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  #1  
Old August 23rd 15, 06:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Drew[_8_]
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Default Avira versus Avast

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.

Thanks in advance
Drew.
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Old August 23rd 15, 06:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Alek
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Default Avira versus Avast

Drew wrote on 8/23/2015 1:42 PM:
Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.


I don't think there is an answer. I'm currently running Bitdefender and
I have no complaints. In the past, I've tried AVG, Avast and Avira.
  #3  
Old August 23rd 15, 06:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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Default Avira versus Avast

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:42:16 -0700, Drew wrote:

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.


You're already running both, so you already have all of the information you
need in order to make a reasoned decision. Isn't your own opinion, based on
your personal experiences, much more valuable than someone else's?

  #4  
Old August 23rd 15, 07:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Bruce Hagen[_2_]
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Default Avira versus Avast

"Drew" wrote in message
...
Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am not
really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear answer
on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently running Avast
free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7 machines and Avira
free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself but
occasionally I would like a second opinion.




Choosing an Anti-Virus Program
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/foru...ces/?p=2316629

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Old August 23rd 15, 07:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.spirit
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Default Avira versus Avast

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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:42:16 -0700, Drew Aylen1957 donotspam.net wrote:

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.


You're already running both, so you already have all of the information you
need in order to make a reasoned decision. Isn't your own opinion, based on
your personal experiences, much more valuable than someone else's?




  #6  
Old August 23rd 15, 07:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Default Avira versus Avast

Drew wrote:
Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.

Thanks in advance
Drew.


I use AVG on some machines; Avast on others. Oh, and Windows Defender on
one.
AVG is my favourite. I don't think it's ever let me down. I have to go
back years to the last infection I had. You become used to a certain
product; learn how to use it quickly. I find AVG very unobtrusive.

Avast seems about the same level, but it sometimes nags and pesters. I
installed it some time ago when I felt the need to break old habits.
Win Defender is the lazy option. It's there anyway, so why install a
custom product?

Ed


  #7  
Old August 23rd 15, 07:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Jeff Barnett[_2_]
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Default Avira versus Avast

Drew wrote on 8/23/2015 11:42 AM:
Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.

Thanks in advance
Drew.


I'm using ESET NOD32 on a few computers and have been happy with it for
several years. I'm paying but they might have a free version. I'm paying
because 1) somebody has to if they are to stay in business and 2) I want
to feel "free" to seek help when I need it. I'm also running
MalwareBytes Anti-malware on the same machines. I'm paying for the same
reasons given above.
--
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  #8  
Old August 23rd 15, 07:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Bill[_40_]
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Default Avira versus Avast

In message , Ed Cryer
writes
I use AVG on some machines; Avast on others. Oh, and Windows Defender
on one.
AVG is my favourite. I don't think it's ever let me down. I have to go
back years to the last infection I had. You become used to a certain
product; learn how to use it quickly. I find AVG very unobtrusive.

Avast seems about the same level, but it sometimes nags and pesters. I
installed it some time ago when I felt the need to break old habits.
Win Defender is the lazy option. It's there anyway, so why install a
custom product?

I'm running Avira, Avast and Windows Defender on different machines.
Under Windows 10, I've had error messages that something in Avira has
stopped working (I can't remember the details) but it does seem to still
work. All seem OK on W7.

On one W10 machine I get nags from Defender because I'm running
different AV.

I've not used AVG recently as it annoyed me some time back by
advertising itself too stridently.
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  #9  
Old August 23rd 15, 07:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
s|b
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:42:16 -0700, Drew wrote:

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.


Instead of crossposting why not try alt.comp.anti-virus? It may not look
like it, but there's still some life left in that newsgroup.

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  #10  
Old August 23rd 15, 08:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Avira versus Avast

Drew wrote:

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.


An old problem still not fixed is running any software that looks at a
device's S.M.A.R.T. data would trigger Avira to constantly re-poll
removable devices (floppy, optical drives, USB-attached drives) at
1-minute intervals. While most newer computers no longer include floppy
drives, I build my own and still add a floppy drive (if the mobo has the
header for it). I don't care to have Avira grinding my empty floppy's
drive every minute, nor have it spin up the CD/DVD drive if there
happens to be a disc inserted, or keep awake my USB-attached drives.
The number of users afflicted with this bug was small, Avira could not
reproduce the problem on their hardware test computers, so it never got
addressed. Their solution was wait for a later version. I tried 3
later major versions but the bug was still there (for me). I wasn't
going to keep waiting when there were other free solutions that did not
exhibit the Avira's SMART bug.

Avira also claims to have a web shield but only if you installed the
adware toolbar. If you disable their toolbar then you don't get their
web shield. No thanks. Avast includes a web shield without me having
to waste screen space with a adware toolbar plus I don't need a
redundant searchbar.

