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Old May 5th 17, 03:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Goes Away And Desktop Will NOT Refresh

Left Win 10 laptop up and running security cam sw.
Cam back next day and everything was so sluggish.
Started Process Explorer and it took ages to appear; 30 secs or more.
Then started TCPView and it too took way to long to appear.
Did not see anything unusual in either after they started.
And then Win 10 started behaving more quickly except ...
Typing now and the keyboard becomes unresponsive for 15 seconds then
repeats. Apps freeze so cannot be moved, etc. What crap !

Desktop icons are all blank when I sat down first thing !
Did right-click Refresh many times and the icons are still blank.

What crap.
I never have any of these problems on Win XP Pro or Win 7 Pro.
I run the same and much more applications on Win XP Pro and Win 7 Pro
than here on Win 10. Win10 is just plain junk ! Worse than Vista.
Fortunately when I bought PCs with Vista they had Win XP Pro drivers
available so I installed WIn XP pro instead of Vista.

This is a Toshiba c55t-c5383 laptop.
Updates are all done.
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Old May 5th 17, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_7_]
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Default Goes Away And Desktop Will NOT Refresh

On 05/05/2017 10:37 AM, W10Hater wrote:
Left Win 10 laptop up and running security cam sw.
Cam back next day and everything was so sluggish.
Started Process Explorer and it took ages to appear; 30 secs or more.
Then started TCPView and it too took way to long to appear.
Did not see anything unusual in either after they started.
And then Win 10 started behaving more quickly except ...
Typing now and the keyboard becomes unresponsive for 15 seconds then
repeats. Apps freeze so cannot be moved, etc. What crap !

Desktop icons are all blank when I sat down first thing !
Did right-click Refresh many times and the icons are still blank.

What crap.
I never have any of these problems on Win XP Pro or Win 7 Pro.
I run the same and much more applications on Win XP Pro and Win 7 Pro
than here on Win 10. Win10 is just plain junk ! Worse than Vista.
Fortunately when I bought PCs with Vista they had Win XP Pro drivers
available so I installed WIn XP pro instead of Vista.

This is a Toshiba c55t-c5383 laptop.
Updates are all done.

Glad you're having so much fun!
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Old May 5th 17, 03:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Goes Away And Desktop Will NOT Refresh

Sorry I cannot hear you, I am having to reboooooooooot.

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Old May 5th 17, 04:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Goes Away And Desktop Will NOT Refresh

W10Hater wrote:
Left Win 10 laptop up and running security cam sw.
Cam back next day and everything was so sluggish.
Started Process Explorer and it took ages to appear; 30 secs or more.
Then started TCPView and it too took way to long to appear.
Did not see anything unusual in either after they started.
And then Win 10 started behaving more quickly except ...
Typing now and the keyboard becomes unresponsive for 15 seconds then
repeats. Apps freeze so cannot be moved, etc. What crap !

Desktop icons are all blank when I sat down first thing !
Did right-click Refresh many times and the icons are still blank.

What crap.
I never have any of these problems on Win XP Pro or Win 7 Pro.
I run the same and much more applications on Win XP Pro and Win 7 Pro
than here on Win 10. Win10 is just plain junk ! Worse than Vista.
Fortunately when I bought PCs with Vista they had Win XP Pro drivers
available so I installed WIn XP pro instead of Vista.

This is a Toshiba c55t-c5383 laptop.
Updates are all done.


2C 4T Core i3 (5th Gen) 5005U / 2 GHz. 15 watts.
HD Graphics 5500 = 24EU, the middle graphics option on an Intel CPU

It's possible your video cam software is running a decoder, to decode
the MPEG, and that's sucking down the CPU cycles. Leaving little
for the rest of the OS. As an experiment, you can enter Task Manager,
look at the processes, and adjust the "Affinity": of the video cam
viewer. And adjust it so it can only run on *one* core.

