Disable Internet Explorer 11

Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 03:09 AM, ...winston wrote:


IE is an integral component of Windows, it can't be turned off or
disabled only features that use it. Good luck finding all of them.

Lies again. Microsoft says you can. So who's the lier, YOU or Microsoft?
I disable IE add Windows works just fine with it disabled.

I think in my reply to you, I indicated as an experienced user,
you can *actually* figure this out for yourself.

Considering the amount of energy you've expended picking fights,
you could be done and having dinner by now.

*******

I'll prepare a summary for you.

While this screenshot is from WinXP, the same concept exists in Windows 8.1U1.
You can remove the Windows component known as Internet Explorer 11.
The Windows Component dialog is in the foreground of the picture.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qnnreh.jpg

In the background, underneath the Windows Components dialog, you can
see the other option. The other option is for Program Configuration.
In Windows 8, that's called Default Programs, and it has a "Custom" entry
in it as well my WinXP screenshot does. The purpose of "Default Programs"
is to make some shortcuts disappear. But, Default Programs doesn't do as
much damage, as removing the Windows component known as Internet Explorer 11.

When you remove IE11, using Windows Components, this diff.exe output
shows you the changes to the Internet Explorer folder. Notice that
iexplore.exe has gone missing. With that program removed, it's
pretty hard for any link in an email program, to be opened by that file.
There is only one file of significant size that has gone missing.

12d11
-rw------- 5 mint mint 5120 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/iexplore.exe.mui
20d18
-rw------- 3 mint mint 2843 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/ie9props.propdesc
27,32c25
-rw------- 2 mint mint 809648 Mar 2 07:11 Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe
-rw------- 3 mint mint 340 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.VisualElementsManifest.xml
-rw------- 3 mint mint 891 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-100.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1253 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-140.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1335 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-180.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 659 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-80.png
---
-rw------- 2 mint mint 5430 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/bing.ico
44,45d36
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2696 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/pris/resources.en-US.pri
-rw------- 3 mint mint 12160 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/resources.pri
51,52d41
-rw------- 3 mint mint 525 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/VisualElementsManifest.xml


If instead, I use the "Default Programs" method, the
Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe remains
there in the folder. And that means, there is a possibility
for iexplore.exe to be executed. Yes, it disappears from
being pinned in the Task Bar. Certain visual appearances
can be removed. But the crucial factor is, the executable
is still there.

The folder continues to have content, no matter what you do.
The "Internet Explorer" folder is not removed.

Even when you use the Windows Components menu, and iexplore.exe
is removed, these are the folder contents afterwards. The supporting
files for Internet Explorer, are not even near to being eliminated.
There are still files in here with i* file names. I was not able
to determine, if any of these is the equivalent of an iehtml engine.

