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February 17th 13, 11:37 PM
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I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5.
I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed 
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February 17th 13, 11:39 PM
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On 02/17/2013 05:37 PM, Ed Ahern wrote:
I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed Just install Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ You will soon be back to the GUI that you are familiar with -- https://www.createspace.com/3707686
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February 18th 13, 12:30 AM
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On 2/17/2013 3:37 PM, Ed Ahern wrote:
I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
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February 18th 13, 01:57 AM
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:30:54 -0800, Mellowed wrote:
On 2/17/2013 3:37 PM, Ed Ahern wrote: I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ Ditto! And perhaps even better is StartIsBack ($3.00) which I just found out about today. -- Ken Blake
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February 18th 13, 02:33 AM
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Ed Ahern wrote:
I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed First thing to do is read the manual. Seriously :-) I've seen it mentioned, that at least one recently shipped OEM computer, actually has the capability to install a clean copy of the OS. Meaning the OEM cruft is removed (no NTI backup or WildTangent or whatever). Checking the manual pays off, because the feature set on new computers is getting more and more complicated. (There are a number of restoration options now, and it's a regular minefield. New computers are no longer limited to the brain-dead "restore to factory" option. There are lighter-weight options.) Reading the manual, keeps you ahead of the game. Ask to borrow the manual from your friend, because we all know your friend isn't going to read it :-) That's why your friend asked for help, to get you to read the manual :-) (Did I mention how boring the "Getting Started" manual is ?) Conversely, give your friend a copy of this a couple days before you pop in for your PC tuneup. This will stop a few of those "how do I..." type questions. "Windows 8 For Dummies" (147 pages) Complete with classical yellow cover... https://marketing.dell.com/Global/Fi...ws-8-ebook.pdf Paul
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February 18th 13, 03:59 AM
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Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ Ditto! And perhaps even better is StartIsBack ($3.00) which I just found out about today. That's the one I use. For your $3.00 you can use it on two machines and it doesn't add anything except the start orb. The code is already in Win 8. StartIsBack uses that code to make a perfect reproduction of the Win7 start menu. Tom L
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February 18th 13, 04:30 PM
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Paul, I would love to read the manual.
brand new HP laptop, zero documentation. I helped him take it out of the box. I have ordered a "windows 8 bible". when I get it I will read it. I find the "dummy series" too light Ed "Paul" wrote in message ... Ed Ahern wrote: I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed First thing to do is read the manual. Seriously :-) I've seen it mentioned, that at least one recently shipped OEM computer, actually has the capability to install a clean copy of the OS. Meaning the OEM cruft is removed (no NTI backup or WildTangent or whatever). Checking the manual pays off, because the feature set on new computers is getting more and more complicated. (There are a number of restoration options now, and it's a regular minefield. New computers are no longer limited to the brain-dead "restore to factory" option. There are lighter-weight options.) Reading the manual, keeps you ahead of the game. Ask to borrow the manual from your friend, because we all know your friend isn't going to read it :-) That's why your friend asked for help, to get you to read the manual :-) (Did I mention how boring the "Getting Started" manual is ?) Conversely, give your friend a copy of this a couple days before you pop in for your PC tuneup. This will stop a few of those "how do I..." type questions. "Windows 8 For Dummies" (147 pages) Complete with classical yellow cover... https://marketing.dell.com/Global/Fi...ws-8-ebook.pdf Paul
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February 18th 13, 05:06 PM
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Paul posted this
via : Ed Ahern wrote: I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed First thing to do is read the manual. Seriously :-) I've seen it mentioned, that at least one recently shipped OEM computer, actually has the capability to install a clean copy of the OS. Meaning the OEM cruft is removed (no NTI backup or WildTangent or whatever). Checking the manual pays off, because the feature set on new computers is getting more and more complicated. (There are a number of restoration options now, and it's a regular minefield. New computers are no longer limited to the brain-dead "restore to factory" option. There are lighter-weight options.) Reading the manual, keeps you ahead of the game. Ask to borrow the manual from your friend, because we all know your friend isn't going to read it :-) That's why your friend asked for help, to get you to read the manual :-) (Did I mention how boring the "Getting Started" manual is ?) Conversely, give your friend a copy of this a couple days before you pop in for your PC tuneup. This will stop a few of those "how do I..." type questions. "Windows 8 For Dummies" (147 pages) Complete with classical yellow cover... https://marketing.dell.com/Global/Fi...ws-8-ebook.pdf Paul Ditto all that. Ostensibly, the issue with Windows 8 is the shell, not just the start menu's newest artistic flair and hidden buttons/controls [cursor-bump the bottom right-hand corner of the computer's pikkture tube]. http://www.classicshell.net/ "Classic Shell is a collection of usability enhancements for Windows. The main features a •Highly customizable start menu with multiple styles and skins •Start button for Windows 7 and Windows 8 •Toolbar and status bar for Windows Explorer •Caption and status bar for Internet Explorer Classic Shell has more than 3 million downloads. See download statistics aka http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/files/stats/timeline" Other than SourceForge being quite annoying to download from, it is free... and in constant development/improvement... a possible advantage as more and more ppl elect this option. HTCTTD. -- I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and if you believe that you are having another one of those "bad days," just think of it like God is using YOU for target practice... After the meteorite, you KNOW those Russians do! Why repent? 'The End' was last year! M'eh... just go ahead and smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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February 18th 13, 05:24 PM
