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Windows 7 maintenance discontinued by MS?
On 12/1/2016 9:40 PM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 7:02 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 4:13 AM, John K.Eason wrote: In article , lid (cameo) wrote: *From:* cameo *Date:* Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:29:42 -0800 Except for Security Essential virus DB updates, I have not received any other Win7 updates since the end of June. Two important updates that I did receive since then could not be installed: Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB3162593) and Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321) 32-Bit Edition I wonder if the Win7 software module that processes these MS updates is perhaps corrupted, but I would not know how to refresh that one. I must say that even the Security Essential updates are not always successful through the Update function of the program itself, so I tend bypass the program and use the manual method (mpam-fe.exe). Can anybody give me some pointers on this issue? Thanks. Follow http://wu.krelay.de/en/ and see if that gets things running again. This German method sounds much simpler than what Paul suggested (and is way over my head,) but even here the downloaded Win7 x64 Servicing Stack Update for Sep 2016 (KB3177467) Takes forever to Search for updates on my PC. After an hour watching the progress bar I pressed the Cancel button to no avail; the progress bar still keeps going as before. BTW, what does a stack mean in this context? I know what it means for programmers (a last-in, first-out memory buffer) but that does not apply here, I guess. The following applies, if you have a .msu file in hand, and it is taking forever to install. It's basically stuck, talking to wuauserv... 1) Unplug the network cable. 2) Reboot. 3) Try to install KB3177467 using your .msu file. It should work. 4) Now, plug the network cable back in. If you have a Wifi router for the machine, just power off the router, then start at Step 2 and reboot with no network present. This recipe is simpler than some recipe involving administrator command prompt, and typing stuff in there. Some people hate stuff like that :-) Doggone it, it worked! So thanks, but now I'm not sure what's the safest way to catch up with all the missed updates. You mean Windows Update is actually listing your missing updates now ? No, no! I just didn't have any updates since the end of June and I'm sure there were many in the intervening time. Of those two KB's I did install the "Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321)" 32-bit version which contained cab files with msp. Looked like it went OK but I don't see it listed in the update history though. The other KB, the 3162593, "Update for Microsoft Silverlight" has a bunch .exe files in it and I haven't done anything with it yet because I don't know the proper order of executing them. If so, that would be a miracle. If WU works, you count how many. If the number is small, you review them one at a time. If the number is large, you take up another hobby :-) I spent around *25 working hours* patching computers here in September. Then shutting off Windows Update again. Just to give you some idea how much effort it takes to review what you are installing. I don't have a particular reason to install Cumulative Monthly updates. But maybe you'll like them, and you trust Microsoft for some reason. My level of trust in this business is pretty low, and I don't even wear a tinfoil hat. The whole thing is an unnecessary make-work project for end-users, and I disapprove of the mess that has been made. Paul Well, I would't venture to do that. |
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Solved: Windows 7 maintenance discontinued by MS?
On 12/1/2016 10:05 PM, cameo wrote:
On 12/1/2016 9:40 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 7:02 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 4:13 AM, John K.Eason wrote: In article , lid (cameo) wrote: *From:* cameo *Date:* Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:29:42 -0800 Except for Security Essential virus DB updates, I have not received any other Win7 updates since the end of June. Two important updates that I did receive since then could not be installed: Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB3162593) and Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321) 32-Bit Edition I wonder if the Win7 software module that processes these MS updates is perhaps corrupted, but I would not know how to refresh that one. I must say that even the Security Essential updates are not always successful through the Update function of the program itself, so I tend bypass the program and use the manual method (mpam-fe.exe). Can anybody give me some pointers on this issue? Thanks. Follow http://wu.krelay.de/en/ and see if that gets things running again. This German method sounds much simpler than what Paul suggested (and is way over my head,) but even here the downloaded Win7 x64 Servicing Stack Update for Sep 2016 (KB3177467) Takes forever to Search for updates on my PC. After an hour watching the progress bar I pressed the Cancel button to no avail; the progress bar still keeps going as before. BTW, what does a stack mean in this context? I know what it means for programmers (a last-in, first-out memory buffer) but that does not apply here, I guess. The following applies, if you have a .msu file in hand, and it is taking forever to install. It's basically stuck, talking to wuauserv... 1) Unplug the network cable. 2) Reboot. 3) Try to install KB3177467 using your .msu file. It should work. 4) Now, plug the network cable back in. If you have a Wifi router for the machine, just power off the router, then start at Step 2 and reboot with no network present. This recipe is simpler than some recipe involving administrator command prompt, and typing stuff in there. Some people hate stuff like that :-) Doggone it, it worked! So thanks, but now I'm not sure what's the safest way to catch up with all the missed updates. You mean Windows Update is actually listing your missing updates now ? No, no! I just didn't have any updates since the end of June and I'm sure there were many in the intervening time. Of those two KB's I did install the "Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321)" 32-bit version which contained cab files with msp. Looked like it went OK but I don't see it listed in the update history though. The other KB, the 3162593, "Update for Microsoft Silverlight" has a bunch .exe files in it and I haven't done anything with it yet because I don't know the proper order of executing them. If so, that would be a miracle. If WU works, you count how many. If the number is