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Old June 12th 13, 09:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

I have a new Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7
Professional, SP1,with Spywareblaster, Avast,
and Windows firewall.
1 TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system


I usually check for updates and run CCleaner,
Defraggler at least once a week. Yesterday
while running Defraggler I noticed that my
used spaced increased during the process which
is something I have never seen before.

When I bought the computer 2 months ago it had
60GB of used space but that number has now risen
to 73.4GB! I've added some files but not 13.4GB!

I keep my computer as simple and clean as I can,
and no games but I don't understand why Defraggler
is doing this and over time this is going eat up
my HD.

So my question is how can I stop Defraggler
from eating up my HD and is there a way to recover
the 13.4 GBG?


Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert
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Old June 12th 13, 09:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
David H. Lipman
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

From:

I have a new Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7
Professional, SP1,with Spywareblaster, Avast,
and Windows firewall.
1 TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system

I usually check for updates and run CCleaner,
Defraggler at least once a week. Yesterday
while running Defraggler I noticed that my
used spaced increased during the process which
is something I have never seen before.

When I bought the computer 2 months ago it had
60GB of used space but that number has now risen
to 73.4GB! I've added some files but not 13.4GB!

I keep my computer as simple and clean as I can,
and no games but I don't understand why Defraggler
is doing this and over time this is going eat up
my HD.

So my question is how can I stop Defraggler
from eating up my HD and is there a way to recover
the 13.4 GBG?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


I'm sorry but based upon all previous discussions I have to ask whey are you
even using Defraggler and not just the built-in capability ?

Why are you using CCleaner ? You just got the PC.


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Old June 12th 13, 09:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

wrote:
I have a new Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7
Professional, SP1,with Spywareblaster, Avast,
and Windows firewall.
1 TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system


I usually check for updates and run CCleaner,
Defraggler at least once a week. Yesterday
while running Defraggler I noticed that my
used spaced increased during the process which
is something I have never seen before.

When I bought the computer 2 months ago it had
60GB of used space but that number has now risen
to 73.4GB! I've added some files but not 13.4GB!

I keep my computer as simple and clean as I can,
and no games but I don't understand why Defraggler
is doing this and over time this is going eat up
my HD.

So my question is how can I stop Defraggler
from eating up my HD and is there a way to recover
the 13.4 GBG?


Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


This is a hint for you.

http://www.piriform.com/docs/defragg...run-defraggler

"I ran Defraggler on my Windows Vista/7 PC and now
I've lost one or more System Restore points.

This is a known issue with Windows Vista/7 and
third-party defragmentation tools such as Defraggler.
The problem occurs when the amount of disk space
set aside for System Restore is too low.

Advanced users can clear out old System Restore
points ('volume shadow copies') to make more room
using this procedure."

So what that tells you, is Defraggler is triggering
tracking of the file changes it is making, and System
Restore is making copies of *each* defragmented file.

It's true, that "clearing out the old System Restore points",
will recover the space, but that is a stupid thing to do.
Better to use a defragmenter, that does not have an issue
with System Restore. Then, there is no mess to clean up.

And no, I don't have a list of defragmenters that work right :-)

Just a guess,
Paul
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Old June 13th 13, 01:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

Paul wrote:
wrote:
I have a new Dell XPS 8500, with Windows 7 Professional, SP1,with
Spywareblaster, Avast,
and Windows firewall.
1 TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB System type : 64-bit operating system

I usually check for updates and run CCleaner,
Defraggler at least once a week. Yesterday
while running Defraggler I noticed that my used spaced increased
during the process which
is something I have never seen before.
When I bought the computer 2 months ago it had
60GB of used space but that number has now risen
to 73.4GB! I've added some files but not 13.4GB!

I keep my computer as simple and clean as I can,
and no games but I don't understand why Defraggler
is doing this and over time this is going eat up
my HD.
So my question is how can I stop Defraggler from eating up my HD and
is there a way to recover
the 13.4 GBG?


Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


This is a hint for you.

http://www.piriform.com/docs/defragg...run-defraggler


"I ran Defraggler on my Windows Vista/7 PC and now
I've lost one or more System Restore points.