However, Avast is definitely adware. They get periodically energized to
spew an advertize campaign. You will see this via popups that you
cannot disable telling you about some component that you should add to
your Avast suite. They are surreptitious about the "upgrade" by not
telling you it requires buying their payware suite to get the advertized
component. For me, having half of their config UI window occcupied with
an ad is more than ample adware functionality. They recognize that most
freeloaders, like me, were not often enough nuisanced with this method
of advertizing because we configure once or a few times and rarely have
to go back to looking at the config UI window. They got more
aggressive. Well, when they pushed ads maybe once per year (but for a
month) then I suffered with that nuisance. Now they have apparently
gone to a repeat advertizing plan that nails you with their nuisance
popups about every couple of months. I must've gotten about a dozen
nuisance adware popups from Avast Free in the last month alone. Instead
of prodding me to buy their product, their nags have me looking at other
security solutions, like BitDefender Free.

While many users don't notice the impact to responsiveness of their web
browsers (how long to download a web page), I and others have noticed
that enabling HTTPS scanning in Avast will slow down delivery of a
secured page. Avast is slowly addressing that issue but their HTTPS
scanning is definitely slower than their HTTP scanning. That's to be
expected because there is more overhead to HTTPS scanning. The
encrypted downstream traffic has to first be decrypted so the AV program
can interrogate its content and then reencrypted for delivery to the
client (web browser). Avast uses a MITM (man-in-the-middle) approach to
hack into the HTTPS traffic by installing their own certificate in your
local certificate store (as part of the install of Avast and over which
you have no control). They use the same hack scheme employed by
companies so they can monitor all encrypted web traffic by the employees
that hit hosts outside their network. Companies will install or push
certs into the local cert store of their workstations so they can do the
MITM attack to look at your encrypted traffic going outside their
network. The slowdown is usually not significant but is noticeable and
measurable. After upgrading to a major version of Avast that added
their HTTPS scan feature which was enabled by default, I was wondering
why web pages were taking longer to deliver. Not for the connection to
the web site but for my web browser to start painting the page.
Disabling Avast make surfing fast again. Enabling Avast but disabling
their HTTPS scan option kept surfing fast. They need to improve their
algorithm or their scan engine's speed on how they hack into and
interrogate HTTPS traffic before I reenable that option.

With Avast turning into nuisancesome adware with popups that I cannot
disable (you "disable" them by buying it), I have a note for when I have
the time to try something else. BitDefender Free is a likely
replacement. While it is not as sophisticated as Avast Free regarding
the number of components available in Avast's suite, I do not install
many components in Avast's suite. Many components are actually
lurewa you cannot use them or they disable after a trial period
unless you buy that component. Some components are superfluous, like
their e-mail (and newsgroups) shield which afford no additional
protection but allow the author to fluff the features in their product.
I don't need a web browser BHO cleanup utility (have other tools for
that). In Avast, I only install their file and web shields. The rest
is junk (superfluous) or lureware.

File shield: installed.
Web shield: installed, HTTPS scan disabled (too slow).
*E-mail shield: superfluous, uses same engine as for on-access scan.
*Grimefighter (renamed to Cleanup): not installed, lureware.
*SecureLine: not installed, lureware.
*Browser cleanup: BHO cleaner, redundant.
*Software Updater: nags about old versions, I'll update when I choose.
*Remote Assistance: so you can have them control your computer at a fee.
Rescue disk: might have some value.
*Browser protection: worthless web reputation ranking (most not ranked).
*Desktop gadget: superfluous widget.
Home network security: quickie check, has minimal value.
Secure Virtual Machines: sandbox but limited use in free edition.

One feature that I very much like in Avast is URL blocking. I can
specify what domains to block. This is included in some firewalls but I
already have it in Avast Free. When Avast dropped URL blocking, I
complained about its loss. The typical user and Avast response was to
get a firewall with URL blocking (which is NOT the same as IP blocking
since a hostname can remain the same but its IP address can change which
is another purpose of DNS). Eventually I replaced the local URL
blocking in Avast with URL blocking available at the DNS server (e.g.,
OpenDNS) but that requires you have an account with them and use their
DNS updater client to update your OpenDNS so they can associate your IP
address to your account to then apply your config there. The free
OpenDNS account only lets you define up to 50 URLs on which to block but
a domain includes all hosts at that domain so, for example, adding
doubleclick.net gets all hosts at Doubleclick (versus the over 50
entries listed in the pre-compiled 'hosts' file to do the same blocking
by hostname). So if I leave Avast because of its ad popups then I lose
local URL blocking but that's becomes a replaceable feature albeit at
the expense of having to install a DNS updater client so server-side DNS
URL blocking is usable. If I move away from Avast (to BitDefender) then
I'll have to change to use OpenDNS as my primary DNS provider and move
my URL blocks to there and install their DNS updater client.