-rw------- 3 mint mint 570368 Feb 22 06:56 Program Files/Internet Explorer/DiagnosticsHub.DataWarehouse.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 48128 Feb 22 07:01 Program Files/Internet Explorer/DiagnosticsHub_is.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 255488 Feb 22 05:50 Program Files/Internet Explorer/DiagnosticsHub.ScriptedSandboxPlugin.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 209408 Feb 22 05:56 Program Files/Internet Explorer/DiagnosticsTap.dll
-rw------- 7 mint mint 10752 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/DiagnosticsTap.dll.mui
-rw------- 3 mint mint 3584 Feb 22 09:42 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/F12.dll.mui
-rw------- 3 mint mint 52736 Feb 22 09:41 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/F12Resources.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2048 Feb 22 09:41 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/F12Tools.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2560 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/hmmapi.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 29184 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/iedvtool.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2048 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/ieinstal.exe.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 15872 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/jsdbgui.dll.mui
-rw------- 7 mint mint 8192 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/jsprofilerui.dll.mui
-rw------- 7 mint mint 30720 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/en-US/networkinspection.dll.mui
-rw------- 2 mint mint 1796608 Feb 22 05:26 Program Files/Internet Explorer/F12.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 8011776 Feb 22 07:08 Program Files/Internet Explorer/F12Resources.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 326144 Feb 22 05:53 Program Files/Internet Explorer/F12Tools.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 52224 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/hmmapi.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 335872 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/iediagcmd.exe
-rw------- 2 mint mint 871936 Feb 22 08:29 Program Files/Internet Explorer/iedvtool.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 482816 Feb 22 05:34 Program Files/Internet Explorer/ieinstal.exe
-rw------- 3 mint mint 222720 Feb 22 06:26 Program Files/Internet Explorer/ielowutil.exe
-rw------- 2 mint mint 722432 Feb 22 03:24 Program Files/Internet Explorer/ieproxy.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 359936 Feb 22 03:48 Program Files/Internet Explorer/IEShims.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 5430 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/images/bing.ico
-rw------- 2 mint mint 565248 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/jsdbgui.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 142336 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/jsdebuggeride.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 67072 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/JSProfilerCore.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 618496 Feb 22 05:39 Program Files/Internet Explorer/jsprofilerui.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1850880 Feb 22 06:16 Program Files/Internet Explorer/MemoryAnalyzer.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 400968 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/msdbg2.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1191936 Feb 22 05:25 Program Files/Internet Explorer/networkinspection.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 542272 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/pdm.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 105568 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/pdmproxy100.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 161280 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/perfcore.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 1477120 Feb 22 06:23 Program Files/Internet Explorer/perf_nt.dll
-rw------- 1 mint mint 464 Jul 26 2012 Program Files/Internet Explorer/SIGNUP/install.ins
-rw------- 2 mint mint 278528 Feb 22 06:25 Program Files/Internet Explorer/sqmapi.dll
-rw------- 4 mint mint 3191 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet Explorer/Timeline.cpu.xml
-rw------- 2 mint mint 145920 Feb 22 05:43 Program Files/Internet Explorer/Timeline.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 146432 Feb 22 06:28 Program Files/Internet Explorer/Timeline_is.dll

As for the Internet Explorer file itself, there is a file with the same
checksum in the "store area". This would be done with hard links,
but I didn't gather any proof for you, of hard links. I used MD5 checksums,
computed for the entire C: drive, to help locate duplicate files. This is
an example of where the backup copy of iexplore.exe is stored for later.
The program loader does not normally execute content from WinSXS. It's
intended purely as an archive. It is termed a "maintenance directory"
intended for installation programs to perform maintenance on the
content in the system.

b015ecd030da9a979e6d1a3d25f8fd86 Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe
b015ecd030da9a979e6d1a3d25f8fd86 Windows/WinSxS/amd64_microsoft-windows-i..etexplorer-optional_31bf3856ad364e35_11.0.9600.17037_none_9c9 6ea4690a6d345/iexplore.exe

And that's how the file can be brought back later. By hard linking from WinSXS store,
into the Program Files area. Hard linking saves space, with two file points
and one set of data clusters for the file.

I don't give a rat's ass what Microsoft claims. I try to find
evidence for what happens when you click buttons in Windows,
and work from there.

1) Windows Components removed iexplore.exe but does not
remove the original in WinSXS. That makes it harder for the
program to be run for any random reason.

2) The Program Defaults control makes fewer changes. It
leaves iexplore.exe in the Program Files area, and it is
then possible for the program to be executed by other programs
that know the name.

That still does not answer your question (if I can even remember
what your question was). The ingredients are there, if you
use Default Programs, for iexplore.exe to be run (somehow).
All it takes is any program invoking its name, and the
program will be found. While certain file associations
may have been removed, nothing prevents a program from
saying "shazam" and the IE window will appear.

You can use Process Explorer and Process Monitor, if you
want to log what is happening in your particular case.
And figure out an answer to your question. I can't do that
here, because I don't have any email set up in Windows 8.
My Windows 8 install is basically only used for
these little experiments. That's why it doesn't have
Start8 or ClassicShell in it, to spoil the "purity".