small, you review them one at a time. If the number is large, you take up another hobby :-) I spent around *25 working hours* patching computers here in September. Then shutting off Windows Update again. Just to give you some idea how much effort it takes to review what you are installing. I don't have a particular reason to install Cumulative Monthly updates. But maybe you'll like them, and you trust Microsoft for some reason. My level of trust in this business is pretty low, and I don't even wear a tinfoil hat. The whole thing is an unnecessary make-work project for end-users, and I disapprove of the mess that has been made. Paul Well, I would't venture to do that. I decided to go with the method described in http://wu.krelay.de/en and so far it looks it worked. After installing the KB3177467 (Servicing Stack Update September 2016) I installed KB3172605 (July 2016 Rollup) as you described: off the Internet. Then after I rebooted with the Internet connection I noticed immediately that about 30 Windows Update patches were already waiting for me to download. After downloading them I was able to install them successfully with the Internet connection on. It took a while but I am not sure if I still should also install the Monthly updates from that http://wu.krelay.de/en/ page, which in my case would be these two: KB3197867 (Security Only) and KB3197868 (Monthly Rollup.) They are supposed to be for November but what about the months between July and November? |
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Solved: Windows 7 maintenance discontinued by MS?
cameo wrote:
On 12/1/2016 10:05 PM, cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 9:40 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 7:02 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 4:13 AM, John K.Eason wrote: In article , lid (cameo) wrote: *From:* cameo *Date:* Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:29:42 -0800 Except for Security Essential virus DB updates, I have not received any other Win7 updates since the end of June. Two important updates that I did receive since then could not be installed: Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB3162593) and Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321) 32-Bit Edition I wonder if the Win7 software module that processes these MS updates is perhaps corrupted, but I would not know how to refresh that one. I must say that even the Security Essential updates are not always successful through the Update function of the program itself, so I tend bypass the program and use the manual method (mpam-fe.exe). Can anybody give me some pointers on this issue? Thanks. Follow http://wu.krelay.de/en/ and see if that gets things running again. This German method sounds much simpler than what Paul suggested (and is way over my head,) but even here the downloaded Win7 x64 Servicing Stack Update for Sep 2016 (KB3177467) Takes forever to Search for updates on my PC. After an hour watching the progress bar I pressed the Cancel button to no avail; the progress bar still keeps going as before. BTW, what does a stack mean in this context? I know what it means for programmers (a last-in, first-out memory buffer) but that does not apply here, I guess. The following applies, if you have a .msu file in hand, and it is taking forever to install. It's basically stuck, talking to wuauserv... 1) Unplug the network cable. 2) Reboot. 3) Try to install KB3177467 using your .msu file. It should work. 4) Now, plug the network cable back in. If you have a Wifi router for the machine, just power off the router, then start at Step 2 and reboot with no network present. This recipe is simpler than some recipe involving administrator command prompt, and typing stuff in there. Some people hate stuff like that :-) Doggone it, it worked! So thanks, but now I'm not sure what's the safest way to catch up with all the missed updates. You mean Windows Update is actually listing your missing updates now ? No, no! I just didn't have any updates since the end of June and I'm sure there were many in the intervening time. Of those two KB's I did install the "Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321)" 32-bit version which contained cab files with msp. Looked like it went OK but I don't see it listed in the update history though. The other KB, the 3162593, "Update for Microsoft Silverlight" has a bunch .exe files in it and I haven't done anything with it yet because I don't know the proper order of executing them. If so, that would be a miracle. If WU works, you count how many. If the number is small, you review them one at a time. If the number is large, you take up another hobby :-) I spent around *25 working hours* patching computers here in September. Then shutting off Windows Update again. Just to give you some idea how much effort it takes to review what you are installing. I don't have a particular reason to install Cumulative Monthly updates. But maybe you'll like them, and you trust Microsoft for some reason. My level of trust in this business is pretty low, and I don't even wear a tinfoil hat. The whole thing is an unnecessary make-work project for end-users, and I disapprove of the mess that has been made. Paul Well, I would't venture to do that. I decided to go with the method described in http://wu.krelay.de/en and so far it looks it worked. After installing the KB3177467 (Servicing Stack Update September 2016) I installed KB3172605 (July 2016 Rollup) as you described: off the Internet. Then after I rebooted with the Internet connection I noticed immediately that about 30 Windows Update patches were already waiting for me to download. After downloading them I was able to install them successfully with the Internet connection on. It took a while but I am not sure if I still should also install the Monthly updates from that http://wu.krelay.de/en/ page, which in my case would be these two: KB3197867 (Security Only) and KB3197868 (Monthly Rollup.) They are supposed to be for November but what about the months between July and November? When a month says it is "Cumulative", it does everything up to that date. The November one lacks "Cumulative" in the title at the top of the screen. So you would need some month(s) before that. Study the titles of each update carefully, for clues. The difference between the Security-Only and the Security packages is 30MB or so. And it is not stated what "cookies and cakes" are included in the extra content. You can study the sizes with the Catalog server for inspiration. http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB3197867 http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB3197868 Paul |
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Solved: Windows 7 maintenance discontinued by MS?