This is a known issue with Windows Vista/7 and
third-party defragmentation tools such as Defraggler.
The problem occurs when the amount of disk space
set aside for System Restore is too low.

Advanced users can clear out old System Restore
points ('volume shadow copies') to make more room
using this procedure."

So what that tells you, is Defraggler is triggering
tracking of the file changes it is making, and System
Restore is making copies of *each* defragmented file.

It's true, that "clearing out the old System Restore points",
will recover the space, but that is a stupid thing to do.
Better to use a defragmenter, that does not have an issue
with System Restore. Then, there is no mess to clean up.

And no, I don't have a list of defragmenters that work right :-)

Just a guess,
Paul


This will give you a list to work from, if you want
to try some other ones out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ation_software

Paul
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Old June 13th 13, 06:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

I always thought these were better products. I
had them on the 8200 and thought I would just
use them on the 8500. From your question, I
shouldn't?


Robert
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Old June 13th 13, 06:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler


According to David I shouldn't be using either Ccleaner
or Defraggler but just stick with what the computer came
with but I don't even know what that's called, whether its
automatic or where it's located?

Robert
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Old June 13th 13, 06:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

I've uninstalled CcCleaner and Defraggler.


Robert

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Old June 13th 13, 06:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

wrote:
According to David I shouldn't be using either Ccleaner
or Defraggler but just stick with what the computer came
with but I don't even know what that's called, whether its
automatic or where it's located?

Robert


"How to Use Windows 7 Disk Defragmenter"

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-open-use.html

"Open the Start Menu, and double click on to expand All Programs,
Accessories, System Tools, and click on Disk Defragmenter."

If you leave the computer running regularly, into the wee hours
when Windows has "maintenance" activity scheduled, it can do
things like defragmentation on its own. That's what the "scheduled"
part of this dialog is for. On my Windows 7 machine, it would
not normally be running at 3 A.M., so I miss that maintenance
window.

But if you just want to run the thing manually, there are buttons
at the bottom.

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...-use-step2.jpg

The method used, is entirely unique in terms of experience. Gone
is the nice display with a graphical representation of files
that are fragmented or not. The reason for that, is because the
tool will not defragment files larger than 50MB, the display would
look "ugly" when it was finished. To hide the ugliness, there is
no display.

There is a status that shows "passes", that seems to go on forever.
It might seem a bit more efficient than what you're used to.

The purpose of only defragmenting small files, is based on
measurements of what is and what is not important to performance.
So the built-in defragmenter is not the usual kind of "polishing"
application. It doesn't seek visual perfection in terms of where
the red, green, blue bars or blocks would normally be located.
It seeks instead, to tidy up the parts of the disk that are
important to tidy up. And nothing more. Because it doesn't
defragment everything, it ends up being faster than
traditional tools. Whereas I've had the WinXP defragmenter take more
than eight hours to run on a volume, a more usual time for
the Windows 7 one might be ten minutes.

The philosophy on CHKDSK is a bit different too. And the documentation
on that is hard to find. There is a claim that data structures in the
file system, are checked while the system is running, meaning that
fewer latent errors should accumulate in the NTFS file systems. You
can still run CHKDSK manually if you want, for reassurance. And
the new CHKDSK has a bad habit - it will eat all the RAM on the machine.
If you have an 8GB memory on the computer, the new CHKDSK (64 bit version),
will eat around 7GB of it. The way to stop that, is to obtain a 32 bit
copy of CHKDSK and run that instead, as that cannot (by design) gobble
more than 2GB of memory. Now, if I hadn't mentioned that, you might not
have even noticed, but I think it's important to understand that flaw is
present in it. People who have tried to CHKDSK four partitions
at the same time, found their machine became almost non-responsive,
due to the appetite the CHKDSK program has. The older versions of
CHDDSK, were not as presumptuous as this. They had a smaller
appetite.

One way to get the 32 bit CHKDSK, is to look on a 32 bit installer DVD.
I keep both 32 bit and 64 bit DVD images of Win7 and Win8 here, for
precisely this reason. Any time I need a particular "flavor" of executable,
I have it on hand. Since I don't do a lot of CHKDSK though, this isn't
a priority with me - at the time the issue was raised, I tested it and
was satisfied with my workaround (2GB limitation by using the 32 bit
version). The need hasn't arisen on Windows 8 yet, for me to test it.
Who knows, maybe the designers at Redmond, had a change of heart.

