Windows 10. It's a wonderful thing!

After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them. But that is something you have
to consider for yourself. Which is worse. The update or
the viruses. And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I have no qualms about updating on other OS'es. M$ is just
complete chuckle heads. On my various Linux systems, I look
forward to new stuff and patches. M$, oh boy ...

The best way I have found to disable M$ Updates is to disable
the service in Services.

On 11/22/18 06:40, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

yeah they're still doing SO well with this 'October Surprise' update...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...10_1809_intel/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...ows_10_update/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...ows_10_crisis/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...oblem_roundup/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1..._deletion_bug/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...10_1809_audio/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...ows_10_pulled/

a much worse rendition than the April update was...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...te_woes_redux/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...or_windows_10/


because they LAID OFF (virtually) all of their QA staff in 2014 and 2015

https://arstechnica.com/information-...-21st-century/

and

https://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond...ft-laying-off/


For without a QA staff, and a whole lot of SMUG arrogant millenial
"developers" that lived most of their lives being told how important
they are AND have been given WAY too many "participation trophies", you
can't expect anything BUT buggy feature creep for the next CENTURY.


--
(aka 'Bombastic Bob' in case you wondered)

'Feeling with my fingers, and thinking with my brain' - me

'your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie'
"Straighten up and fly right"

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 08:40:44 -0600, Nomen Nescio wrote:

After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

In a world of constant and furious change, it is reassurig that
one can relie on Microsoft to do something stupid.

On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this is
just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few" updates?
Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?


I have no qualms about updating on other OS'es.Â* M$ is just
complete chuckle heads.Â* On my various Linux systems, I look
forward to new stuff and patches.Â* M$, oh boy ...

The best way I have found to disable M$ Updates is to disable
the service in Services.


--
Ken Hart

Ken Hart wrote:

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this is
just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few" updates?
Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?

The term they use is Cumulative. Which means it covers
all the ones you skipped. If you didn't install the
February Cumulative, the March Cumulative has you covered.

No matter what you do to the OS, like destroy the "History"
store, the update system is based on "packages". If you change
OS versions, that's around 2000 separate packages. One file
may download or appear it downloaded to you, but the actual
transaction, even the downloading process, is based on packages.

The OS can open as many as 20 connections to the update server
and pull the packages. By doing that, it can "starve" your other
computers on the same LAN, as "fairness" at the router level
is defined by number of connections. If one machine opens 20 connections,
the machine opening 1 connection to attempt to "web surf"
gets 5% of the broadband bandwidth. They've modified that
behavior a bit, because that used to suck.

So anyway, with some updates labeled as "Cumulative", they
cover all the ones you missed.

If you download a Cumulative as a .msu, it might be 500MB in
size. If you get the same information as an automatic update,
the download is around 100MB (because there's a chance you
have parts of it already). But if you're taking a Care Package
to a machine without a network connection, you can download
the 500MB package and take it with you. For example,
you could download 17763 (say 4GB), download .134 (say 500MB)
and take it to Grannys house and update the PC in the coal shed.
The PC would then be up-to-date as of Nov2018. You would not
need to find and install .55 (October) before .134 (November).

Paul

On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this is
just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few" updates?
Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?

I see no harm in it. I am a Fedora house. Fedora is "supposedly"
bleeding edge, but it really is not. It is usually just one update
behind the bleeding edge. Give a sufficient time for things to settle
down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues. But I
reported a ton of them and they are being worked on. (Imagine M$
working on their bugs.) And none were show stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such. They are just fine.

I adore Fedora.

On 11/23/2018 4:58 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/

On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this is
just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few" updates?
Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?

I see no harm in it.Â* I am a Fedora house.Â* Fedora is "supposedly"
bleeding edge, but it really is not.Â* It is usually just one update
behind the bleeding edge.Â* Give a sufficient time for things to settle
down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues.Â* But I
reported a ton of them and they are being worked on.Â* (Imagine M$
working on their bugs.)Â* And none were show stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such.Â*Â* They are just fine.

I adore Fedora.




Fedora 25! Is that your hat Size? Must be made in Mexico. :-

RENE

On 11/23/18 3:14 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 4:58 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/


On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this
is just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few"
updates? Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?

I see no harm in it.Â* I am a Fedora house.Â* Fedora is "supposedly"
bleeding edge, but it really is not.Â* It is usually just one update
behind the bleeding edge.Â* Give a sufficient time for things to settle
down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues.Â* But I
reported a ton of them and they are being worked on.Â* (Imagine M$
working on their bugs.)Â* And none were show stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such.Â*Â* They are just fine.

I adore Fedora.




Fedora 25! Is that your hat Size? Must be made in Mexico.Â* :-

RENE


Into everyone's life a little humor must fall. Thank you!

:-)

On 11/23/2018 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 3:14 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 4:58 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/


On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this
is just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few"
updates? Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous updates?

I see no harm in it.Â* I am a Fedora house.Â* Fedora is "supposedly"
bleeding edge, but it really is not.Â* It is usually just one update
behind the bleeding edge.Â* Give a sufficient time for things to
settle down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues.Â* But I
reported a ton of them and they are being worked on.Â* (Imagine M$
working on their bugs.)Â* And none were show stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such.Â*Â* They are just fine.

I adore Fedora.