On 12/2/2016 2:29 AM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 10:05 PM, cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 9:40 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 12/1/2016 7:02 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 4:13 AM, John K.Eason wrote: In article , lid (cameo) wrote: *From:* cameo *Date:* Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:29:42 -0800 Except for Security Essential virus DB updates, I have not received any other Win7 updates since the end of June. Two important updates that I did receive since then could not be installed: Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB3162593) and Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321) 32-Bit Edition I wonder if the Win7 software module that processes these MS updates is perhaps corrupted, but I would not know how to refresh that one. I must say that even the Security Essential updates are not always successful through the Update function of the program itself, so I tend bypass the program and use the manual method (mpam-fe.exe). Can anybody give me some pointers on this issue? Thanks. Follow http://wu.krelay.de/en/ and see if that gets things running again. This German method sounds much simpler than what Paul suggested (and is way over my head,) but even here the downloaded Win7 x64 Servicing Stack Update for Sep 2016 (KB3177467) Takes forever to Search for updates on my PC. After an hour watching the progress bar I pressed the Cancel button to no avail; the progress bar still keeps going as before. BTW, what does a stack mean in this context? I know what it means for programmers (a last-in, first-out memory buffer) but that does not apply here, I guess. The following applies, if you have a .msu file in hand, and it is taking forever to install. It's basically stuck, talking to wuauserv... 1) Unplug the network cable. 2) Reboot. 3) Try to install KB3177467 using your .msu file. It should work. 4) Now, plug the network cable back in. If you have a Wifi router for the machine, just power off the router, then start at Step 2 and reboot with no network present. This recipe is simpler than some recipe involving administrator command prompt, and typing stuff in there. Some people hate stuff like that :-) Doggone it, it worked! So thanks, but now I'm not sure what's the safest way to catch up with all the missed updates. You mean Windows Update is actually listing your missing updates now ? No, no! I just didn't have any updates since the end of June and I'm sure there were many in the intervening time. Of those two KB's I did install the "Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321)" 32-bit version which contained cab files with msp. Looked like it went OK but I don't see it listed in the update history though. The other KB, the 3162593, "Update for Microsoft Silverlight" has a bunch .exe files in it and I haven't done anything with it yet because I don't know the proper order of executing them. If so, that would be a miracle. If WU works, you count how many. If the number is small, you review them one at a time. If the number is large, you take up another hobby :-) I spent around *25 working hours* patching computers here in September. Then shutting off Windows Update again. Just to give you some idea how much effort it takes to review what you are installing. I don't have a particular reason to install Cumulative Monthly updates. But maybe you'll like them, and you trust Microsoft for some reason. My level of trust in this business is pretty low, and I don't even wear a tinfoil hat. The whole thing is an unnecessary make-work project for end-users, and I disapprove of the mess that has been made. Paul Well, I would't venture to do that. I decided to go with the method described in http://wu.krelay.de/en and so far it looks it worked. After installing the KB3177467 (Servicing Stack Update September 2016) I installed KB3172605 (July 2016 Rollup) as you described: off the Internet. Then after I rebooted with the Internet connection I noticed immediately that about 30 Windows Update patches were already waiting for me to download. After downloading them I was able to install them successfully with the Internet connection on. It took a while but I am not sure if I still should also install the Monthly updates from that http://wu.krelay.de/en/ page, which in my case would be these two: KB3197867 (Security Only) and KB3197868 (Monthly Rollup.) They are supposed to be for November but what about the months between July and November? When a month says it is "Cumulative", it does everything up to that date. The November one lacks "Cumulative" in the title at the top of the screen. So you would need some month(s) before that. Study the titles of each update carefully, for clues. The difference between the Security-Only and the Security packages is 30MB or so. And it is not stated what "cookies and cakes" are included in the extra content. You can study the sizes with the Catalog server for inspiration. http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB3197867 http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....px?q=KB3197868 Paul Thanks, but from now on I just let the automatic updates take care of any missing patches as it used to be before my problems surfaced. |
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Windows 7 maintenance discontinued by MS?
