Warning About Upgrading To Windows 10

Andy wrote:
It actually does make hidden partitions that you cant see.
but deletes them when you get to a certain number of rollback dates.


???

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....winston
msft mvp windows experience

Andy wrote:
It actually does make hidden partitions that you cant see.
but deletes them when you get to a certain number of rollback dates.



No.

An Upgrade install moves C:\Windows to C:\Windows.old.

The cleanmgr will remove C:\Windows.old after it has
been sitting there for 30 days. This is the reason
you cannot go back to Windows 7. Once Windows.old
is removed, you can't go back.

If you do this with two Win10 DVDs...

Win7 -- Win10 10240 DVD -- Win10 10586 DVD

then the Windows.old contains 10240, not Windows 7.

The design does not make a C:\Windows.old.old . It
is not an "infinite" rollback scheme. It only
rolls back one level. It effectively does this
if you want to return to the previous OS.

move C:\Windows.old C:\Windows

The migration logic is a lot more complicated
than that. The Win10 upgrade "damages" your Program Files
folder, puts crap in the Task Scheduler. On a rollback,
this is not corrected.

This is why we recommend backing up Win7 SP1 or Win8.1,
before accepting the free upgrade.

*******

Your Win10 drive does have a hidden partition.
It's the Recovery partitions, around 450MB perhaps,
partition type 0x27 (hidden) versus the normal 0x07
for regular NTFS.

But the partition is not really all that hidden.
If you use the Disk Defragmenter, it is visible.

http://s9.postimg.org/yaty5c7of/win1...ition_name.png

The Recovery partition is the \\?\Volume item.

Some of the system commands accept that format. For
example, the CHKDSK command could be run on the
0x27 partition, as CHKDSK does accept \\?\Volume
names. While some utilities insist on a drive letter,
there are also commands that can use the \\?\Volume
name.

Paul

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:21:16 -0500, "Andy" wrote:

It actually does make hidden partitions that you cant see.
but deletes them when you get to a certain number of rollback dates.

You should probably stick to mopping up spills at the mall.

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to the OP of
the originally message.

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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:21:16 -0500, "Andy" wrote:

It actually does make hidden partitions that you cant see.
but deletes them when you get to a certain number of rollback dates.

You should probably stick to mopping up spills at the mall.

Andy wrote:

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to the OP of
the originally message.

Bwahahaha, you thought you were protected in Usenet? That you get
special privileges here? Bwahahahaha.

Ron posted this
via :

The November release of Windows 10 version 1151 removes the option to
roll your machine back to the previous operating system before the 31
day deadline.

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...its-first-big-
update/

Time and time and time again, you peeples haz ben tolled to make backup
images of your present system BEFORE you upgrade to Windows 10.

There are freeware that make this so eazy that it's crazzy NOT too...
AOMEI and Macrium Reflect and Paragon, etc...

Now, there's some peeples whining about M$ taking away their "roll-back
partitions"... The Win10 upgrade puts a "directory" in your C:\ drive
called "Windows.old". A directory; NOT a partition.

The upgrade also places 2 other directories in your C:\ drive, $Windows.~BT
and $Windows.~WS to facilitate a roll-back.

If you did the November update, you've likely figured out that older
Windows versions are FAR INFERIOR to Windows 10.

It baffles me how anybody would want to go backwards since Vista, Win7,
Win8 and Win8.1 were such mangey dogs...

Whatever is the fixation which compels certain people to bury their heads
in the mud - possibly a pure love of whining and complaining - the bottom
line is that YOU HAVE BEEN TOLLED TO BACKUP IMAGE YOUR SYSTEM faithfully
and regularly, but especially PRIOR TO ANY MAJOR SYSTEM CHANGES!

http://www.backup-utility.com/downloads.html

http://www.disk-partition.com/download-home.html

As stated above, there are many other freeware available, but these are
stupid-proof -- therefore, these are the ones I use.

So, all the idiots and whiners can go on about how they are missing their
"roll-back partitions" because, basically, THEY MISSED THE BOAT!

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and,
It's like Yogi Berra, RIP 9/22/2015, always used to say:
"The future ain't what it used to be!"

http://i.imgur.com/f193YWS.jpg?1

On 02 Dec 2015, "Andy" wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to
the OP of the originally message.

If you think you can hold private conversations in a public forum, you
should probably stick to mopping up spills at the mall.

Paul wrote:

"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.


Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing the update,
and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?

Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.


Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing the update,
and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?

If it's a system builder copy, then you'd install
it on the same computer as it was installed on
originally.

i think someone tried splitting the license across
two machines, and that didn't work.

But if you want to try for dual boot Win7/Win10 on
the one machine, that may indeed work. The next
"gate" item, would be Aug1,2016 where we find out
whether they will allow this forever or not. After
that date, either one or both of them will be running.
We know what some EULA might suggest, but it's pretty
hard to predict at this point, what they'll implement.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.


Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing
the update, and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?

If it's a system builder copy, then you'd install
it on the same computer as it was installed on
originally.

