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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
Jason wrote:
This is strange. I have a password for my pst folder. When I first start Outlook after booting, it opens without asking for a password, displaying all the folders. If I close it and re-open later, it asks for the pw. Any ideas why it behaves like this? This article is old, but suggests there may be a setting in Outlook to make it prompt you. http://www.petri.com/configure_outlo...pas sword.htm Paul |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:27:00 -0500 "Paul" wrote in
article = This article is old, but suggests there may be a setting in Outlook to make it prompt you. http://www.petri.com/configure_outlo...pas sword.htm Paul Thanks, Paul. Outlook is set up to prompt for a password, and it does so *except* the first time I run Outlook after starting Windows. Every other time 'til shutdown, it asks... |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
Jason wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:27:00 -0500 "Paul" wrote in article = This article is old, but suggests there may be a setting in Outlook to make it prompt you. http://www.petri.com/configure_outlo...pas sword.htm Paul Thanks, Paul. Outlook is set up to prompt for a password, and it does so *except* the first time I run Outlook after starting Windows. Every other time 'til shutdown, it asks... Sounds like a credential override on first use with the stored password tied to and retained for the user logon authentication. A subsequent Outlook closure/open thus not loading the previously used credential...which if that makes sense would seem that if the Windows profile is logged off without restarting (or shutdown/restart) Windows then the same would occur - no password prompt on first OL use but thereafter until user logoff or shutdown. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 23:10:58 -0500 ". . .winston"
wrote in article Sounds like a credential override on first use with the stored password tied to and retained for the user logon authentication. A subsequent Outlook closure/open thus not loading the previously used credential...which if that makes sense would seem that if the Windows profile is logged off without restarting (or shutdown/restart) Windows then the same would occur - no password prompt on first OL use but thereafter until user logoff or shutdown. Well, the .pst pw is not the same as my logon pw. Perhaps I misunderstood your reply. Are you saying that other credentials are or can be stored with the logon credentials for my account? |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:26:34 +1300 "Dave Doe" wrote in
article Sure can. Control Panel, User Accounts, Credential Manager (and yes, there will almost assuredly be one, or more for your Outlook). Thanks. I learned something. But I didn't find Outlook in there anywhere Jason |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
Jason wrote:
This is strange. I have a password for my pst folder. When I first start Outlook after booting, it opens without asking for a password, displaying all the folders. If I close it and re-open later, it asks for the pw. Any ideas why it behaves like this? PST password protection is weak. There are many free tools available to get the password, like Nirsoft's Mail PassView, Atomic PST Password Recovery, Elcomsoft, and, in some cases, even Microsoft's pst19upg.exe utility. It was designed more as a nuisance method of protection, like the wire "lock" on electric meters that is easily cut with a wire snips, than of really protecting the content of the .pst file. Since you're talking about a .pst file, you're using POP to access your e-mail accounts. IMAP, Outlook Hotmail Connector, and EAS use .ost files and not .pst files. Besides POP accounts, do you have an Exchange account defined in Outlook? Even with "Always prompt for a password" is enabled, it only applies when making a connection to the Exchange server. If you cancel that password prompt, you can still access the other cached data for Outlook. For an Exchange account, you would have to enable the "always prompt for password" option AND disable the Cached Exchange Mode (which will impact the responsiveness of Outlook as to your view of your Exchange account). Do you have Windows configured to automatically log you in (i.e., you don't stop at a login screen when starting Windows) or do you actually have to enter your login credentials before you can get into your Windows account? Do you have more than one .pst file getting opened by Outlook? For example, if you use its auto-archive feature, you might have opened and configure Outlook to always open the archive.pst file. You can open other .pst files which will show as their own tree in the navpane. Are you using multiple mail profiles with Outlook? Go into Control Panel and run the Mail applet. Click on "Show profiles". How many are there? If more than one, is the "Prompt for a profile to be used" selected or not? I mention this because maybe one of the prompts you see isn't requesting a password but for you to elect a mail profile (which then would select which .pst file to load and maybe you have a mix of .pst files where some are password protected and some are not). |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
.. . .winston wrote:
