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Old July 7th 15, 10:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gary Stevens
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Default Why they give windows 10

Why they give Windows 10 upgrade for free but there is no more Windows 7 for
sale? I would like to have Windows 7 backup just in case I don't feel
confortable with Windows 10. Linux people need Windows 7 Pro to upgrade to
Windows 10 Final Edition and many people like to own the DVD to install
whenever system gets problems. But they don't sell Windows 7 on shops down
here. Can we download Windows 7 from somewhere? Another question I have is
why Office 2016 Professional is so expensive? I think that way MS is losing
money because if Windows 10 is free, Linux users can virtualize Windows 10
and install Office 2016 Trial.

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Old July 8th 15, 12:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gary Stevens
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Ok, never mind only a consideration. I feel we're going to lose everything
if we update our system to windows 10. We lose control and we are forced to
update whenever they want. I feel they can shut down system when we need
most to work on important happenings. Don't be surprised if you have lots of
people moving to Apple.

"Gary Stevens" escreveu na mensagem ...

Why they give Windows 10 upgrade for free but there is no more Windows 7 for
sale? I would like to have Windows 7 backup just in case I don't feel
confortable with Windows 10. Linux people need Windows 7 Pro to upgrade to
Windows 10 Final Edition and many people like to own the DVD to install
whenever system gets problems. But they don't sell Windows 7 on shops down
here. Can we download Windows 7 from somewhere? Another question I have is
why Office 2016 Professional is so expensive? I think that way MS is losing
money because if Windows 10 is free, Linux users can virtualize Windows 10
and install Office 2016 Trial.

  #3  
Old July 8th 15, 12:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gary Stevens
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Default Why they give windows 10

In my case I'm going to ask for social help to stay away from speculation, I
need solid information to go on, not just entertainment and losing time with
fashion systems. We need serious and viable network to keep our files and
communications safe. That's not what I've seen in the last season. Spent
many time believing in a project that left their customers alone and not
happy at all with their business. Thousands of people invested in IT
knowledge and now they are in the street asking for their jobs and citizen
rights to implement what they've learned in the last years. This is we want
our good way of life back. We are not prepared to be jobless. Say no to
pension slavery. We want to be independent and live like they promised us.
We want our future back.

"Gary Stevens" escreveu na mensagem ...

Ok, never mind only a consideration. I feel we're going to lose everything
if we update our system to windows 10. We lose control and we are forced to
update whenever they want. I feel they can shut down system when we need
most to work on important happenings. Don't be surprised if you have lots of
people moving to Apple.

"Gary Stevens" escreveu na mensagem ...

Why they give Windows 10 upgrade for free but there is no more Windows 7 for
sale? I would like to have Windows 7 backup just in case I don't feel
confortable with Windows 10. Linux people need Windows 7 Pro to upgrade to
Windows 10 Final Edition and many people like to own the DVD to install
whenever system gets problems. But they don't sell Windows 7 on shops down
here. Can we download Windows 7 from somewhere? Another question I have is
why Office 2016 Professional is so expensive? I think that way MS is losing
money because if Windows 10 is free, Linux users can virtualize Windows 10
and install Office 2016 Trial.

  #4  
Old July 8th 15, 01:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Why they give windows 10

On 7/7/2015 7:52 PM, Gary Stevens wrote:
In my case I'm going to ask for social help to stay away from
speculation, I need solid information to go on, not just entertainment
and losing time with fashion systems. We need serious and viable network
to keep our files and communications safe. That's not what I've seen in
the last season. Spent many time believing in a project that left their
customers alone and not happy at all with their business. Thousands of
people invested in IT knowledge and now they are in the street asking
for their jobs and citizen rights to implement what they've learned in
the last years. This is we want our good way of life back. We are not
prepared to be jobless. Say no to pension slavery. We want to be
independent and live like they promised us. We want our future back.


Considering that Windows 8.1 is a very useable and stable system when
you boot directly to the desktop, Windows 10 will probably equally stable.