(You might be able to see the "Set Affinity", in Task Manager "Processes")

https://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/201...ig_C_11-11.png

Then see if the machine behaves better.

Note that some of the CPUs have a built-in hardware video
decoder. If the maker of the video camera is savvy about
writing software, sometimes they can harness the dedicated
video decoder in your CPU, and the drain on the rest
of the CPU is "practically zero".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct...o_Acceleration

Note that, if in Device Manager, it says "Basic Display Adapter",
that may cause your application software to be unable
to get to any DXVA acceleration features in hardware. If
Windows 10 does not have a driver for your video, then
that's a reason to go back to an older OS. If the
machine came from the manufacturer with Windows 10,
then, the video should really have a proper Intel driver.

But the software you use, has to be written to call DXVA.
If the software is old and crusty, they might not have
such alternatives coded up. The oldest acceleration type,
was IDCT (inverse discrete cosine transform), used for
frequency domain video compression techniques, and while
hardware support for that helps a tiny bit, it's not
nearly as effective as the dedicated hardware decoder
block that does the *entire* video decode.

*******

And I could see some of your symptoms today, on my
single core 2GHz laptop. When I was running Macrium on
Win10, doing a backup, I couldn't switch to anything else,
and even had trouble getting Task Manager to respond. Since
the Search Indexer is disabled on the laptop (for performance),
I was seeing a lot of "Working on it" and "Green Bar Nirvana",
which got quite tiring. The laptop uses an SSD, so the
hardware for storage is pretty good. Once my backup was complete,
the machine started responding just a little bit better.
And I wouldn't have the green bar, if I switched the
Indexer back on again. I was even getting what looked
like "permissions fixing" on my own fricken home
directory :-) Fun stuff. The minimum number of
cores for Win10, should really be 2C.

Paul
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Old May 5th 17, 05:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Goes Away And Desktop Will NOT Refresh

W10Hater wrote:
Left Win 10 laptop up and running security cam sw.
Cam back next day and everything was so sluggish.
Started Process Explorer and it took ages to appear; 30 secs or more.
Then started TCPView and it too took way to long to appear.
Did not see anything unusual in either after they started.
And then Win 10 started behaving more quickly except ...
Typing now and the keyboard becomes unresponsive for 15 seconds then
repeats. Apps freeze so cannot be moved, etc. What crap !

Desktop icons are all blank when I sat down first thing !
Did right-click Refresh many times and the icons are still blank.

What crap.
I never have any of these problems on Win XP Pro or Win 7 Pro.
I run the same and much more applications on Win XP Pro and Win 7 Pro
than here on Win 10. Win10 is just plain junk ! Worse than Vista.
Fortunately when I bought PCs with Vista they had Win XP Pro drivers
available so I installed WIn XP pro instead of Vista.

This is a Toshiba c55t-c5383 laptop.
Updates are all done.


Another thing you can try, is see if you can use VLC
to view the output of the camera. VLC has access to
hardware assisted H264 decoding. This is a "bare minimal"
implementation, as described here in 2013. It might be
better now.

https://www.ghacks.net/2013/03/05/ho...coding-in-vlc/

VLC accepts various kinds of URIs, so it may be possible
to craft the right kind of URL to make VLC "see" your
camera. You can embed username and password into a URI,
and even manage to complete the security interface to
the camera, using the technique.

This is just an idea to reduce the CPU usage for
the camera.

*******

Another thing you can look into, is disabling of "frame serving",
a useless function Microsoft added in 14393 Anniversary Edition.

# Any OS

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform
EnableFrameServerMode DWORD 0

# In addition, 32-bit apps on x64 OS

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\ Windows Media Foundation\Platform
EnableFrameServerMode DWORD 0

You can read more about it here. It's also possible
the advice is out of date now, and the MS software
could have been redesigned since this was written.

https://www.howtogeek.com/267946/how...on-windows-10/

https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content...Windows-10.zip

Paul
 




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