Windows 10 - installation size

At the moment I'm running W7 HP x64 SP1 and I'm thinking about upgrading
(?) to W10, using the Windows 10 installation media. (My W7 key should
work, yes?)

W7 is installed on a 120 GB SSD (111 GiB). Used space: 54,5 GiB, free
space: 57,1 GiB. This is W7 with all the other software I have
installed.

I'm curious: will the SSD be big enough for W10 /and/ all of the other
programs? I'm thinking it will be pretty tight. How big is a "fresh"
(without other software) install of W10?

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s|b

On 11/25/2019 1:46 PM, s|b wrote:
At the moment I'm running W7 HP x64 SP1 and I'm thinking about upgrading
(?) to W10, using the Windows 10 installation media. (My W7 key should
work, yes?)

W7 is installed on a 120 GB SSD (111 GiB). Used space: 54,5 GiB, free
space: 57,1 GiB. This is W7 with all the other software I have
installed.

I'm curious: will the SSD be big enough for W10 /and/ all of the other
programs? I'm thinking it will be pretty tight. How big is a "fresh"
(without other software) install of W10?


My C: drive is a 1TB SSD. Almost half of it is used and 225GB of that is
used for \Windows

How much space *you* need depends on you and what you have installed.
But as far as I'm concerned, 120GB is marginal for most people; even if
it's enough for you today, it probably won't be enough tomorrow. I
wouldn't recommend less than 250GB. A 250GB drive doesn't cost much more
than a 120.

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Ken

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:46:00 +0100, "s|b" wrote:

At the moment I'm running W7 HP x64 SP1 and I'm thinking about upgrading
(?) to W10, using the Windows 10 installation media. (My W7 key should
work, yes?)

I expect so.

W7 is installed on a 120 GB SSD (111 GiB). Used space: 54,5 GiB, free
space: 57,1 GiB. This is W7 with all the other software I have
installed.

I'm curious: will the SSD be big enough for W10 /and/ all of the other
programs? I'm thinking it will be pretty tight. How big is a "fresh"
(without other software) install of W10?

I just checked 3 Windows 10 VMs that have been mostly untouched since I
spun them up. Each of them is currently using between 15GB and 16GB. That's
just a starting point, of course. Much will depend on what you do after
that.

"s|b" wrote in message
...
At the moment I'm running W7 HP x64 SP1 and I'm thinking about upgrading
(?) to W10, using the Windows 10 installation media. (My W7 key should
work, yes?)

W7 is installed on a 120 GB SSD (111 GiB). Used space: 54,5 GiB, free
space: 57,1 GiB. This is W7 with all the other software I have
installed.

I'm curious: will the SSD be big enough for W10 /and/ all of the other
programs? I'm thinking it will be pretty tight. How big is a "fresh"
(without other software) install of W10?


Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.

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Regards
wasbit

"s|b" wrote in message ...

At the moment I'm running W7 HP x64 SP1 and I'm thinking about upgrading
(?) to W10, using the Windows 10 installation media. (My W7 key should
work, yes?)

W7 is installed on a 120 GB SSD (111 GiB). Used space: 54,5 GiB, free
space: 57,1 GiB. This is W7 with all the other software I have
installed.

I'm curious: will the SSD be big enough for W10 /and/ all of the other
programs? I'm thinking it will be pretty tight. How big is a "fresh"
(without other software) install of W10?

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s|b
using 225GB SSD drive..
82.3 GB used for W10 64bit with Programs
Games are on seperate SSD drive

peter

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:26:59 -0700, pk121 wrote:

using 225GB SSD drive..
82.3 GB used for W10 64bit with Programs
Games are on seperate SSD drive

That's doable. I don't have any games on my PC.

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s|b

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:21:19 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

How much space *you* need depends on you and what you have installed.
But as far as I'm concerned, 120GB is marginal for most people; even if
it's enough for you today, it probably won't be enough tomorrow. I
wouldn't recommend less than 250GB. A 250GB drive doesn't cost much more
than a 120.

I just checked:

Kingston A400 - Interne SSD - 240 GB

costs about 39 euro. In 2012, I paid almost 170 euro for that 120 GB
SSD. So that's not an obstacle.

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s|b

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:09:48 -0000, wasbit wrote:

Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.

Which brings me to: is that enough free space for Windows to work
properly? I don't want a drive that's all clogged up.

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s|b

On 11/26/2019 1:02 PM, s|b wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:09:48 -0000, wasbit wrote:

Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.

Which brings me to: is that enough free space for Windows to work
properly? I don't want a drive that's all clogged up.


I'll repeat what I said earlier: even if it's enough for you today, it
probably won't be enough tomorrow. We almost all install install more
and more stuff as time goes on.



--
Ken

s|b wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:09:48 -0000, wasbit wrote:

Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.

Which brings me to: is that enough free space for Windows to work
properly? I don't want a drive that's all clogged up.


Windows 10 tablets ship with 32GB eMMC storage chips.

