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Old April 15th 18, 01:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On 4/14/2018 7:49 AM, Freeple wrote:
I tried that ProcMon but it did not work.

All, I am asking in the Win XP area since I need one of these boot
monitors for WIn XP Pro.


I'd take a look at bootvis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BootVis

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/bootvis.html

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Old April 17th 18, 10:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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BootVis does not work with my Win XP pro.


I think my rev is later than the one stated as working with the BootVis
I downloaded.

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Old April 18th 18, 03:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Freeple wrote:

BootVis does not work with my Win XP pro.


I think my rev is later than the one stated as working with the BootVis
I downloaded.


I was worried about this initially too, but when
I tried BootVis on my WinXP SP3 system (installed
from disc as SP3), BootVis worked, and I was quite
impressed with the results.

Microsoft has made many over-the-top whizzy alternatives
since then, but those tools were only intended to
further the resume of the guy who wrote them. BootVis
was at least a little focused on an actual question
people might have.

BootVis is probably using ETW events like Process Monitor
from Sysinternals would. Does Process Monitor at least
create a trace when you run it ? As that would prove your
ETW was working.

And Process Monitor, the mechanism used, shows us at least
one failure mechanism. Process Monitor, if it's asked to
do a boto trace, places a procmon23.dll type file, with
an attribute of "hidden", in the system folder. And for
some reason, that method isn't entirely reliable. It's
almost like the file isn't getting loaded at boot time
or something. BootVis must have a mechanism of its own -
and the number of mechanisms available (to start at
trace at T=0) is limited. If you want a trace to start
really early, hooking a Start folder wouldn't be sufficient.
Maybe Googling on BootVis and checking what mechanism
is uses at T=0, would explain why it doesn't work.

I haven't been able to figure out why the ProcMon23 thing
doesn't work. No idea. And turning on boot logging here,
has never shown any useful information about issues like that.

Paul
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Old April 18th 18, 03:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Freeple
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Will try ProcMon later today but from the help:

Note: network events, which are based on ETW (Event Tracing for
Windows), are not available in boot logs.


Mine is: Procmon.exe 2,510,526 2014-03-06 23:53 v3.10

You say ProcMon23.exe. Where do I get that ?

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Old April 18th 18, 04:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Freeple wrote:

Will try ProcMon later today but from the help:

Note: network events, which are based on ETW (Event Tracing for
Windows), are not available in boot logs.


Mine is: Procmon.exe 2,510,526 2014-03-06 23:53 v3.10

You say ProcMon23.exe. Where do I get that ?


That's a DLL that procmon.exe leaves behind in the system
folder. And it only happens in ProcMon if you select boot logging.

Paul
 




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