28th 18, 07:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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micky wrote:


Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as
soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup.
it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService
7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!!

But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I
tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be
enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that.


I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option
to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time
(for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the
BIOS and turn something like that on ?


BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!!
Installing update 1 of 72 !!!!
I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off
yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd
the upates?


These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new
software run right, right?


Normally, most of the security updates are selected,
while the optional updates are unticked. That means
you're getting security ones.

You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry
entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options
keeps the automation switched off.

7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was
going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this.


It could take a while.


**I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a
PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one
even if new.

Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't
that smart.

Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec
part was gone.

Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec
part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded.
Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked.


When you do your first backup, you can select that partition
too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive
failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then
put the PQService on the new drive.

Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can
make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD)
For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you
burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets.

If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe
you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such
DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma.

Paul
  #10  
Old August 28th 18, 11:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Shadow
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:27:23 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 27/08/2018 01:16, micky wrote:

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?


Did you tell them that you are an idiot with a very small brain?


No, that would be you for not understanding the problem. The
OP apparently installed Win 10 software on his PC. Of course , Win 10
is a dumb terminal specialized in datamining and profiling, so it
messed up his REAL OS.
I suggest he reinstall, if a system restore won't work.
[]'s
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  #11  
Old August 29th 18, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:34:32
-0400, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:


Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as
soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup.
it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService
7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!!

But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I
tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be
enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that.


I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option
to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time
(for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the
BIOS and turn something like that on ?


I don't even know if it's true or not. I shut down windows some time
before I wrote that, about 2PM my time


BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!!
Installing update 1 of 72 !!!!


And now it's 7PM my time and it's instalilng update 57, after 5 hours.

I hope this doesn't screw things up!

Can I stop it in the middle, despite the mesage that says not to turn it
off?

I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off
yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd
the upates?


These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new
software run right, right?


Normally, most of the security updates are selected,
while the optional updates are unticked. That means
you're getting security ones.


There was no ticking invovled. No list, no explanation, no optional.
It just says "installing update 1 of 72 .."

Once, for 7, iirc, an update caused a problem so I found the update in
the windows directory and undid it. That worked. I hope I don't have
to undo 72 updates. ;-)

You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry
entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options
keeps the automation switched off.

7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was
going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this.


It could take a while.


**I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a
PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one
even if new.

Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't
that smart.

Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec
part was gone.

Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec
part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded.
Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked.


When you do your first backup, you can select that partition
too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive
failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then
put the PQService on the new drive.

Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can
make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD)
For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you
burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets.

If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe
you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such
DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma.

Paul


  #12  
Old August 29th 18, 07:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:06:03
-0400, micky wrote:

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:34:32
-0400, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:


Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as
soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup.
it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService
7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!!

But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I
tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be
enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that.


I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option
to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time
(for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the
BIOS and turn something like that on ?


I don't even know if it's true or not. I shut down windows some time
before I wrote that, about 2PM my time


BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!!
Installing update 1 of 72 !!!!


And now it's 7PM my time and it's instalilng update 57, after 5 hours.


Well, it took more than 6.5 hours. I wanted to wait but by 8:30 I was
hungry so I left when it was on update 70, and when I got back, it was
done.

It took 8 minutes to start, which is not bad. Especially since I think
it has to run one or more virus checking programs. I don't know
because being XP, it doesn't say what the updates are.

Starting the next time took about 1 minute.

Since I've found that 5 minutes waiting is not enough because it took
10, that means I really have to wait 20 to be sure. And it could take
longer than 10, and longer than 20, so I think I have to wait 30 to be
sure.




BTW, I went into the bios and there was a line Enable D2D Recovery.
And it was enabled, but I disabled it and later I'll re-enable it and
see if that makes a difference. But I read about it and it puts
everything back the way it was sold, including deleting all the data.
While I made a list of all the data on that computer that's not on
others, and all the programs installed, there are still other settings
scattered throughout that I haven't saved and dont' remember where they
are to be set. Doing a complete reset is my last ditch option, after
trying to find a problem and fixing it.