Would that still be true after the 30 day period?

Any difference with retail version?


i think someone tried splitting the license across
two machines, and that didn't work.

But if you want to try for dual boot Win7/Win10 on
the one machine, that may indeed work. The next
"gate" item, would be Aug1,2016 where we find out
whether they will allow this forever or not. After
that date, either one or both of them will be running.
We know what some EULA might suggest, but it's pretty
hard to predict at this point, what they'll implement.

Paul

Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:

"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.


Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing the update,
and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?


If attempting license amplification i.e. using both at the same time,
then No.
If removing 10 from the device and reverting back to Win10 via an image
or clean install with a valid Win7 DVD/Product key (or download from the
MSFT Store) on the same device, then Yes. Note: Phone activation may be
necessary - if so, answer the questions properly and have a pen/pencil
ready.


--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.

Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing
the update, and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?
If it's a system builder copy, then you'd install
it on the same computer as it was installed on
originally.

Would that still be true after the 30 day period?

Any difference with retail version?

i think someone tried splitting the license across
two machines, and that didn't work.

But if you want to try for dual boot Win7/Win10 on
the one machine, that may indeed work. The next
"gate" item, would be Aug1,2016 where we find out
whether they will allow this forever or not. After
that date, either one or both of them will be running.
We know what some EULA might suggest, but it's pretty
hard to predict at this point, what they'll implement.

Paul

If you

Machine1 --- Win7 --- Win10

Machine2 --- Same copy of Win7

that should end up with a Not Genuine on the Win10.
The second copy would be treated in the same way
as if you installed a Retail product twice. One
of the copies should end up Not Genuine.

There is no evidence the 30 day period feeds into
the notion of having been Activated. Rolling
back the OS doesn't "Un-Activate" it.

The only way they can possibly manage this, is
if they do want to enforce "only one running OS
per license", they could start to enforce the
rule after Aug1,2016. As the Free Upgrade will
no longer be available after that date, and if
you're running two copies (dual boot on the
same hard drive), they could then decide to
allow you to run one of then, and the other
could be Not Genuine.

Since they never spell out the practical details
(implementation), it's all a guessing game.

*******

Take my copy of Win8. It was purchased as an Upgrade
product. It should have checked for a Qualifying OS,
just like WIn2K used to do. Yet, it did not check.
I was able to install Win8 Upgrade, on a bare drive. So while
the contractual terms say it is an Upgrade product, the
implementation says otherwise.

And if they won't write up the policy for people to
read, we can only test and figure it out that way.
And the next "gate" for this product is Aug1,2016.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bob F wrote:
Paul wrote:
"Backup! Backup! Backup!"

your original OS. Did I mention you should backup
your original OS ? Well, you should.

Can you still install Win7 from your origional CD after installing
the update, and will windows update still keep it up-to-date?
If it's a system builder copy, then you'd install
it on the same computer as it was installed on
originally.

Would that still be true after the 30 day period?

Any difference with retail version?

i think someone tried splitting the license across
two machines, and that didn't work.

But if you want to try for dual boot Win7/Win10 on
the one machine, that may indeed work. The next
"gate" item, would be Aug1,2016 where we find out
whether they will allow this forever or not. After
that date, either one or both of them will be running.
We know what some EULA might suggest, but it's pretty
hard to predict at this point, what they'll implement.

Paul

If you

Machine1 --- Win7 --- Win10

Machine2 --- Same copy of Win7

that should end up with a Not Genuine on the Win10.
The second copy would be treated in the same way
as if you installed a Retail product twice. One
of the copies should end up Not Genuine.

There is no evidence the 30 day period feeds into
the notion of having been Activated. Rolling
back the OS doesn't "Un-Activate" it.

The only way they can possibly manage this, is
if they do want to enforce "only one running OS
per license", they could start to enforce the
rule after Aug1,2016. As the Free Upgrade will
no longer be available after that date, and if
you're running two copies (dual boot on the
same hard drive), they could then decide to
allow you to run one of then, and the other
could be Not Genuine.

Since they never spell out the practical details
(implementation), it's all a guessing game.

*******

Take my copy of Win8. It was purchased as an Upgrade
product. It should have checked for a Qualifying OS,
just like WIn2K used to do. Yet, it did not check.
I was able to install Win8 Upgrade, on a bare drive. So while
the contractual terms say it is an Upgrade product, the
implementation says otherwise.

And if they won't write up the policy for people to
read, we can only test and figure it out that way.
And the next "gate" for this product is Aug1,2016.

Paul

Thank you Paul and Winston for clarifying this for me.

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to the OP of
the original message.



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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Andy wrote:

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to the OP
of
the originally message.

Bwahahaha, you thought you were protected in Usenet? That you get
special privileges here? Bwahahahaha.

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to the OP of
the originall message.



--
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"Nil" wrote in message
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On 02 Dec 2015, "Andy" wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You should stick to minding you're own business to my reply's to
the OP of the originally message.

If you think you can hold private conversations in a public forum, you
should probably stick to mopping up spills at the mall.