Next version of Windows is...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:51:05 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

[snip]

Maybe the intention is to name it after the decade in which it was
created, so in 2020 or shortly thereafter, the next version will be
called "Windows 20", meaning "Windows for the 20s".

1) Do you really think Microsoft would be happy with people using
Windows 20 for ten years?

2) It could be read as being Windows for people in their 20s.

You saw it here first.

In that vein, there is this:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/261...indows-10.html
Microsoft skips 'too good' Windows 9, jumps to Windows 10
Deeming Windows 9 'too good to release,' Microsoft execs shelve
follow-up to Windows 8 and proceed to Windows 10
Pete Babb
InfoWorld | Apr 1, 2013
[This is an April Fools' story. It is fiction, though it contains
facts. -- Ed.]

opening text:

If you've been looking forward to Windows 9, the OS that will fix what
Windows 8 got wrong, you're in for a surprise: There will be no
Windows 9. Instead, Microsoft announced it will proceed directly to
Windows 10.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/14 10:16 AM, John Doe wrote:
If you were a gamer, you would know... Obviously it's a big enough
market. Also, if you look at hardware prices, there is no end in
sight to the improvements. They still sell outrageously expensive
video cards (and CPUs, etc). And those outrageously expensive
components of today soon become the cheapo components of tomorrow.

It's the same argument as yesterday... Personal computers were
going to replace minis and mainframes. That never happened. And
it's the same with portables and ultraportables.

However, one thing that might happen if Microsoft continues to sit
on its laurels while innovation thrives in the tablet market, is
that the tablet operating system might become complex and
eventually do all the things a desktop PC operating system can do.
At which time I guess it could be ported to the PC. At least that
was my theory. But the power thing will hold that back for a long
while. Google isn't going to be writing software to enable the
tablet to do things that it cannot do.

Actually, I think the Android system can already do that. It's just a
version of Linux, which can be installed on a desktop.

As a favor to everyone here, please square away you quoting and replying
process.


Now you've done it! Time for a header post.

BTW, you didn't remove the troll's cross-posting.

On 10/2/2014 9:44 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

What does make sense to me is people who have a
laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them
a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home.
But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect
that those are the people who *really* need their
computer for business.

A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill
something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it.

I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have
happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would
you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter?

There's chances yet!

I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a
laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very
common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop
keyboard.

My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or
food at your desk policy.

On 10/2/2014 2:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

What does make sense to me is people who have a
laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them
a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home.
But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect
that those are the people who *really* need their
computer for business.

A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill
something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it.

I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have
happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would
you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter?


I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never
happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I
drive?


Don't wear one. It's your head. lol

| It should be noted that even open-source projects like Firefox have done
| this. Each of Chrome's releases jumped a version number no matter how
| insignificant the changes were so Firefox followed suit. That's why
| Chrome and Firefox are both in their 30s right now.
|

As I remember it, IE skipped v. 3 and/or maybe v. 2,
to get even to Netscape, but I don't remember FF
ever skipping a version. They're over v. 30 simply
because they've got carried away with updating,
defining it as a constant process. I've even seen
talk about doing away with numbers and having a
steady stream of self-updating. Google is pouring
money down their throats so fast that they've gone
batty.

I think that OSS is actually far worse than commercial
software on that score. Commercial software needs
to be stable, usable and backward compatible. OSS is
often someone's hobby. Linux versions and WINE are
two examples of OSS that update so often as to be
almost unusable. WINE updates every 10 days and has
done so for over 15 years. Yet they're at the opposite
extreme with version numbers. I think it was over 10
years before they reached v. 1. The Linux geeks like
to keep it beta, so they have an excuse to keep changing
things around.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:22:48 -0400, Ron wrote:

On 10/2/2014 1:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:42:24 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Is there anyone here that can type as fast or faster on a
tablet/smartphone screen as they can on a keyboard? I suspect not.

It's not exactly typing, but I can input text faster on my smartphone than I
can on a desktop or laptop PC. That's because my smartphone has voice
recognition capability, and I can speak faster than I can type.



I hope you don't do that in restaurants.

Thanks, that made me laugh.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:25:34 -0400, Ron wrote:

[re Under The Dome]
It was meant to be a miniseries but its popularity keeps
it going. I don't know how long they can keep this going, surely it
can't last more than another season or two.

Since the story is based on a novel it does have an ending and that
ending is coming next season.

Does it make any sense?

Rod.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:35:40 -0400, Ron wrote:

I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a
laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very
common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop
keyboard.

My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or
food at your desk policy.

Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any
attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had
hardly any workers left.

Rod.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 11:25:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

Maybe the intention is to name it after the decade in which it was
created, so in 2020 or shortly thereafter, the next version will be
called "Windows 20", meaning "Windows for the 20s".

1) Do you really think Microsoft would be happy with people using
Windows 20 for ten years?