Jason wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:27:00 -0500 "Paul" wrote in article = This article is old, but suggests there may be a setting in Outlook to make it prompt you. http://www.petri.com/configure_outlo...pas sword.htm Paul Thanks, Paul. Outlook is set up to prompt for a password, and it does so *except* the first time I run Outlook after starting Windows. Every other time 'til shutdown, it asks... Sounds like a credential override on first use with the stored password tied to and retained for the user logon authentication. A subsequent Outlook closure/open thus not loading the previously used credential...which if that makes sense would seem that if the Windows profile is logged off without restarting (or shutdown/restart) Windows then the same would occur - no password prompt on first OL use but thereafter until user logoff or shutdown. Hmm, maybe he's "shutting down" by using hibernate mode. That means the first use of Outlook is not the first use but the next use. The prior load of the password protected .pst file was already validated and cached, he hibernates, and the reload of the memory image means the .pst file is still cached so no password is needed. Then he actually unloads Outlook and later upon loading Outlook again gets the password request. However he is shutting down and then later starting Windows, the OP should look in Task Manager's processes tab to see of outlook.exe is already running. If it wasn't loaded as a startup item (e.g., a shortcut to outlook.exe in his Startup folder) then next would be to determine why outlook.exe is already running when he "first" starts Windows. |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:31:48 -0600 "VanguardLH" wrote in
article PST password protection is weak. There are many free tools available to get the password, like Nirsoft's Mail PassView, Atomic PST Password Recovery, Elcomsoft, and, in some cases, even Microsoft's pst19upg.exe utility. It was designed more as a nuisance method of protection, like the wire "lock" on electric meters that is easily cut with a wire snips, than of really protecting the content of the .pst file. I understand fully. The purpose of the pw is just to keep the "doorknob rattlers" out if I'm away from my desk. Since you're talking about a .pst file, you're using POP to access your e-mail accounts. IMAP, Outlook Hotmail Connector, and EAS use .ost files and not .pst files. Besides POP accounts, do you have an Exchange account defined in Outlook? Even with "Always prompt for a password" is enabled, it only applies when making a connection to the Exchange server. If you cancel that password prompt, you can still access the other cached data for Outlook. For an Exchange account, you would have to enable the "always prompt for password" option AND disable the Cached Exchange Mode (which will impact the responsiveness of Outlook as to your view of your Exchange account). I don't have an Exchange account enabled. (I wish Verizon supported IMAP, but it doesn't...) Do you have Windows configured to automatically log you in (i.e., you don't stop at a login screen when starting Windows) or do you actually have to enter your login credentials before you can get into your Windows account? Nope. Do you have more than one .pst file getting opened by Outlook? For example, if you use its auto-archive feature, you might have opened and configure Outlook to always open the archive.pst file. You can open other .pst files which will show as their own tree in the navpane. Just one .pst. Are you using multiple mail profiles with Outlook? Go into Control Panel and run the Mail applet. Click on "Show profiles". How many are there? If more than one, is the "Prompt for a profile to be used" selected or not? I mention this because maybe one of the prompts you see isn't requesting a password but for you to elect a mail profile (which then would select which .pst file to load and maybe you have a mix of .pst files where some are password protected and some are not). There is only one mail profile. Thanks for all your help with this. I'm not particularly enamored of Outlook. I use it because at another time it was a job requirement so I got used to it. I've tried Thunderbird and don't like it much. |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:36:09 -0600 "VanguardLH" wrote in
article Hmm, maybe he's "shutting down" by using hibernate mode. That means the first use of Outlook is not the first use but the next use. The prior load of the password protected .pst file was already validated and cached, he hibernates, and the reload of the memory image means the .pst file is still cached so no password is needed. Then he actually unloads Outlook and later upon loading Outlook again gets the password request. However he is shutting down and then later starting Windows, the OP should look in Task Manager's processes tab to see of outlook.exe is already running. If it wasn't loaded as a startup item (e.g., a shortcut to outlook.exe in his Startup folder) then next would be to determine why outlook.exe is already running when he "first" starts Windows. I very rarely do anything but a full shutdown. Unlike *ix systems I've used, I find that Windows seems to gradually rot and slow down if you don't reboot it frequently, so I start it anew each day. Jason |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:36:09 -0600 "VanguardLH" wrote in
article m74tku$rrp$1@news. If it wasn't loaded as a startup item (e.g., a shortcut to outlook.exe in his Startup folder) then next would be to determine why outlook.exe is already running when he "first" starts Windows. It's definitely not a startup item. Boot's slow enough already! (Although it's breathtakingly faster now with an SSD system drive.) |
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Outlook forgets to ask for .pst password first time it's started
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) "Dustin"
wrote in article . 145 You might also want to consider backing up your emails and/or creating a new pst file and importing your information from the old one into it. My online searching efforts seem to indicate a possible corruption issue. Either with your pst file itself, or a possible configuration issue with Outlook. Thanks, Dustin. I found some posts regarding corruption too. I guess I'll try rebuilding the .pst and see. It can't hurt! ( --famous last words! ) I have good backups. Jason |
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