HTH,
Paul

Caver1 wrote, On 5/12/2014 7:34 AM:
On 05/12/2014 03:09 AM, ...winston wrote:
Nil wrote, On 5/12/2014 1:26 AM:
On 11 May 2014, "...winston" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...t-Explorer-off



Lol...Titles can be misleading....try clicking on the links that
tell you what to do. None of them say anything about IE (just
generic information on setting program defaults or turning off a
few Windows features).

If the title is misleading, then Microsoft is being intentionally
misleading or deceitful. I understand that you're a shill for
Microsoft, but even you must admit that the title of the article,
"How to turn Internet Explorer off" and its accompanying verbiage
leaves no room for any other interpretation.

Are you saying that Internet Explorer is *NOT* one of the features
that can be disabled from the 'enable Windows features' dialog? I
don't have a Windows 7 or 8 box available to check now. It is listed
there in XP.


The title is misleading.
If it said how to turn off features that use Internet Explorer 11 then
it would be more accurate.

The first article definitely tells you that you can and what will be
done if you do disable IE. And says nothing about features of IE. Any
ways you said in your post
"
That link only provides details on turning off Printing and Document
Services"
Whic one is it? printing and Documents or IE features? Better learn how
to remember what lie you told to whom.

XP is no longer relevant.

If it only talks about "IE features/Printing and Documents" why do you
bring up XP? It states that that option has been around since XP not the
relevancy of XP now. In other words since XP was available you and ones
like you have been lying to everybody.

IE is an integral component of Windows, it can't be turned off or
disabled only features that use it. Good luck finding all of them.


Lies again. Microsoft says you can. So who's the lier, YOU or Microsoft?
I disable IE add Windows works just fine with it disabled.


Since you've chosen to take a non-professional route I'll clue you in on
your misunderstanding but beyond that don't expect anything else.

What's professional about lying?

Re-read any of my posts..nowhere have I enticed or encouraged anyone to
use Microsoft products.




Having trouble following what other people write
- Hint - look at the quoting prefix () to determine who referenced it
(XP).

Eventually you'll figure out what doesn't work or maybe even find that
IE has been turned back on.

I do have to commend you on doing such a good job of hindering your
welcome in this forum. Well done!



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Alias wrote, On 5/12/2014 5:26 AM:
...winston wrote:
Caver1 wrote, On 5/11/2014 12:12 PM:


I don't think you can uninstall IE 11 as there is no reference to IE 11
in Program and Settings in the uninstall programs part. Also IE 11 was
built for Windows 8. Will IE 10 work in 8 I don't know. Microsoft also
stated that they would be offering IE 11 to Windows 7 users in the
future sometime.


IE10 was included in Windows 8.0
IE11 was included in Windows 8.1

IE11 has already been released for Windows 7 (6 months ago i.e. last
year)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=40902




I think we're dealing with a troll, Winston. He doesn't want help. He
knows it all; just ask him.


He does deserve a commendation g...for alienating a larger majority of
folks in this forum which afiacs validates your assessment.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Caver1 wrote, On 5/12/2014 1:00 PM:

I still would like to know why IE is still loading when it has been
disabled. And how it's doing it since there is no exe file for it to be
found since it was disabled.


IE is very hardy. Windows needs it. Other MSFT applications need it.



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Silver Slimer wrote, On 5/12/2014 9:13 AM:

There's a product key sticker on your computer. Look for it. If it's
Windows 8, your best bet is to go into the Preferences and simply click
on the option which allows you to clean the computer (including all of
the programs) to restart from scratch. Its exact name escapes me at the
moment. To get there, go into the start menu, move your cursor to the
top-right corner, then down. A menu will appear on the right side and
the last option at the bottom will bring you to the preferences which
bring you to that area.



The three Windows 8 provided options are Refresh, Restore, Reset your pc.