If you are in the US, I can see not conceivable situation where
Microsoft would shut a legal system down.

I have been using Windows 8.1 for over a nearly 2 years now and while I
was ready to toss it before Windows 8 was updated, I find that with
Windows 8.1 there are things that I like better that the old systems.

All of the noise about the Start Menu disappearing is just that noise.
The MS Icon on the left of the Desktop tool bar gives you more access to
your system that the old start menu. Once you clear the New Start menu
of the junk, you will find that it is easier to use than the old
collapsing menu system that has been in Windows since XP. With the new
start menu you can use the mouse wheel to scroll until you find the
program you want.

All the program on your computer, those you use and those you don't are
on the Apps menu accessed by the down arrow on the New Start menu.

I do a lot of research and reports on my computer. What I really like
is the jump menus. These menus are access by right clicking the program
icon on the desktop taskbar. ( I have all of my frequently used
programs on the desktop taskbar. Don't forget to add the File Explore to
the taskbar. ) The jump list contain all of the recently accessed
files. If you have the File Explorer on the desktop taskbar, all of
your frequently used folders are in the taskbar.



  #5  
Old July 8th 15, 02:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gary Stevens
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Default Why they give windows 10

I agree, taskbar is a very useful place to pin most used programs, and you
can run them through a keyboard shortcut, pressing windows key + 1 to 9
digit.

"Keith Nuttle" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 7/7/2015 7:52 PM, Gary Stevens wrote:
In my case I'm going to ask for social help to stay away from
speculation, I need solid information to go on, not just entertainment
and losing time with fashion systems. We need serious and viable network
to keep our files and communications safe. That's not what I've seen in
the last season. Spent many time believing in a project that left their
customers alone and not happy at all with their business. Thousands of
people invested in IT knowledge and now they are in the street asking
for their jobs and citizen rights to implement what they've learned in
the last years. This is we want our good way of life back. We are not
prepared to be jobless. Say no to pension slavery. We want to be
independent and live like they promised us. We want our future back.


Considering that Windows 8.1 is a very useable and stable system when
you boot directly to the desktop, Windows 10 will probably equally stable.

If you are in the US, I can see not conceivable situation where
Microsoft would shut a legal system down.

I have been using Windows 8.1 for over a nearly 2 years now and while I
was ready to toss it before Windows 8 was updated, I find that with
Windows 8.1 there are things that I like better that the old systems.

All of the noise about the Start Menu disappearing is just that noise.
The MS Icon on the left of the Desktop tool bar gives you more access to
your system that the old start menu. Once you clear the New Start menu
of the junk, you will find that it is easier to use than the old
collapsing menu system that has been in Windows since XP. With the new
start menu you can use the mouse wheel to scroll until you find the
program you want.

All the program on your computer, those you use and those you don't are
on the Apps menu accessed by the down arrow on the New Start menu.

I do a lot of research and reports on my computer. What I really like
is the jump menus. These menus are access by right clicking the program
icon on the desktop taskbar. ( I have all of my frequently used
programs on the desktop taskbar. Don't forget to add the File Explore to
the taskbar. ) The jump list contain all of the recently accessed
files. If you have the File Explorer on the desktop taskbar, all of
your frequently used folders are in the taskbar.


  #6  
Old July 8th 15, 04:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why they give windows 10

Gary Stevens wrote:
Why they give Windows 10 upgrade for free but there is no more Windows 7
for sale? I would like to have Windows 7 backup just in case I don't
feel confortable with Windows 10. Linux people need Windows 7 Pro to
upgrade to Windows 10 Final Edition and many people like to own the DVD
to install whenever system gets problems. But they don't sell Windows 7
on shops down here. Can we download Windows 7 from somewhere? Another
question I have is why Office 2016 Professional is so expensive? I think
that way MS is losing money because if Windows 10 is free, Linux users
can virtualize Windows 10 and install Office 2016 Trial.


Retail sales of Windows 7 ended.

Sales of Windows 7 pre-installed on OEM machines continues.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
- Scroll down to the table that gives end of sales dates for specific
Windows operating systems.