On 11/26/2016 4:57 PM, Paul wrote:
cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 10:31 PM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: On 11/25/2016 1:35 AM, Paul wrote: cameo wrote: Except for Security Essential virus DB updates, I have not received any other Win7 updates since the end of June. Two important updates that I did receive since then could not be installed: Update for Microsoft Silverlight (KB3162593) and Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321) 32-Bit Edition I wonder if the Win7 software module that processes these MS updates is perhaps corrupted, but I would not know how to refresh that one. I must say that even the Security Essential updates are not always successful through the Update function of the program itself, so I tend bypass the program and use the manual method (mpam-fe.exe). Can anybody give me some pointers on this issue? Thanks. You can review your updates, and check for "successful" or "failed" status. If a "successful" instance of an update comes after a failed one, then it is fixed. If the last instance was "failed", then it needs to be fixed. https://s18.postimg.org/hbmqwnjrd/reviewyourupdates.gif You can go to catalog.update.microsoft.com and get MSU versions of updates. If you have a failed one, you go to the catalog server and download the correct version (Win7 x64 say). The trick is installing them. The MSU file, when you double-click, it starts to install. But, it wants to talk to wuauserv process on your machine, just like an update would. If wuauserv is busy, this prevents the MSU from installing efficiently. To stop this, you could stop and start wuauserv. But an easier solution is to disconnect the network cable, reboot, then install the MSU after it comes up. If you see several failed updates, you'd download all the failed ones that need repair. The MSU has an option to not reboot after it is installed, and if you're stringing several of them together, you only reboot the machine after the last one is installed. Then, you can go back and review your update history. If all looks good, and the plumbing is no longer jammed with broken updates, the update process should then finish the job of installing more updates. You'll need to connect the network cable again, before this will happen. For large numbers of updates, the "wusa.exe" program is what installs an MSU. You can script the installs of all the MSUs, then walk away while it runs. The wusa accepts command line options, like an option to prevent reboots. So you have some basic controls for scripting them and getting a good result. In your case, the number of failed updates that needed to be added by hand, is probably only one or two at most. So you won't need to learn about any scripting, and it can all be done while you watch it. Any time my Windows Update was broken, so far I haven't needed to reset Windows Update. (There are some scripts to do that.) Instead, installing MSU files by hand, generally gets Windows Update working again. ******* Windows Update also has the wuauserv bug, when it spins in a loop for hours on end. The above recipe is for "jammed plumbing". Fixing the looping wuauserv bug requires a certain couple patches, and most likely you already have these installed. If wuauserv is looping, it might take 5-20 hours to come back. If the problem is not present, the time drops to around 3-5 minutes or so. If you install MSU files, then that part of it is less evident. As long as you pull the network cable, reboot, so wuauserv cannot get into a looping mood, the MSUs will work. I figured that much myself. No failed ones succeeded later. My last successful updates were on June 29. Do you have some failed ones then ? Or not ? I wrote in my first post about those two important KB-s that had been just sitting there in Windows Update page but every time I try to manually force their install, they keep trying for hours (as the progress bar indicates) but they can't complete. So after hours of that, I just cancel the install. However, they don't show up in the update history as failed installs. OK, using my Seamonkey web browser. I can go here and see. http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....aspx?q=3162593 "Update for Microsoft Silverlight" 61.1MB http://www.catalog.update.microsoft....aspx?q=3115321 "Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3115321)" 3.1MB (Select 32 bit or 64 bit, according to your installed system type) I can download those right now if I want, without any Windows Update getting in the way. All I need is a web browser and a working network connection. Now, disconnect the network cable. Reboot the computer. Double-click each MSU file that downloaded. Let WUSA install them. Re-connect the network cable and reboot the computer. If there is a tick box showing to stop rebooting from happening, you can use that to control reboot well enough, so that you can install both before a reboot is required. After the reboot, check Windows Update history. MSU installs register there. If you have to do "cab" installs with DISM, those are not logged in Windows Updates. Only some of the very oldest updates were CAB based. Modern updates should be MSU download files. HTH, Paul Today's Win7 MS updates installed surprisingly fast. Hurray! |
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