The latter would be equivalent to starting from scratch.
- though that will also re-enable IE

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 05/12/2014 11:51 AM, Phantom Post wrote:
Caver1 wrote in :

Remember I said that I had never seen Windows 8. Saying such How was I
to know. In fact I said "I don't know"



I think we're dealing with a troll, Winston. He doesn't want help. He
knows it all; just ask him.


Why do you think I am here?

I dunno. It's a Windows 8 newsgroup. Why ARE you here?


There is no 8.1 group and alot of the functions are the same as 8.
thought I might get some decent answers here.

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Caver1

On Mon, 12 May 2014 17:53:47 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

You don't have to buy a full new copy of Windows. If you haven't made
an installation DVD yourself there are plenty of people on Ebay


It is not a good idea to buy from Ebay. If the machine was from
Toshiba, then Toshiba can send you the recovery disks. If the machine
is from DELL then it is still possible to create the recovery disks.
Recovery disks can be created even at this late stage.

In my case it proved to be a perfectly good idea because it was quick
and cheap to obtain a disk, and it works perfectly well. The laptop
isn't Dell, and the disk appears to be generic, or at least there is
no branding and no sign of the spurious "utilities" you usually get
with an operating system that has been preinstalled by a computer
manufacturer. Presumably using the version on a system restore
partition would also restore all this junk as well as Windows.

Rod.

On 05/12/2014 12:27 PM, Alias wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
Where have I refused Help? Show me.

I advised you to reinstall Windows. You refused to do so.

"
What you said was "Reinstall Windows before you f**& it up even more"

That was a very inflammatory statement so why should I listen to you?

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 12:27 PM, Alias wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
Where have I refused Help? Show me.

I advised you to reinstall Windows. You refused to do so.


1. That didn't answer the question as to why.
2. All I could do is restore from a set point or set back to factory
defaults. Since this began before any changes were made neither of them
would do any good.

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Caver1

On 12 May 2014, "...winston" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

The title is misleading.
If it said how to turn off features that use Internet Explorer 11
then it would be more accurate.

XP is no longer relevant.

IE is an integral component of Windows, it can't be turned off or
disabled only features that use it. Good luck finding all of
them.

Since you've chosen to take a non-professional route I'll clue you
in on your misunderstanding but beyond that don't expect anything
else.

Re-read any of my posts..nowhere have I enticed or encouraged
anyone to use Microsoft products.

Well, this is just serves to demonstrate my point. XP is extremely
relevant to millions of people who use it daily, and it will be
relevant for years to come. The only people who loudly proclaim XP to
be "NOT RELEVANT!" is Microsoft's marketing department and those who
support them.

I would say that the article is not "misleading", It unambiguously says
exactly what it means by "turn Internet Explorer off." If the
instructions that the article suggests don't work, then the title of
the article is an out-and-out lie. For you to call it merely
"misleading" is the most cynical of marketing-type cream-puffery.

On 05/12/2014 12:52 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 07:45:44 -0400, Caver1
wrote:


When you buy a computer with Windows preinstalled you no longer get a
Windows iso disk and with the OEM version you cannot just download it.
You have to buy it. Why should I buy something again that I have already
paid for?


Sorry, that's not at all true. No need to buy any such thing. When you
buy a computer with Windows preinstalled you get a recovery partition.
That partition can be used to used to reinstall Windows and it also
can be (*should* be) used to burn an installation DVD from it.


That's true to set it back to factory defaults. I was wrong. And I did
burn a copy,

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 12:53 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 12/05/2014 14:05, Roderick Stewart wrote:
You don't have to buy a full new copy of Windows. If you haven't made
an installation DVD yourself there are plenty of people on Ebay


It is not a good idea to buy from Ebay. If the machine was from
Toshiba, then Toshiba can send you the recovery disks. If the machine
is from DELL then it is still possible to create the recovery disks.
Recovery disks can be created even at this late stage. All you need is
to ask a specific question either here or on Microsoft Forums. I feel
sorry for the OP. The guy wants help and people have started attacking
him for nothing. I also feel guilty in this because I didn't understand
his original question. I thi9nk the OP should start a new thread about
recovering his computer and we can all start helping him. This thread
is contaminated with all sorts of industry language and it undermines
the help we are trying to give here.