Fedora 25! Is that your hat Size? Must be made in Mexico.Â* :-

RENE


Into everyone's life a little humor must fall.Â* Thank you!

:-)


:-) It takes more muscles to frown than it does to Smile.
Happy belated Thanksgiving day. :-)

Rene

On 11/23/18 5:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 3:14 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 4:58 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for Office.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/microsoft-pulls-buggy-office-updates/


On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a new
build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time for them.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so this
is just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few"
updates? Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on previous
updates?

I see no harm in it.Â* I am a Fedora house.Â* Fedora is "supposedly"
bleeding edge, but it really is not.Â* It is usually just one update
behind the bleeding edge.Â* Give a sufficient time for things to
settle down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues.Â* But I
reported a ton of them and they are being worked on.Â* (Imagine M$
working on their bugs.)Â* And none were show stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such.Â*Â* They are just fine.

I adore Fedora.




Fedora 25! Is that your hat Size? Must be made in Mexico.Â* :-

RENE


Into everyone's life a little humor must fall.Â* Thank you!

:-)


:-) It takes more muscles to frown than it does to Smile.
Happy belated Thanksgiving day. :-)

Rene



You too!

On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 17:08:46 -0800
T wrote:

On 11/23/18 5:03 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 3:14 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 11/23/2018 4:58 PM, T wrote:
On 11/23/18 1:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/22/18 3:35 PM, T wrote:
On 11/22/18 6:40 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
After pulling Windows 10 update, Microsoft does the same for
Offi
ce.

https://betanews.com/2018/11/20/micr...ggy-office-upd
ates/

On my virtual machines of Windows products, I disable updates.
They MUST work when I need them.Â*Â* But that is something
you have
to consider for yourself.Â*Â*Â* Which is worse.Â* The update or
the viruses.Â* And will my security software protect me anyway
?

I only update when the chatter on this and other groups says a
new

build is good. And then I skip a few, as I seldom have time
for th
em.

I no longer have any Windows running (100% (L)ubuntu here), so
this
is just curiosity. Is it possible or advisable to "skip a few"
updates? Don't they sometimes build/expound/expand on
previous updates?

I see no harm in it.Â* I am a Fedora house.Â* Fedora is "sup
posedly" bleeding edge, but it really is not.Â* It is usually
just one up date behind the bleeding edge.Â* Give a sufficient
time for things to
settle down.

Fedora 29 upgraded to Xfce 4.13 and that has a lot of issues.
But I reported a ton of them and they are being worked on.
(Imagine M$ working on their bugs.)Â* And none were show
stoppers.

I have some home users on Fedora 25 and such.Â*Â* They are j
ust fine.

I adore Fedora.




Fedora 25! Is that your hat Size? Must be made in Mexico.Â* :-

RENE


Into everyone's life a little humor must fall.Â* Thank you!

:-)


:-) It takes more muscles to frown than it does to Smile.
Happy belated Thanksgiving day. :-)

Rene



You too!



....why I love the Linux community.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
My other computer is a HOLMES IV

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 12:35:40 -0800
T wrote:

chuckle heads. On my various Linux syst
A lot of times that isn't good enough. You have to block MSFT at the
fireall level. I have to maintain a large list of MSFT owned and MSFT
leased ip ranges. Even if you manually turn off all updating the system
still pings out and installs ****. For example when Windows 10 was
released my windows 7 machines despite having all updates turned off
installed the windows 10 popup ad saying to upgrade now!

--
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/ Before he became a hermit, Zarathud \
| was a young Priest, and |
| |
| took great delight in making fools of |
| his opponents in front of his |
| followers. |
| |
| One day Zarathud took his students to a |
| pleasant pasture and there he |
| confronted The Sacred Chao while She |
| was contentedly grazing. |
| |
| "Tell me, you dumb beast," demanded the |
| Priest in his commanding voice, "why |
| don't you do something worthwhile? What |
| is your Purpose in Life, anyway?" |
| |
| Munching the tasty grass, The Sacred |
| Chao replied "MU". (The Chinese |
| ideogram for NO-THING.) |
| |
| Upon hearing this, absolutely nobody |
| was enlightened. |
| |
| Primarily because nobody understood |
| Chinese. |
| |
| -- Camden Benares, "Zen Without Zen |
\ Masters" /
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tom wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 12:35:40 -0800
T wrote:

chuckle heads. On my various Linux syst
A lot of times that isn't good enough. You have to block MSFT at the
fireall level. I have to maintain a large list of MSFT owned and MSFT
leased ip ranges. Even if you manually turn off all updating the system
still pings out and installs ****. For example when Windows 10 was
released my windows 7 machines despite having all updates turned off
installed the windows 10 popup ad saying to upgrade now!

You didn't have to do it that way.

There are utilities to do this. The utilities showed
up after the registry info became available. You could
do it the registry way, from the get-go. This is the reference
from my notes.

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-remove-g...-from-taskbar/

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX --- create new key
DisableGWX DWORD 1 --- create this too

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUp date --- create new key
DisableOSUpgrade DWORD 1 --- create this too

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Win dowsUpdate\OSUpgrade
AllowOSUpgrade --- already exists, set to 0
ReservationsAllowed --- already exists, set to 0

There was a popular utility for this too.

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...ly-remove.html

I didn't see any nags here!

Paul