One thing I could do with the recovery partition is, if I find files
that are missing or I'm not sure of (not that this will happen, but
theoretically), I can unhide the recovery partition and copy files from
it to the C: partition.

I hope this doesn't screw things up!

Can I stop it in the middle, despite the mesage that says not to turn it
off?

I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off
yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd
the upates?


These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new
software run right, right?


Normally, most of the security updates are selected,
while the optional updates are unticked. That means
you're getting security ones.


There was no ticking invovled. No list, no explanation, no optional.
It just says "installing update 1 of 72 .."

Once, for 7, iirc, an update caused a problem so I found the update in
the windows directory and undid it. That worked. I hope I don't have
to undo 72 updates. ;-)

You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry
entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options
keeps the automation switched off.


It notifies me and I have to say when. Didn't require going to the
registry.

7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was
going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this.


It could take a while.


**I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a
PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one
even if new.

Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't
that smart.

Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec
part was gone.

Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec
part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded.
Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked.


When you do your first backup, you can select that partition
too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive
failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then
put the PQService on the new drive.


Good, and good.

Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can
make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD)
For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you
burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets.

If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe
you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such
DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma.

Paul


  #13  
Old August 29th 18, 03:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Posts: 1,528
Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.


Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I
figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines.

System.ini and win.ini.

Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this
left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree?

I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and
run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all
of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**)

win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll
sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll
timer.drv

I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but
there are only 3.

Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines.
Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded?

So far, it can't find msconfig.




BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS:
**I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I
took 18 months ago.

So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the

Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing
Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes.
Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't
delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I
sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my
home-computer outbox now.
I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done
with that.

I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens.

Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file
manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think,
without some extra effort.


  #14  
Old August 29th 18, 04:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.


Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I
figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines.

System.ini and win.ini.

Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this
left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree?

I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and
run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all
of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**)

win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll
sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll
timer.drv

I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but
there are only 3.

Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines.
Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded?

So far, it can't find msconfig.




BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS:
**I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I
took 18 months ago.

So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the

Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing
Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes.
Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't
delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I
sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my
home-computer outbox now.
I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done
with that.

I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens.

Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file
manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think,
without some extra effort.


Here are three OSes and their root level files.
No system.ini or win.ini in these three.

https://s33.postimg.cc/w3hoa2oq7/INI_FILE_SAMPLER.gif

Would you be looking at the root of Hirens by chance ?

INI files are just text files, and if some INI format
accepts #include directive, the files could be loaded
by some other file.

Paul
  #15  
Old August 29th 18, 11:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
John Dulak[_2_]
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Posts: 61
Default win10 software keeps XP from starting.

On 8/29/2018 10:45 AM, micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, wrote:

I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.

I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find
drivers,

so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at
the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked
if I wanted to restart.

Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have
warned me that it doesn't work in XP?

Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen.

Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging
mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther.

I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to
each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can
uninstall the software? But I don't remember how.


Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I
figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines.

System.ini and win.ini.

Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this
left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree?

I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and
run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all
of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**)

win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll
sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll
timer.drv

I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but
there are only 3.

Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines.
Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded?

So far, it can't find msconfig.




BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS:
**I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I
took 18 months ago.

So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the

Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing
Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes.
Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't
delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I
sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my
home-computer outbox now.
I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done
with that.

I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens.

Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file
manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think,
without some extra effort.


Micky:

Some things are started from registry entries.

the seven run keys in the registry that are used to start
programs:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServices

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServicesOnce

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce\Setup

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\RunOnce

You can use REGEDIT to remove un wanted registery entries.

CAUTION Mucking about with the registery is inherently dangerous!! If you

don't know what you are doing you can "FUBAR" a system to the point of needing
to reinstall Windows.

John

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