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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoninghome?
On 4/14/2018 10:09 AM, Paul wrote:
Neil wrote: On 4/13/2018 11:36 PM, Paul wrote: Setting the Update to Never, followed by preventing the app from seeing "queued up Update to process", may get you off the update squirrel cage, which is only there to generate advertising views. Â*Â*Â* Paul Â* What "advertising views" are you seeing? I let FileZilla update whenever it wants to, and only see the repairs and modifications, never any ads. It's in the OPs picture. https://i.cubeupload.com/P3qVra.jpg Â*Â* Paul Oh. That's easy enough to ignore...OTOH, ignoring maintenance updates could cause problems. -- best regards, Neil |
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"Neil" wrote
| OTOH, ignoring maintenance updates | could cause problems. | My copy seems to be dated 2013. I don't have any problems. I do see problems, however, with the assumption that newer is better. After all, that's how you got stuck with Win10. |
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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home?
On 14/04/2018 03:56:02, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
I don't want any app updating or phoning home unless/until I ask it to. (Which is pretty much, never.) Yet, FileZilla keeps trying to update. http://i.cubeupload.com/P3qVra.jpg I keep trying to stop it from updating. But it's not working. Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home? I just block any program that wants to do that in my firewall settings. -- mick |
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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home?
Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 11:21:34 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:
| OTOH, ignoring maintenance updates | could cause problems. | My copy seems to be dated 2013. I don't have any problems. I do see problems, however, with the assumption that newer is better. After all, that's how you got stuck with Win10. Life is a risk, but I'm with Mayayana that risking "updates" on something like FileZilla is a puny risk overall, and, since FileZilla of a billion years ago does the same job as FileZilla of tomorrow - you don't lose any functionality whatsoever, in practice. My rule of thumb is never update unless I want to update and I won't want to update unless I know there is something I want that I don't already have, which is almost never. I can't seem to get it to not update by changing the xml file, which, I changed so much, that it failed to even read it. http://i.cubeupload.com/nq4pTL.jpg It creates that xml file when the app closes, so it created a new one. Right now, I give up on trying to make it stop updating in the settings or in the XML file. I hope the HOSTS will kill those updates finally. |
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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home?
Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:22:23 -0400, schrieb Big Al:
How long does cubeupload.com save this pics? I've been looking for that simple place to put temp images. This looks easy to get to and use. I like that it leaves no link to "me". As far as I know, it's forever (or as long as forever is anyway). What I like about cubeupload is that it's no registration. And, users who use it have to not complain that it makes them uneasy. (for example, if it pops up ads or some other obnoxious penalty) And it doesn't require me to answer any questions about the file. Also that it can handle many files at a time. And that it's fast enough. It also handles VPN (since I never upload from my IP address). I don't remember if it handles Tor exit nodes though (I'd have to test). The only thing I don't like is that it changes the file name. No big deal. There are plenty of free no registration VPN available upload sites if you don't like cubeupload. |
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Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 04:03:56 -0400, schrieb Paul:
You can place an entry in the HOSTS file to prevent it from reaching its destination. In retaliation, expect it to take longer starting up. To understand what to block, fire up Wireshark, start a trace, then start FileZilla and see what URLs it sends out. Then you can block those in the HOSTS file and try again. That's a good idea, Paul, which should solve the problem instantly. The C:\Users\ultred\AppData\Roaming\FileZilla\filezill a.xml file should already tell me exactly what domain to block. Namely: Setting name="External address resolver" http://ip.filezilla-project.org/ip.php/Setting Setting name="Update Check New Version"nightly 2018-04-14 http://filezilla-project.org/nightli...la_3_setup.exe https://dl1.cdn.filezilla-project.or...in64-setup.exe 7924192 Looking at those, I'll add to the hosts file: 0.0.0.0 ip.filezilla-project.org 0.0.0.0 filezilla-project.org 0.0.0.0 dl1.cdn.filezilla-project.org For some reason, I'm having permission problems with the HOSTS file (it keeps complaining that it's read only) but once I resolve that, this should work moving forward. I used Notepad, which I could run from the admin command line, so that added the lines. It still seems to check, but maybe it just looks in the xml file to determine the version. I tried changing the xml line FROM: Setting name="Last automatic update version"3.32.0/Setting TO: Setting name="Last automatic update version"3.0.0/Setting But it still said I was using the latest version, so I might have to wait for FileZilla versions to change on the net to fully test this out. Thanks for that suggestion. |