Therefore, "that's enough space" - to quote Bill Gates
"nobody will need more than 32GB" :-)

One of the reasons 32GB works, is the RAM on tablets is
relatively small, so the Hiberfil.sys doesn't need to be
very big. On my Test Machine, the hiberfile is bigger,
and for a "totally carefree install" the desired size
in that case is 85GB. It doesn't really need all that
space, but if I provide that much, it stops whining.

And of course people have machines larger than mine,
and if you have $40,000 worth of RAM in the computer,
then yes, it's going to whine about not being able
to make a hiberfile.

It didn't always do that. Of the five or six versions
so far, of Windows 10, some of the installers were
very crafty. They would switch off hiberfile if
there wasn't room. They could make the pagefile
smaller. They would engineer the install, so 3GB
was left over.

But as of the 1909 installer, it seems they must have
laid off the clever person, and used a highschool
student for the latest installer. Because I got
a whiny message during an install, that I would not
normally see.

Salt to taste.

Paul

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:02:23 +0100, "s|b" wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:09:48 -0000, wasbit wrote:

Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.

Which brings me to: is that enough free space for Windows to work
properly? I don't want a drive that's all clogged up.

Is there enough free space/memory to enable W10 to be installed?

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Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:02:23 +0100, "s|b" wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:09:48 -0000, wasbit wrote:

Microsoft say,
16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS
-
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...m-requirements

So after reinstalling all your programmes you should still have about 50GB
of space.
Which brings me to: is that enough free space for Windows to work
properly? I don't want a drive that's all clogged up.

Is there enough free space/memory to enable W10 to be installed?


Yes (*for some values of Yes).

In Windows 7, you can try in an Administrator Command Prompt

powercfg /h off

before you begin, and that will cement the deal. Later,
after cleanup and so on, you can run

powercfg /h on

and switch hibernation capability back on.

For a machine with 1GB to 4GB worth of system RAM, it isn't
even worth bothering with commands like that. Such
commands are for machines with "a lot of RAM". Such
a command would be absolutely required for your
Epyc or Rome system containing $40,000 worth of RAM.
The hiberfil.sys would be potentially huge, and could
exceed the size of a puny SSD. Of course, if you can
afford $40,000 worth of RAM, you can also afford a
$1000 SSD to go with it :-) Problem solved.

Paul

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:54:41 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote:

Is there enough free space/memory to enable W10 to be installed?

This is what I'm working with at the moment:

Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1, AMD A8-3870K Black Edition Quad-Core APU,
8 GiB DDR3 RAM, Page File: 7,98 GiB, NTFS, Video adapter: ASUS Radeon HD
5450 (512MiB GDDR3), Screen: LCD 1920x1080x60Hz

+ 111GiB INTEL SSDSC2CW120A ATA Device (SSD)
+ 465 GiB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKX-001CA0 ATA Device (SATA)

The SSD is only used for Windows and othere software. Data is stored on
the SATA.

s|b wrote:
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:54:41 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote:

Is there enough free space/memory to enable W10 to be installed?

This is what I'm working with at the moment:

Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1, AMD A8-3870K Black Edition Quad-Core APU,
8 GiB DDR3 RAM, Page File: 7,98 GiB, NTFS, Video adapter: ASUS Radeon HD
5450 (512MiB GDDR3), Screen: LCD 1920x1080x60Hz

+ 111GiB INTEL SSDSC2CW120A ATA Device (SSD)
+ 465 GiB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKX-001CA0 ATA Device (SATA)

The SSD is only used for Windows and othere software. Data is stored on
the SATA.

If you had to, you could drop the pagefile to 1GB,
and switch the Hiberfile off.

But I still think you have enough room without
those steps.

The Win10 disc should not prevent you from using
your HD5450. I had an HD6450 in the other computer,
and there was at least one Crimson driver for it,
which I have been using with all the Win10 versions.
If, on the other hand, a Windows Update Upgrade came in,
you might see a warning there was "no driver" for it,
which is wrong. It depends on whether that Crimson
driver, included both the 6450 and the 5450, as to whether
it would work or not.

Strictly speaking the 5450 and 6450 are out of support,
and were out of support some time ago. But you may still
get something to work there.

I would likely be more out-of-luck with the FX5200
as a candidate. I did manage to do an install with that
though, running the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter
at 1024x768. Which doesn't look particularly good
on my monitors :-) Circles aren't circles when you do that.

But now is the time to be doing this experiment.
Roll back if it doesn't pan out, or restore from
backup, your choice.

Paul

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:42:37 -0500, Paul wrote:

If you had to, you could drop the pagefile to 1GB,
and switch the Hiberfile off.

I turn that off by default.

But I still think you have enough room without
those steps.

That's positive.

The Win10 disc should not prevent you from using
your HD5450.

To be honest, I didn't give it much thought whether my hardware would be
supported or not.

Strictly speaking the 5450 and 6450 are out of support,
and were out of support some time ago. But you may still
get something to work there.

Can't I run a "live" DVD/USB flash drive to see if the hardware is
supported?

But now is the time to be doing this experiment.
Roll back if it doesn't pan out, or restore from
backup, your choice.

I have several (Macrium) images I could restore if it doesn't work. The
thing that puts me off is all the work. Not looking forward to it...

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s|b