HTH,
Paul
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Old June 13th 13, 10:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

wrote:
I always thought these were better products. I
had them on the 8200 and thought I would just
use them on the 8500. From your question, I
shouldn't?


Robert


It's up to you what you use .
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Old June 13th 13, 12:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
David H. Lipman
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From:

I always thought these were better products. I
had them on the 8200 and thought I would just
use them on the 8500. From your question, I
shouldn't?


Robert


If you were someone , here, answering questions and had thorough OS knowledge - no
problem.

However you have shown that you are not that knowledgeable and that you have a new PC a
with a new OS (to you) and I don't think it is a good idea to use 3rd party software to
"tweak" the OS so soon after its acquisition.


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Old June 13th 13, 01:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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David H. Lipman wrote:
From:

I always thought these were better products. I
had them on the 8200 and thought I would just
use them on the 8500. From your question, I
shouldn't?


Robert


If you were someone , here, answering questions and had thorough OS knowledge - no
problem.

However you have shown that you are not that knowledgeable and that you have a new PC a
with a new OS (to you) and I don't think it is a good idea to use 3rd party software to
"tweak" the OS so soon after its acquisition.


There is another way you could answer this question.

The OP had the 8200 running WinXP and the 8500 running Windows 7.

The OSes come with an Upgrade Advisor, which you can get
in advance. In this case, you would run the following
tool on the 8200, to get some idea whether the software
programs on the 8200 would be "compatible" when run on
the 8500 with its Windows 7 OS.

"Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor"

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...ils.aspx?id=20

The compatibility rating is very rough, in that there
could be cases where a software application does work
pretty well on the new platform. It might be only a
tiny aspect which is not compatible (something not
a lot of people use in it). The database of information
Microsoft collects, isn't exactly a precise review of
what works or doesn't work, when a program is moved
to the new OS.

So while you do get a nice list, it's mainly for
the amusement value. If you want to run the software
bad enough, you end up installing and testing it
anyway. If the old version really doesn't work, then
you end up buying, installing, and testing a newer version.

Paul
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Old June 13th 13, 07:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

Everyone has their own forte, and I never
claimed that I was computer literate. I've
tried to do my best from the advice I get
here.

Robert
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Old June 13th 13, 07:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default O.T. - Problem with Defraggler

It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and
most people don't know this level of information or
are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the
computer. I don't want to mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean.

Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user
friendly?

Robert
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Old June 13th 13, 08:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
David H. Lipman
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From:

It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and
most people don't know this level of information or
are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the
computer. I don't want to mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean.

Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user
friendly?

Robert


They work well enough for ordinary use.

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Old June 13th 13, 08:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote in message
...
It sounds as if Microsoft's version of System Tools
Scan disk, Chkdsk and Defrag)aren't that great and
most people don't know this level of information or
are aware of it.

It seems there's allot to just maintaining the
computer. I don't want to mess up this computer but
at the same time I would like some maintenance programs
to keep it clean.


Clean of what? Malware? Viruses? Best solution for that is to avoid
browsing questionable sites. At least some browsers now have the capacity
to warn you of questionable sites. Be sure to keep your anti-virus program'
definitions up to date too.

If by "clean", you mean a registry free of extraneous entries then my best
advice to you is to just leave it alone. A bit of extra won't hurt anything.

Same goes for defragging. True it may take a tiny bit more time to access
something that is fragmented but that time is so small you could never
measure it. Other than that, there is no reason to defragment a drive. Oh,
OK, the extra thrashing might cut a bit of time off the drive's life but -
again - that would be very small.

Again, I thought computers were suppose to be user friendly?


They are, relatively so, if you use them as a consumer. If one tries to be
an IT guy without the necessary knowledge, they could be formidable.

Really, Robert, the best things you can do are to make an image of the new
machine once you have it set up and then to leave it (the machine) alone.
Don't mess with it and things will go smoothly for you.

dadiOH




 




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