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Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 09:57:45 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:
I'm on 3.7.3. I've never seen any attempt to update. For the record, I'm entering that info as my current contribution to your tribe's collective data trove. I'm on FileZilla 3.32.0, where the tribal record will show that no matter what I put at "FZ: Settings Update Never", it still automatically downloads the update and then nags forever to install the update. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote | | I've used Filezilla for years on many computers, and it has always | respected the "Never check for updates" setting. It has never "reset" | itself. | | What version are you on? I'm on 3.7.3. I've never seen any attempt to update. For the record, I'm entering that info as my current contribution to your tribe's collective data trove. Well the latest version is 3.32.0. Developers make updates to fix things. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with what you are foregoing https://filezilla-project.org/versions.php -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 16:37:24 +0100, schrieb mick:
Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home? I just block any program that wants to do that in my firewall settings. It doesn't seem to work in my initial tests, where I added this to the HOSTS file based on what the xml file had as domains listed. 0.0.0.0 ip.filezilla-project.org 0.0.0.0 filezilla-project.org 0.0.0.0 dl1.cdn.filezilla-project.org When I press the "check update" button in FileZilla, it thinks for a few seconds and then says I have the correct version. So I can't tell if the blocking in the HOSTS file worked or not, since it could be a hard-coded domain that the program uses (yes, I have wireshark but you all know how miserable the output is from wireshark). I'll just sit on it until there's a new update and then I will check if the update works with the HOSTS file blocking those three domains. If anyone else can suggest additional domains to block, let us all know (tribal knowledge and all that). |
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Paul wrote:
It's in the OPs picture. https://i.cubeupload.com/P3qVra.jpg That's could be considered an example of the lease intrusive bit of advertising... and how much did you spend to get the application? -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 13:57:33 -0400, schrieb Jonathan N. Little:
Well the latest version is 3.32.0. Developers make updates to fix things. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with what you are foregoing https://filezilla-project.org/versions.php Searching for "update" in that interesting file comes up with interesting tidbits, one of which is that they totally revamped the updater quite a few times. Some additional tidbits... * Test of changes to autoupdate logic introduced in 3.2.7-rc2 * Fix handling of HTTPS in the auto updater in case a mirror redirects to HTTPS * The updater can now handle HTTPS servers that redirect to other HTTPS servers * FileZilla is now also available as 64bit Windows program. Users of 32bit FileZilla on 64bit Windows will get automatically migrated using the auto-updater * Fix visual problems caused by too long URLs in update checks * The updater now submits CPU capabilities when checking for updates. In a future version support for CPUs without SSE2 support will be dropped * Use HTTPS to check for updates and compare hash of downloaded update file * Add additional logging if autoupdate mechanism fails * Fix activity indicators not working after the update check has been run * Auto-update check now transmits whether the operating system is 32bit or 64bit * Remember location of update download directory * Successfully downloaded update file is no longer deleted if user cancels the finish page of the update check wizard * Do not show update dialog if there is already some other dialog open * Fix SHA-512 calculating incorrect hashes on 64bit systems, used by SFTP and the update wizard * Reduce number of needed user interactions in installer if update started from within FileZilla * Fix parsing of HTTP chunk lengths for the update downloader * Downloading updates should no longer randomly freeze the client after HTTP redirects * The update wizard now shows a list of changes in the new version * etc. Probably the most important was this: * Add option to disable update checks to fzdefaults.xml So maybe I've been changing the wrong file! Even so, the update question is always whether the newer version adds anything that you want, and, whether it adds anything you don't want. In my very humble experience with freeware over the decades, almost never does the "latest and greatest" version add anything you want, and very often (especially on mobile devices), it adds a ****load of crap that you don't want. For an egregious example, take "Super" which we all used, until it went over to the dark side. Even the venerable Irfanview started addding checkboxes to add crapware to our systems. |
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote
| Well the latest version is 3.32.0. Developers make updates to fix | things. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with what you are foregoing | | https://filezilla-project.org/versions.php | Why? My version works fine. Is there something in particular that you think I might need? Or do you just update as a rule, assuming that newer is better? Developers don't necessarily make updates to fix things. That can be one reason. They also add features. Sometimes those are things you don't want. Sometimes the new features need a fix. Sometimes updates end free features. If I had a problem I'd look at updates. I don't have a problem. On the other hand, I updated VLC awhile back and it started screwing up the display of other windows when it was running. I'm now back to 2.0.5, the last version that worked properly for me. I don't know the reason for the problem, but 2.0.5 does everything I ask of it and never crashes or causes problems. (v. 2.1.5 was also a problem.) Actually, I'd say that in my experience, updates are more likely to be worse than better. I use Paint Shop Pro 5 and 16. I have PSP7 but it's not as good as 5. (And 16 has problems.) I'm on Firefox 52 ESR. Recent versions break a lot of extensions and what I've heard about that hasn't been good. I still use Regmon and Filemon. The newer ProcMon replaces both of them. But with Filemon and Regmon, when I click the button to stop capture, that's what it does. With Procmon it freezes with an inane message that claims it's "disconnecting" from capture. That take several seconds. In many cases things like firewalls have been sold and the older versions are more trustworthy. My version of PDF XChange Viewer dates from 2014. I just did my Federal tax forms with it. My impression is that newer versions are not free, or have more limited functionality. I'm not sure. If I have problems I'll research it again. But for now, PDFXV is free and does what I want without crashing or problems. So why should I update? I don't advocate never updating. I don't advocate one way or the other. But there's something to be said for not fixing what isn't broken. The trend toward auto-updating, connected largely to the trend toward services, has resulted in 2 big problems: 1) Software developers get lazy because every version is basically a beta. for the most part, the cyclic updating is done to hide the fact that there really aren't any notable new features. It's not because they come up with new, hot feautres faster than ever. A lot of commercial software is now like that. I know someone whose only job is to do compiles for a large company. The builds are ongoing. I know someone else who does bughunting for medical software that gets updated automatically once per week. It's insane. That development model was cooked up to save jobs in a market where most software is already mature. 2) It's a very unstable situation for the end-user. People who have been trained to think that updates are inherently good are running computers full of software on an auto- dripfeed of who-knows-what. The average person could have 10-20 programs enmeshed in a cycle of instability. Even Windows is now like that. Many of the problem posts in this group are about how the latest Windows update broke something. Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's not the best design?... That maybe Microsoft isn't just sending down "fixes"? It's striking that there's always a percentage of people who want to tell everyone else to update, as though it's a religious belief. I don't presume to tell you how you should manage your computer. Yet you don't hesitate to tell me I should update my software, as though you're an expert, without any thought to what you're saying. |
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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home?
"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote
| I'm on FileZilla 3.32.0, where the tribal record will show that no matter | what I put at "FZ: Settings Update Never", it still automatically | downloads the update and then nags forever to install the update. This might be a longshot, but are you sure that Windows isn't blocking you writing to the config file and lying to you about it? It seems odd that open source software might act so obnoxiously. If it is doing that then I guess you're options would be to back up the version and/or block their site in HOSTS. |
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"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote
| Namely: | Setting name="External address resolver" | http://ip.filezilla-project.org/ip.php/Setting | Setting name="Update Check New Version"nightly 2018-04-14 | http://filezilla-project.org/nightli...la_3_setup.exe | https://dl1.cdn.filezilla-project.or...in64-setup.exe 7924192 | For what it's worth, here's what I have: Setting name="Update Check" type="number"0/Setting Setting name="Update Check Interval" type="number"7/Setting Setting name="Last automatic update check" type="string"2010-03-11 02:01:33/Setting Setting name="Update Check New Version" type="string" / "Update Check New Version" is an empty value. |
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Does anyone have the solution to stopping FileZilla from phoning home?
On 14 Apr 2018, Ragnusen Ultred wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Am Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:24:10 -0400, schrieb Nil: I've used Filezilla for years on many computers, and it has always respected the "Never check for updates" setting. It has never "reset" itself. What version are you on? Whatever is the latest. I usually keep up pretty closely with the latest updates with Filezilla Client and I've never had a problem, including the one you're complaining about. By the way, you have a corrupt header in your posts - two lines are concatonated: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitX-Complaints-To: http://abuse.usenetxs.com This causes my Android newsgroup reader to crash. |
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