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On 2/18/2013 11:30 AM, Ed Ahern wrote:
Paul, I would love to read the manual. brand new HP laptop, zero documentation. I helped him take it out of the box. I have ordered a "windows 8 bible". when I get it I will read it. I find the "dummy series" too light Ed "Paul" wrote in message ... Ed Ahern wrote: I have been playing around with Microsoft since dos 5. I am no expert nor do I claim to be. A friend just bought a new laptop and wants me to help him set it up. I am in over my head until I can get some documentation. In the short term, can I make it look and act like 7? If so, how? He does not have a touch screen (that's O.K. ) His demands are few, e-mail, surfing, and looking and saving pixs from the kids. Ed First thing to do is read the manual. Seriously :-) I've seen it mentioned, that at least one recently shipped OEM computer, actually has the capability to install a clean copy of the OS. Meaning the OEM cruft is removed (no NTI backup or WildTangent or whatever). Checking the manual pays off, because the feature set on new computers is getting more and more complicated. (There are a number of restoration options now, and it's a regular minefield. New computers are no longer limited to the brain-dead "restore to factory" option. There are lighter-weight options.) Reading the manual, keeps you ahead of the game. Ask to borrow the manual from your friend, because we all know your friend isn't going to read it :-) That's why your friend asked for help, to get you to read the manual :-) (Did I mention how boring the "Getting Started" manual is ?) Conversely, give your friend a copy of this a couple days before you pop in for your PC tuneup. This will stop a few of those "how do I..." type questions. "Windows 8 For Dummies" (147 pages) Complete with classical yellow cover... https://marketing.dell.com/Global/Fi...ws-8-ebook.pdf Paul The "Missing Manual" series is often good and fairly reliable. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
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February 18th 13, 06:23 PM
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:59:33 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote: Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ Ditto! And perhaps even better is StartIsBack ($3.00) which I just found out about today. Those are my words, not yours! Either stop posting here with Windows Live Mail, which royally screws up quoting, or else insert the needed marks yourself, as RC White does. That's the one I use. For your $3.00 you can use it on two machines and it doesn't add anything except the start orb. The code is already in Win 8. StartIsBack uses that code to make a perfect reproduction of the Win7 start menu. Tom L -- Ken Blake
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February 18th 13, 06:32 PM
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On 18/02/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:59:33 -0500, "Tom Lake" wrote: Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ Ditto! And perhaps even better is StartIsBack ($3.00) which I just found out about today. Those are my words, not yours! Either stop posting here with Windows Live Mail, which royally screws up quoting, or else insert the needed marks yourself, as RC White does. Agreed. However, I've given up bothering - I have a Thunderbird filter now that removes all posts made with Windows Live Mail, my blood pressure stays lower that way :-) -- Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK If a man stands in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
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February 18th 13, 08:39 PM
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:32:53 +0000, Bob Henson wrote:
On 18/02/2013 6:23 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:59:33 -0500, "Tom Lake" wrote: Classic Shell is good. But my preference is Start8 for $5.00. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ Ditto! And perhaps even better is StartIsBack ($3.00) which I just found out about today. Those are my words, not yours! Either stop posting here with Windows Live Mail, which royally screws up quoting, or else insert the needed marks yourself, as RC White does. Agreed. However, I've given up bothering - I have a Thunderbird filter now that removes all posts made with Windows Live Mail, my blood pressure stays lower that way :-) That sounds better than pills, by golly. But since I love to complain, I probably won't (try to) add a similar filter here. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
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February 18th 13, 09:48 PM
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Bob Henson has written on 2/18/2013 1:32 PM:
Agreed. However, I've given up bothering - I have a Thunderbird filter now that removes all posts made with Windows Live Mail, my blood pressure stays lower that way :-) Would you share your filter?
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February 18th 13, 09:58 PM
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ...
Those are my words, not yours! Either stop posting here with Windows Live Mail, which royally screws up quoting, or else insert the needed marks yourself, as RC White does.  I knew who wrote those words -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps
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February 18th 13, 11:41 PM
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:48:12 -0500, Juan Wei wrote:
Bob Henson has written on 2/18/2013 1:32 PM: Agreed. However, I've given up bothering - I have a Thunderbird filter now that removes all posts made with Windows Live Mail, my blood pressure stays lower that way :-) Would you share your filter? Pretty obvious. Custom, add User-Agent and X-Newsreader, and set up a filter for both. Match any, against Microsoft Windows Live Mail. OK, I had never set anything up for Windows Live Mail, and from when I read your post to having set up the filter to now was about three minutes. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
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