Be aware that AV comparative sites only test the payware versions of
Avira and Avast. It would be nice to have equally comprehensive testing
of Avast Free and Avira Free (both without and with their toolbar) to
have ONLY the free editions compared to each other. I'm sure each
claims that their same engine is used in their free and paid editions
but it's the other features missing in the crippled free versions that
would differentiate those products as which is "better" than the other.
Just because payware Avira is a couple percent higher than payware Avast
does not mean the same is true with the free versions of each.
  #11  
Old August 23rd 15, 08:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Jeff Barnett wrote:

ESET NOD32 ... I'm paying but they might have a free version.


The only free version is their online scanner (which requires
downloading a light client on your computer to run the scan locally but
with definitions retrieved from the server). "Free [to] download",
"free online scan", and "free trial" are not the same as "free product".
  #12  
Old August 23rd 15, 09:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"Drew" wrote in message
...
Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am not
really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear answer
on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently running Avast
free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7 machines and Avira
free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself but
occasionally I would like a second opinion.

Thanks in advance
Drew.


Tough question, I can only answer based on my own use of Avast in Win
7-64bit. For the most part, I don't know it's there. It appears to clean
up what it finds, and doesn't seem to miss anything that I know of. It does
keep flagging chrome for suspicious activity that I haven't yet found an
answer for, though I've only flagged it as a false positive as feedback
through the software and haven't called them.

Not sure what else I can say. I run Avast and Spyhunter together, and
haven't had any issues that I know of because of either one.



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  #13  
Old August 23rd 15, 10:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Default Avira versus Avast

VanguardLH wrote:
Drew wrote:

Yeah I know , This has probably been asked a gazillion times but I am
not really finding the answer I am looking for. I cannot find a clear
answer on which one runs better or is the better product. Currently
running Avast free on this Win 8.1 machine as well as on some win7
machines and Avira free on other win7 machines

Question: Which do you feel runs better on your machine? What others
besides Norton or Mcafee do you run.

I know I am going to hear the response of run them and decide yourself
but occasionally I would like a second opinion.


An old problem still not fixed is running any software that looks at a
device's S.M.A.R.T. data would trigger Avira to constantly re-poll
removable devices (floppy, optical drives, USB-attached drives) at
1-minute intervals. While most newer computers no longer include floppy
drives, I build my own and still add a floppy drive (if the mobo has the
header for it). I don't care to have Avira grinding my empty floppy's
drive every minute, nor have it spin up the CD/DVD drive if there
happens to be a disc inserted, or keep awake my USB-attached drives.
The number of users afflicted with this bug was small, Avira could not
reproduce the problem on their hardware test computers, so it never got
addressed. Their solution was wait for a later version. I tried 3
later major versions but the bug was still there (for me). I wasn't
going to keep waiting when there were other free solutions that did not
exhibit the Avira's SMART bug.

Avira also claims to have a web shield but only if you installed the
adware toolbar. If you disable their toolbar then you don't get their
web shield. No thanks. Avast includes a web shield without me having
to waste screen space with a adware toolbar plus I don't need a
redundant searchbar.

However, Avast is definitely adware. They get periodically energized to
spew an advertize campaign. You will see this via popups that you
cannot disable telling you about some component that you should add to
your Avast suite. They are surreptitious about the "upgrade" by not
telling you it requires buying their payware suite to get the advertized
component. For me, having half of their config UI window occcupied with
an ad is more than ample adware functionality. They recognize that most
freeloaders, like me, were not often enough nuisanced with this method
of advertizing because we configure once or a few times and rarely have
to go back to looking at the config UI window. They got more
aggressive. Well, when they pushed ads maybe once per year (but for a
month) then I suffered with that nuisance. Now they have apparently
gone to a repeat advertizing plan that nails you with their nuisance
popups about every couple of months. I must've gotten about a dozen
nuisance adware popups from Avast Free in the last month alone. Instead
of prodding me to buy their product, their nags have me looking at other
security solutions, like BitDefender Free.