I thank you for that response.
How do I know the recovery disks would do any good as this problem
started from the very first.
That's why I came here to see if there might be another solution first.

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 01:06 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 12/05/2014 18:00, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 09:05 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
You don't have to buy a full new copy of Windows. If you haven't made
an installation DVD yourself there are plenty of people on Ebay
offering these for a much smaller sum reflecting just the cost of
printing and posting the disk, but without an activation code. If your
previously installed copy of Windows 8 was already activated, then you
should find that the new installation is also. I think the activation
information is either stored in the BIOS or obtained from Microsoft
when it goes online to check

From what I understand it's in the BIOS.
.

This is what I used when I replaced the hard drive in a laptop with a
solid state drive, and it works just fine. A big advantage of a
completely fresh install on a blank drive is the avoidance of the
crapware that comes with any system installed by a manufacturer. If
you install it yourself you only install what you want to install.

Yes a clean install would be nice. At the same time those on Ebay
aren't "legal" copies. Dell doesn't put any bloatware on their
computers any more.At least my wife's new Dell doesn't have any.
Istill would like to know why IE is still loading when it has been
disabled. And how it's doing it since there is no exe file for it to
be found since it was diabled.



For dell try this link:

https://www.dell.com/support/diagnostics/us/en/19/nondiagnostichome

You have to be US resident for this to work.




Thanks. Don't really need them as there is the restore partition and I
have already burnt them. Dell must have just started this fairly
recently as they have always refused to in the past unless you bought.
Being that they would be new ones, not what was provided with the
laptop I would probably trust them a little more. As the problem start
before any changes were made.
Thank you for the civility you show.

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 01:14 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 12/05/2014 18:00, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 09:05 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
You don't have to buy a full new copy of Windows. If you haven't made
an installation DVD yourself there are plenty of people on Ebay
offering these for a much smaller sum reflecting just the cost of
printing and posting the disk, but without an activation code. If your
previously installed copy of Windows 8 was already activated, then you
should find that the new installation is also. I think the activation
information is either stored in the BIOS or obtained from Microsoft
when it goes online to check

From what I understand it's in the BIOS.
.

This is what I used when I replaced the hard drive in a laptop with a
solid state drive, and it works just fine. A big advantage of a
completely fresh install on a blank drive is the avoidance of the
crapware that comes with any system installed by a manufacturer. If
you install it yourself you only install what you want to install.

Yes a clean install would be nice. At the same time those on Ebay
aren't "legal" copies. Dell doesn't put any bloatware on their
computers any more.At least my wife's new Dell doesn't have any.
Istill would like to know why IE is still loading when it has been
disabled. And how it's doing it since there is no exe file for it to
be found since it was diabled.


You might also want to read this:

http://dellwindowsreinstallationguide.com/a-clean-install-of-windows/windows-8-1-installation/





Good site I bookmarked it. I went straight to Dell.com and searched for
many terms and never once was there a referral to that site. Also at
first I was looking for a solution to the problem and not a rienstall
at the time as I didn't want to unless all else failed.

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 01:18 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-05-12 01:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 09:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:



How is trying to find a solution to a problem being a solution being a
troll? So me one place that I posted misinformation.
Believe what you want. It doesn't change the truth.

Generally, a knowledgeable computer user would have figured out how to
do this on their own and not even required any help in the first place.



Never said I knew everything about computers. I do have a fair
knowledge of computers. This is the first time I have gone to a
newsgroup or a forum to help solve a problem in Windows.

Either way, a full reinstallation with optical media is probably not
necessary. Restarting from scratch using only the features Windows 8
puts at your disposal is likely to be enough.


Agreed. When I started this thread I wanted to see if there was a way to
fix the problem without restoring Factory defaults.


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Caver1