Their most successful version ever has lasted 13 years, but if they're
not happy with that, they could always bring out a "Windows 25", then
"Windows 30", and so on. In other words, back to the scheme they began
with Windows 95. Some things don't need to be re-invented.

Rod.

On 10/2/2014 5:55 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:25:34 -0400, Ron wrote:

[re Under The Dome]
It was meant to be a miniseries but its popularity keeps
it going. I don't know how long they can keep this going, surely it
can't last more than another season or two.

Since the story is based on a novel it does have an ending and that
ending is coming next season.

Does it make any sense?

I haven't read it and have stayed away from anything that might spoil
the show.

On 10/2/14 10:38 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:55:15 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to
show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than
those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks.

That's true for me. I am far more productive doing one thing at a
time. Even trivial distractions slow me down. Just now the couple
chatting in the next room is slowing me typing this message because I
keep have to stop so I can hear what they are saying.

Quite so, and the same re multiple desktops. How many things is it
necessary to have simultaneously at one's fingertips, and what's wrong
with standard keyboard shortcuts on a modern PC than can load any
required application in less than 2 seconds?

Just because it loads the application in less than 2 seconds, does that
timeframe include the file user needs also? I would think a combo of
hardware and the particular software would have an effect on that timeframe.

As for multiple desktops, or other methods of using/operating a
computer, what works for you won't work for everyone. Multiple desktops
work for me. I know your way would drive me up the wall! LOL

I am surprised, after all these years, the discussion of what is the
best way to use/operate a computer is still being brought up. :-)


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 10/2/14 11:15 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 08:42:24 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Is there anyone here that can type as fast or faster on a
tablet/smartphone screen as they can on a keyboard? I suspect not.

It's not exactly typing, but I can input text faster on my smartphone than I
can on a desktop or laptop PC. That's because my smartphone has voice
recognition capability, and I can speak faster than I can type.

How many errors? :-) And what about there/their/they're, and
right/write/Wright? And what if you were in a group of, say 10 people,
and all were using voice recognition? Would yo want that in a work
environment?

Yea, being picky, Char. LOL I'll admit there is a place for speech
recognition, but I doubt it will replace typing.

OH! Another thought... What if you're in bed with your significant
other, and your speech input wakes the SO? Will you be on the sofa? G


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 10/2/14 1:33 PM, Ron wrote:
On 10/2/2014 1:29 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/14 10:16 AM, John Doe wrote:
If you were a gamer, you would know... Obviously it's a big enough
market. Also, if you look at hardware prices, there is no end in
sight to the improvements. They still sell outrageously expensive
video cards (and CPUs, etc). And those outrageously expensive
components of today soon become the cheapo components of tomorrow.

It's the same argument as yesterday... Personal computers were
going to replace minis and mainframes. That never happened. And
it's the same with portables and ultraportables.

However, one thing that might happen if Microsoft continues to sit
on its laurels while innovation thrives in the tablet market, is
that the tablet operating system might become complex and
eventually do all the things a desktop PC operating system can do.
At which time I guess it could be ported to the PC. At least that
was my theory. But the power thing will hold that back for a long
while. Google isn't going to be writing software to enable the
tablet to do things that it cannot do.

Actually, I think the Android system can already do that. It's just a
version of Linux, which can be installed on a desktop.

As a favor to everyone here, please square away you quoting and replying
process.


Now you've done it! Time for a header post.

BTW, you didn't remove the troll's cross-posting.

Actually, I think I did. :-) Note in my post here, only this newsgroup
is listed. I did a separate post for the Win7 group. And no replies to
the other newsgroups listed in his posts.

We should all just get smart, and just ignore his replies by not replying.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 23:04:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 11:25:37 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

Maybe the intention is to name it after the decade in which it was
created, so in 2020 or shortly thereafter, the next version will be
called "Windows 20", meaning "Windows for the 20s".

1) Do you really think Microsoft would be happy with people using
Windows 20 for ten years?

Their most successful version ever has lasted 13 years, but if they're
not happy with that, they could always bring out a "Windows 25", then
"Windows 30", and so on. In other words, back to the scheme they began
with Windows 95. Some things don't need to be re-invented.

No, they want less.

True, but Microsoft is not listening.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 17:27:03 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 13:35:37 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 10/1/14 1:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:


All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays
(not to mention also tablets.)


Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or
laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as
I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used
instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and
lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a
laptop is inferior to a desktop:

It's more expensive to buy
It's less upgradable
Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing
replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a
serviceman
It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped
and broken
It's more expensive to repair
It's more easily stolen
The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and
harder to see

Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my
mind quickly.

Agreed with one exception... For some users, owning two computers to
do the same thing simply is not justifiable from a practical and
financial perspective.


True, but chances are that those who can afford to travel can also
afford a second computer.

are taking a laptop to classes, the lab, the library, to a friend's or
parents' house, to the campus mall, forms of travel?

F.