While many users don't notice the impact to responsiveness of their web
browsers (how long to download a web page), I and others have noticed
that enabling HTTPS scanning in Avast will slow down delivery of a
secured page. Avast is slowly addressing that issue but their HTTPS
scanning is definitely slower than their HTTP scanning. That's to be
expected because there is more overhead to HTTPS scanning. The
encrypted downstream traffic has to first be decrypted so the AV program
can interrogate its content and then reencrypted for delivery to the
client (web browser). Avast uses a MITM (man-in-the-middle) approach to
hack into the HTTPS traffic by installing their own certificate in your
local certificate store (as part of the install of Avast and over which
you have no control). They use the same hack scheme employed by
companies so they can monitor all encrypted web traffic by the employees
that hit hosts outside their network. Companies will install or push
certs into the local cert store of their workstations so they can do the
MITM attack to look at your encrypted traffic going outside their
network. The slowdown is usually not significant but is noticeable and
measurable. After upgrading to a major version of Avast that added
their HTTPS scan feature which was enabled by default, I was wondering
why web pages were taking longer to deliver. Not for the connection to
the web site but for my web browser to start painting the page.
Disabling Avast make surfing fast again. Enabling Avast but disabling
their HTTPS scan option kept surfing fast. They need to improve their
algorithm or their scan engine's speed on how they hack into and
interrogate HTTPS traffic before I reenable that option.

With Avast turning into nuisancesome adware with popups that I cannot
disable (you "disable" them by buying it), I have a note for when I have
the time to try something else. BitDefender Free is a likely
replacement. While it is not as sophisticated as Avast Free regarding
the number of components available in Avast's suite, I do not install
many components in Avast's suite. Many components are actually
lurewa you cannot use them or they disable after a trial period
unless you buy that component. Some components are superfluous, like
their e-mail (and newsgroups) shield which afford no additional
protection but allow the author to fluff the features in their product.
I don't need a web browser BHO cleanup utility (have other tools for
that). In Avast, I only install their file and web shields. The rest
is junk (superfluous) or lureware.

File shield: installed.
Web shield: installed, HTTPS scan disabled (too slow).
*E-mail shield: superfluous, uses same engine as for on-access scan.
*Grimefighter (renamed to Cleanup): not installed, lureware.
*SecureLine: not installed, lureware.
*Browser cleanup: BHO cleaner, redundant.
*Software Updater: nags about old versions, I'll update when I choose.
*Remote Assistance: so you can have them control your computer at a fee.
Rescue disk: might have some value.
*Browser protection: worthless web reputation ranking (most not ranked).
*Desktop gadget: superfluous widget.
Home network security: quickie check, has minimal value.
Secure Virtual Machines: sandbox but limited use in free edition.

One feature that I very much like in Avast is URL blocking. I can
specify what domains to block. This is included in some firewalls but I
already have it in Avast Free. When Avast dropped URL blocking, I
complained about its loss. The typical user and Avast response was to
get a firewall with URL blocking (which is NOT the same as IP blocking
since a hostname can remain the same but its IP address can change which
is another purpose of DNS). Eventually I replaced the local URL
blocking in Avast with URL blocking available at the DNS server (e.g.,
OpenDNS) but that requires you have an account with them and use their
DNS updater client to update your OpenDNS so they can associate your IP
address to your account to then apply your config there. The free
OpenDNS account only lets you define up to 50 URLs on which to block but
a domain includes all hosts at that domain so, for example, adding
doubleclick.net gets all hosts at Doubleclick (versus the over 50
entries listed in the pre-compiled 'hosts' file to do the same blocking
by hostname). So if I leave Avast because of its ad popups then I lose
local URL blocking but that's becomes a replaceable feature albeit at
the expense of having to install a DNS updater client so server-side DNS
URL blocking is usable. If I move away from Avast (to BitDefender) then
I'll have to change to use OpenDNS as my primary DNS provider and move
my URL blocks to there and install their DNS updater client.

Be aware that AV comparative sites only test the payware versions of
Avira and Avast. It would be nice to have equally comprehensive testing
of Avast Free and Avira Free (both without and with their toolbar) to
have ONLY the free editions compared to each other. I'm sure each
claims that their same engine is used in their free and paid editions
but it's the other features missing in the crippled free versions that
would differentiate those products as which is "better" than the other.
Just because payware Avira is a couple percent higher than payware Avast
does not mean the same is true with the free versions of each.


I was struck by what you say about floppy drives. I haven't come across
one of them for years and years. And I can't think of a single use I'd
have for one beyond copying data from old floppies prior to throwing
those in the bin.
It's a similar situation with, say, musicassettes.

Ed

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Old August 23rd 15, 10:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
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A persistent troll from the homebuilt PC group...


Hello, idiot. Once again, you've picked a group to which I've never posted.
Back to youtube for you.

Stupid crossposts removed.


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Old August 23rd 15, 10:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Ed Cryer wrote:


I was struck by what you say about floppy drives. I haven't come across
one of them for years and years. And I can't think of a single use I'd
have for one beyond copying data from old floppies prior to throwing
those in the bin.
It's a similar situation with, say, musicassettes.

Ed


They're still necessary to work on older equipment.

Paul
 




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