Windows 8 has fast boot

On 04/10/2014 10:33 AM, Seth wrote:
Bob Henson has brought this to us :

It says that that Windows 10 will recognise what sort of system it is
installed on, so I'm guessing that on a tablet, or phone, it will boot
to the Metro/Modern interface. If it doesn't, Microsoft have made
another giant cock-up, because the tablet/phone users won't like the
interface that I have got either - the metro squares will be too small
for them. However, I'm sure other tablet/phone users will soon tell us
that - if anyone tries it.

It does recognize it. On a physical laptop it goes to desktop and the
start button brings up a start menu. On my Surface Pro 2 it uses the
start screen and boots to that. Eitehr settings (screen vs. menu and
boot to desktop vs start) are user selectable by rt-clicking the
taskbar and going to properties.


That's good then - for Microsoft at least. I still think they're on a
loser trying to be all things to all men with one version - but if it
does work, then they'll do well. Apart, that is, from the problem of
enterprise users on desktops who still won't touch it with a bargepole.
If you can't get them off XP to Windows 7 (Microsoft's best ever) you'll
certainly not get them onto Windows 10.

--
Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Celebrity - a person who works hard to become well known, and then wears
dark glasses to avoid being recognised.

on 10/4/2014, Bob Henson supposed :
On 04/10/2014 10:33 AM, Seth wrote:
Bob Henson has brought this to us :

That's good then - for Microsoft at least. I still think they're on a
loser trying to be all things to all men with one version - but if it
does work, then they'll do well. Apart, that is, from the problem of
enterprise users on desktops who still won't touch it with a bargepole.
If you can't get them off XP to Windows 7 (Microsoft's best ever) you'll
certainly not get them onto Windows 10.

Many, if not most enterprise customers are and have already moved off
of XP. For a large organization extended support past April is in the
millions of dollars per year to keep XP running. Then you have the
whole issue of requirements to keep clients and stock holders
comfortable.

I am in an enterprise envrionment and we transitioned to Windows 7
before the XP EOL and I am currently working on the prototype for a
Windows 10 based client. I will be deploying it to 200,000 users in 137
countries by end of CY2015.

On 04/10/2014 8:57 PM, Seth wrote:
on 10/4/2014, Bob Henson supposed :
On 04/10/2014 10:33 AM, Seth wrote:
Bob Henson has brought this to us :

That's good then - for Microsoft at least. I still think they're on a
loser trying to be all things to all men with one version - but if it
does work, then they'll do well. Apart, that is, from the problem of
enterprise users on desktops who still won't touch it with a bargepole.
If you can't get them off XP to Windows 7 (Microsoft's best ever) you'll
certainly not get them onto Windows 10.

Many, if not most enterprise customers are and have already moved off
of XP. For a large organization extended support past April is in the
millions of dollars per year to keep XP running. Then you have the
whole issue of requirements to keep clients and stock holders
comfortable.

There are still huge numbers still on XP, though - although you are
correct about the majority having moved to Windows 7. The fifth biggest
employer in the world, our National Health Service, still uses XP
mainly. They are so reluctant to tackle the expense of change that they
have negotiated another year's support from Microsoft whilst they tackle
it. Most UK Government departments and public authorities still use XP,
I'm sorry to say - because that means I have to, albeit only
occasionally. .

http://bit.ly/1qinpXT

However, getting anyone from XP or Windows 7 to Windows 8 or Windows 10
will be a different ball-game - much, much harder. If, in the meantime,
Windows 7 becomes unavailable and they have to switch to Windows 10, Oh
boy, will they wish they'd already changed to 7. I'm sure that custom
front-ends will get rid of the worst of the problems, but that may only
happen in large organisations. Heaven help the individuals that have to
struggle on with it as it is. I've installed Classic Shell to it now,
and (although an update will be needed to it), that solves a lot of the
problems, and Windows 10 seems fine "behind the scenes", so to speak.


--
Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Dolphins are smart - they train people to stand and throw them fish.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:07:09 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:


There are still huge numbers still on XP, though - although you are
correct about the majority having moved to Windows 7.

Not to claim you are wrong--I certainly don't know that--but it's very
difficult to know what the majority is using. Sales figures aren't
good enough to tell, at least in part because a lot of people run
pirated copies.

On 2014-10-05, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:07:09 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:


There are still huge numbers still on XP, though - although you are
correct about the majority having moved to Windows 7.

Not to claim you are wrong--I certainly don't know that--but it's very
difficult to know what the majority is using. Sales figures aren't
good enough to tell, at least in part because a lot of people run
pirated copies.

Don't know how true, but have read ATM machines are mostly (all?)
XP; so were the ATMs being counted as part of the enterprises'
installations?

Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

lew laid this down on his screen :
On 2014-10-05, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 19:07:09 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:


There are still huge numbers still on XP, though - although you are
correct about the majority having moved to Windows 7.

Not to claim you are wrong--I certainly don't know that--but it's very
difficult to know what the majority is using. Sales figures aren't
good enough to tell, at least in part because a lot of people run
pirated copies.