Also see this included information below the table.
qp
* Note that when the retail software product reaches its end of sales
date, it can still be purchased through OEMs (the company that made your
PC) until it reaches the end of sales date for PCs with Windows
preinstalled.

** Microsoft will provide one year of notice prior to the end of sale date.
/qp


Fyi...Some inventory of retail full version and OEM Windows 7 media full
version still exists and is available not from Microsoft but via online
retailers. That inventory will eventually disappear as well as pc's
pre-built with Windows 7.



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msft mvp windows experience
  #7  
Old July 10th 15, 04:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Dave Cohen[_2_]
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Default Why they give windows 10

On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:19:14 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/7/2015 7:52 PM, Gary Stevens wrote:
In my case I'm going to ask for social help to stay away from
speculation, I need solid information to go on, not just entertainment
and losing time with fashion systems. We need serious and viable
network to keep our files and communications safe. That's not what I've
seen in the last season. Spent many time believing in a project that
left their customers alone and not happy at all with their business.
Thousands of people invested in IT knowledge and now they are in the
street asking for their jobs and citizen rights to implement what
they've learned in the last years. This is we want our good way of life
back. We are not prepared to be jobless. Say no to pension slavery. We
want to be independent and live like they promised us. We want our
future back.


Considering that Windows 8.1 is a very useable and stable system when
you boot directly to the desktop, Windows 10 will probably equally
stable.

If you are in the US, I can see not conceivable situation where
Microsoft would shut a legal system down.

I have been using Windows 8.1 for over a nearly 2 years now and while I
was ready to toss it before Windows 8 was updated, I find that with
Windows 8.1 there are things that I like better that the old systems.

All of the noise about the Start Menu disappearing is just that noise.
The MS Icon on the left of the Desktop tool bar gives you more access to
your system that the old start menu. Once you clear the New Start menu
of the junk, you will find that it is easier to use than the old
collapsing menu system that has been in Windows since XP. With the new
start menu you can use the mouse wheel to scroll until you find the
program you want.

All the program on your computer, those you use and those you don't are
on the Apps menu accessed by the down arrow on the New Start menu.

I do a lot of research and reports on my computer. What I really like
is the jump menus. These menus are access by right clicking the program
icon on the desktop taskbar. ( I have all of my frequently used
programs on the desktop taskbar. Don't forget to add the File Explore to
the taskbar. ) The jump list contain all of the recently accessed
files. If you have the File Explorer on the desktop taskbar, all of
your frequently used folders are in the taskbar.


And this differs from Windows 7 in what way, since what you describe seems
to work the same way in 7.
  #8  
Old July 11th 15, 03:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Why they give windows 10

On 7/10/2015 11:22 AM, Dave Cohen wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:19:14 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 7/7/2015 7:52 PM, Gary Stevens wrote:
In my case I'm going to ask for social help to stay away from
speculation, I need solid information to go on, not just entertainment
and losing time with fashion systems. We need serious and viable
network to keep our files and communications safe. That's not what I've
seen in the last season. Spent many time believing in a project that
left their customers alone and not happy at all with their business.
Thousands of people invested in IT knowledge and now they are in the
street asking for their jobs and citizen rights to implement what
they've learned in the last years. This is we want our good way of life
back. We are not prepared to be jobless. Say no to pension slavery. We
want to be independent and live like they promised us. We want our
future back.


Considering that Windows 8.1 is a very useable and stable system when
you boot directly to the desktop, Windows 10 will probably equally
stable.

If you are in the US, I can see not conceivable situation where
Microsoft would shut a legal system down.

I have been using Windows 8.1 for over a nearly 2 years now and while I
was ready to toss it before Windows 8 was updated, I find that with
Windows 8.1 there are things that I like better that the old systems.

All of the noise about the Start Menu disappearing is just that noise.
The MS Icon on the left of the Desktop tool bar gives you more access to
your system that the old start menu. Once you clear the New Start menu
of the junk, you will find that it is easier to use than the old
collapsing menu system that has been in Windows since XP. With the new
start menu you can use the mouse wheel to scroll until you find the
program you want.

