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Old February 10th 17, 02:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
R2D4
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Default sudden shutdown and/or freezing of XP/ Win 7 desktop

Yesterday, while on my desktop and using the hard drive that has XP, the
unit suddenly shutdown for no reason, not a normal shut down routine,
just went off completely, like turning off by power button. Then, after
I rebooted, it would freeze after a few minutes were the only way to fix
was to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete wouldn't do anything).

I have had this desktop for over 5 years and haven't had any issues. At
boot up, I can select either XP or Win 7 as each OS is on a separate
hard drive. The first thing I decided to check was the C drive that has
XP on it, so I rebooted into Win 7 and then used scandisk to check for
and repair any errors overnight. No shutdowns and Win 7 reported no C
drive errors this morning. Right now, I am running Memtest at boot up
for a few hours to see if maybe I have a memory issue going on (but now
I'm thinking not since Win 7 was able to run overnight without shut down
or freezing.... but it is on a separate hard drive... could the XP hard
drive be doing this even though showing no errors?)

Anyway, any help would be welcome.

Thanks in advance,
R2D4
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Old February 10th 17, 07:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default sudden shutdown and/or freezing of XP/ Win 7 desktop

On 02/10/2017 05:10 AM, R2D4 wrote:
Yesterday, while on my desktop and using the hard drive that has XP, the
unit suddenly shutdown for no reason, not a normal shut down routine,
just went off completely, like turning off by power button. Then, after
I rebooted, it would freeze after a few minutes were the only way to fix
was to reboot (ctrl-alt-delete wouldn't do anything).

I have had this desktop for over 5 years and haven't had any issues. At
boot up, I can select either XP or Win 7 as each OS is on a separate
hard drive. The first thing I decided to check was the C drive that has
XP on it, so I rebooted into Win 7 and then used scandisk to check for
and repair any errors overnight. No shutdowns and Win 7 reported no C
drive errors this morning. Right now, I am running Memtest at boot up
for a few hours to see if maybe I have a memory issue going on (but now
I'm thinking not since Win 7 was able to run overnight without shut down
or freezing.... but it is on a separate hard drive... could the XP hard
drive be doing this even though showing no errors?)

Anyway, any help would be welcome.

Thanks in advance,
R2D4


Hi R2D2,

What you are describing is an over heat condition. The CPU
will power everything off if it gets too hot. This usually happens when
it has been sitting there doing nothing and your turn around and press
a key on the keyboard and poof. Gives you a real complex.

If this is the first couple of times this has happened, you can
clean out the dirt from your fans and heat sinks. capture
the fins before blowing out so they don't spin and become
a reservable generator.

Also, make sure your fans are all still in good working order.
spin them. If they spin freely and bobble a little when they
stop (get caught between they poles), they are good.

If this has been going on for a while, the damage may have
already been done.

HTH,
-T

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Old February 11th 17, 03:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default sudden shutdown and/or freezing of XP/ Win 7 desktop

In message , T writes:
On 02/10/2017 05:10 AM, R2D4 wrote:
Yesterday, while on my desktop and using the hard drive that has XP, the
unit suddenly shutdown for no reason, not a normal shut down routine,
just went off completely, like turning off by power button. Then, after

[]
What you are describing is an over heat condition. The CPU


My first reaction too.

will power everything off if it gets too hot. This usually happens when
it has been sitting there doing nothing and your turn around and press
a key on the keyboard and poof. Gives you a real complex.

If this is the first couple of times this has happened, you can
clean out the dirt from your fans and heat sinks. capture
the fins before blowing out so they don't spin and become
a reservable generator.

(Reversible?) And some people say don't use - I'd certainly be wary of
using - a normal domestic vacuum cleaner (or industrial air line), as
these can induce static voltage stresses.

Also, make sure your fans are all still in good working order.
spin them. If they spin freely and bobble a little when they
stop (get caught between they poles), they are good.


Worth getting and using one of the utilities that looks at the internal
heat sensors; I use SpeedFan (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php), but
there are lots. (SpeedFan also, I think, offers to actually _control_
your fans, hence its name; I just use it as a monitor. I like how you
can set two limits for each sensor, and it displays a green tick, a red
uparrow, a blue downarrow, or a little flame for each sensor.)

If this has been going on for a while, the damage may have
already been done.


Though it may not - after all, that's what the CPU powerdown is supposed
to prevent. Though T is right, running the electronics _near_ the cutoff
point for a long time may have at least shortened the life of some
components. I would say I had it happen a couple of times on this
netbook a few months ago before I realised the internal fan wasn't well
(so it had been happening for a while, I suspect), and (I'm using an
external blower underneath now that I know!) I haven't had any trouble
since.

HTH,
-T

The processor _will_ get up to 70 (C) or more in normal use, and is
designed to; general semiconductors for domestic use are rated 0 to 70
domestic, or minus something to 150 military (I think automotive
different again), but I think those in PCs, at least around the
processor, are usually rated higher than the domestic range. The HD
should be quite a bit cooler, though, as it has moving parts and the
lubricating oil etc. doesn't work as well when hot. [SpeedFan - and I
suspect most of the other monitors - will work in F rather than C is
that's what you're used to.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
- Penny Mayes, UMRA, 2014-August
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Old February 12th 17, 12:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default sudden shutdown and/or freezing of XP/ Win 7 desktop

On 02/11/2017 06:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Worth getting and using one of the utilities that looks at the internal
heat sensors; I use SpeedFan (http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php), but
there are lots. (SpeedFan also, I think, offers to actually _control_
your fans, hence its name; I just use it as a monitor. I like how you
can set two limits for each sensor, and it displays a green tick, a red
uparrow, a blue downarrow, or a little flame for each sensor.)


I love Speed Fan. It even tells me the temperature on
the graphics card (GPU). Your machine will freeze (picture
and all) is the GPU gets to hot after the cheap-assed
GPU fan seizes up.
 




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