Don't know how true, but have read ATM machines are mostly (all?)
XP; so were the ATMs being counted as part of the enterprises'
installations?

Most ATMs (and other Windows based appliances) don't use standard XP.
They use a different version of it called WePOS (Windows Embedded for
Point of Sale) that has a different support cycle.

Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.



Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

On 14-10-06 12:53 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

I have a tablet and I have to admit that I'm not much of a fan of the
touchscreen crap. There was nothing wrong with the way that we used our
technology before, especially not the keyboard and the mouse. Perhaps
I'm getting old but I find a lot of applications more accessible
_without_ touch features.

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On 06/10/2014 6:04 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-10-06 12:53 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

I have a tablet and I have to admit that I'm not much of a fan of the
touchscreen crap. There was nothing wrong with the way that we used our
technology before, especially not the keyboard and the mouse. Perhaps
I'm getting old but I find a lot of applications more accessible
_without_ touch features.


It's not just your age - the old folk that I help with their computing
love tablets. Small, light, portable and they do everything they want -
order food from Tesco, Skype the grandchildren in Australia, e-mail and
the web, and all from their armchair. When they come to the library for
advice, they fit in their handbags, and Tesco plastic bags are a
favourite tablet carrier for the blokes. They are stopping buying
laptops, and very few of them have or want desktops now. Mind you, very
few of them use Windows 8, thank heavens - nearly all Android.

--
Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Coles Law: Cabbage makes good salad.

On 14-10-06 01:18 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 06/10/2014 6:04 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-10-06 12:53 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

I have a tablet and I have to admit that I'm not much of a fan of the
touchscreen crap. There was nothing wrong with the way that we used our
technology before, especially not the keyboard and the mouse. Perhaps
I'm getting old but I find a lot of applications more accessible
_without_ touch features.


It's not just your age - the old folk that I help with their computing
love tablets. Small, light, portable and they do everything they want -
order food from Tesco, Skype the grandchildren in Australia, e-mail and
the web, and all from their armchair. When they come to the library for
advice, they fit in their handbags, and Tesco plastic bags are a
favourite tablet carrier for the blokes. They are stopping buying
laptops, and very few of them have or want desktops now. Mind you, very
few of them use Windows 8, thank heavens - nearly all Android.

And tablets are probably what will be selling until Microsoft or Apple
devise some new technology which will require the awesome power of a
desktop. As it is, things haven't changed so significantly from say
2001: we still watch Flash videos, send and receive e-mails, share
pictures and browse the web. Until a new need is created, tablets will
become way more than enough to satisfy the average customer.

For my taste, I prefer having way too much power in both my lap and on
my desk than barely enough.

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Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
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spayed or neutered.

On 10/06/2014 01:04 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-10-06 12:53 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

I have a tablet and I have to admit that I'm not much of a fan of the
touchscreen crap. There was nothing wrong with the way that we used our
technology before, especially not the keyboard and the mouse. Perhaps
I'm getting old but I find a lot of applications more accessible
_without_ touch features.


That's the problem. We are all getting old and can use the keyboard,
mouse efficiently. MS is aiming at the younger generations that like to
use phones and tablets instead of desktops or laptops.
As a purchasing power we are in decline. The younger generations are the
purchasing power house now. MS and the computer manufacturers don't care
if they leave us behind.

--
Caver1

On 14-10-07 01:41 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/06/2014 01:04 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-10-06 12:53 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:12:34 +0000 (UTC), lew
wrote:


Hardware updates are expensive; so how many people went out
to buy touchscreen displays to run win8 & metro? No way I'm getting a
touchscreen monitor to replace my 27" monitor especially considering
how often I have to clean my tablets' displays of oily smudges.

Not everyone who runs Windows 8 has or wants a touch screen. Not me,
for example. I wouldn't do it even if they were much cheaper.

I have a tablet and I have to admit that I'm not much of a fan of the
touchscreen crap. There was nothing wrong with the way that we used our
technology before, especially not the keyboard and the mouse. Perhaps
I'm getting old but I find a lot of applications more accessible
_without_ touch features.


That's the problem. We are all getting old and can use the keyboard,
mouse efficiently. MS is aiming at the younger generations that like to
use phones and tablets instead of desktops or laptops.

The difference, in my opinion, is that the younger generation tends to
consume content a lot more than the older generations. Whereas we use
the computer to produce content of any kind, the younger generations
seems to use computing specifically to watch videos, read books (as
cumbersome as this is), play casual games and so on. Obviously, tablets
are perfect for them but horribly underpowered and annoying for us.

As a purchasing power we are in decline. The younger generations are the
purchasing power house now. MS and the computer manufacturers don't care
if they leave us behind.

That's fine: as long as I can still build my own computers if not buy
desktops and laptops, I'm fine. I need a real keyboard and enjoy a
mouse. Additionally, I don't give a crap if my battery doesn't last very
long since I can easily just plug it in and take advantage of the power
I paid for.

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OpenMedia Supporter