All the program on your computer, those you use and those you don't are
on the Apps menu accessed by the down arrow on the New Start menu.

I do a lot of research and reports on my computer. What I really like
is the jump menus. These menus are access by right clicking the program
icon on the desktop taskbar. ( I have all of my frequently used
programs on the desktop taskbar. Don't forget to add the File Explore to
the taskbar. ) The jump list contain all of the recently accessed
files. If you have the File Explorer on the desktop taskbar, all of
your frequently used folders are in the taskbar.


And this differs from Windows 7 in what way, since what you describe seems
to work the same way in 7.

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.

(Yes you can by some of the remaining inventory of Widow 7, but it is
dead as far as new production.)
  #9  
Old July 11th 15, 08:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Why they give windows 10

On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:20 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.


FYI, Windows 7 has at least 5 years of support left. That's not at all what
I'd call dead.


  #10  
Old July 11th 15, 01:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Why they give windows 10

On 7/11/2015 3:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:20 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.


FYI, Windows 7 has at least 5 years of support left. That's not at all what
I'd call dead.


OP quote: (Yes you can buy some of the remaining inventory of Widow 7,
but it is dead as far as new production.)
  #11  
Old July 11th 15, 08:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why they give windows 10

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/11/2015 3:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:20 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.


FYI, Windows 7 has at least 5 years of support left. That's not at all
what
I'd call dead.


OP quote: (Yes you can buy some of the remaining inventory of Widow 7,
but it is dead as far as new production.)


Correct. MSFT distribution centers are no longer accepting new orders
from 3rd party retailers for retail FFP product. Any existing inventory
in the distribution chain is to fulfill contractual orders (accounts'
receivable)-which is slim since retail FFP end-of-sales ceased in Oct 2013.

OEM System Builder product for use on pre-installed pc's for sale to
end-users via System Builders and 3rd party retailers should dry up too
- well before the 2020 Win7 EOL support date. Expect the end-of-sales
date for OEM preinstall on pcs to be made public shortly after Win10
GA...thus Win7 OEM availability end of sale date could easily be
somewhere between July 2016-Oct 2016 (consistent with MSFT stated
one-year advance notification).

After that date occurs...only existing inventory will be available in
the 3rd party or OEM System Builder market....though end-users and
System Builder should still be allowed to receive 'replacement' product
directly through MSFT's replacement program.


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msft mvp windows experience
  #12  
Old July 12th 15, 03:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Why they give windows 10

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:29:44 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/11/2015 3:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:20 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.


FYI, Windows 7 has at least 5 years of support left. That's not at all what
I'd call dead.


OP quote: (Yes you can buy some of the remaining inventory of Widow 7,
but it is dead as far as new production.)


Actually, I quoted the part that I was replying to. It was this part:
However since Windows 7 is essentially dead,


Your statement was incorrect, IMHO.

  #13  
Old July 12th 15, 09:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why they give windows 10

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:29:44 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/11/2015 3:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:20 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I am not an expert and do not know the code differences between Windows
7 and Windows 8.1.

However since Windows 7 is essentially dead, people who are forced to
change should be told the truth about using Windows 8.1.

FYI, Windows 7 has at least 5 years of support left. That's not at all what
I'd call dead.


OP quote: (Yes you can buy some of the remaining inventory of Widow 7,
but it is dead as far as new production.)


Actually, I quoted the part that I was replying to. It was this part:
However since Windows 7 is essentially dead,


Your statement was incorrect, IMHO.


Correct.
Win7 use is not dead. Even 2020 EOL doesn't make it 'dead' at that
point in time.

Use though is entirely different than availability for purchase.
Availability [exclusive of remaining inventory or replacement media]
will die before Win7 use (most likely next year - July to Oct 2016)

- imo it would an error in judgement to believe that Win7 will still
be an available media or system for purchase for significant length of
time after Win10's free upgrade period ends.



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msft mvp windows experience
 




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