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  #1  
Old March 6th 19, 08:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T
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  #2  
Old March 6th 19, 09:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item
just above the blue highlighted one.

"Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop"

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg

If you click the top of the "State" column, the
"configured" items will float to the top for you,
making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling
through the list.

Paul
  #3  
Old March 6th 19, 09:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item
just above the blue highlighted one.

"Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop"

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg


If you click the top of the "State" column, the
"configured" items will float to the top for you,
making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling
through the list.

Â*Â* Paul


The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's
Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix?



  #4  
Old March 6th 19, 09:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item
just above the blue highlighted one.

"Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop"

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg


If you click the top of the "State" column, the
"configured" items will float to the top for you,
making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling
through the list.

Paul


The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's
Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix?


It does actually remove it, but it is causing some
bizarre behavior :-)

It removed the trash can from the upper left hand corner
of the desktop, as well as from the very bottom portion
of a File Explorer window (lower left corner).

https://i.postimg.cc/yYSyXDNF/trash-is-gone-win7.gif

If I click on an item on the left hand pane of a
File Explorer window, it causes another File Explorer
window to open. The Trash Can icon at the bottom of the
window has been replaced by another icon from the left-hand
column.

So the results are "totally not cool" :-/ And
not a keeper in terms of useful GPEDIT policies.

Paul

  #5  
Old March 6th 19, 09:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

On 3/5/19 11:49 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


Follow up. It figured it out. My notes:

Trash.Missing.icon.txt
Windows 7: Trash icon missing:

From Windows Explorer:
Reference:
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2148...ws-7-or-vista/

--
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace
-- New Key
-- {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}
-- exit regedit
-- press "F5" to refresh Windows Explorer



From the desktop:

Reference:
https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg

-- gpedit.msc
-- Local Computer Policy
-- User Configuration
-- Administrative Templates
-- Desktop
-- "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop"
-- disable it

/Trash.Missing.icon.txt
  #6  
Old March 6th 19, 09:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item
just above the blue highlighted one.

"Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop"

https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg


If you click the top of the "State" column, the
"configured" items will float to the top for you,
making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling
through the list.

Paul


The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's
Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix?


They've got some other ones.

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...tion-pane.html

(Useless)
https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...text-menu.html

This might be closer to doing the same as the GPEDIT. There's actually
some GUI tick boxes to play with. I wonder if the "click opens new window"
will happen with this one too ?

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...t-display.html

Paul
  #7  
Old March 6th 19, 11:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default WE and Trash?

In message , T writes:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

[]
You have an application for exploring widows?

Is that legal?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

once described by Eccentrica Golumbits as the best bang since the big one ...
(first series, fit the second)
  #8  
Old March 6th 19, 11:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

On 3/6/19 2:05 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

[]
You have an application for exploring widows?

Is that legal?


Chuckle! One of my common typos.

You know it took me three times reading your comment
for "Windows" to turn back into "Widows". "What is
he getting at? Oh crap! Did it again!"


  #9  
Old March 6th 19, 06:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Huh?

-T


Widows? :-) But who knows, there may be some in here. :-)


  #10  
Old March 6th 19, 06:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default WE and Trash?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
Hi All,

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

[]
You have an application for exploring widows?

Is that legal?


Not any more. Do try to keep up with the times, boy. This is the new Age
of Enlightenment, if you haven't heard already. I could expound on that but
I'll save you the grief.


  #11  
Old March 6th 19, 08:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.


Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects
in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder
instead of Trash.

For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you
added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the
desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop
icons".

If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you
mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context
menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which
standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin,
Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to
change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are
you using?

If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka
navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane
missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get
for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but
recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a
command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry).
Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize
toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation
pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing.

Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane.
Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is
enabled.
  #12  
Old March 6th 19, 11:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.


Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects
in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder
instead of Trash.

For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you
added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the
desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop
icons".

If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you
mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context
menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which
standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin,
Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to
change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are
you using?

If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka
navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane
missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get
for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but
recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a
command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry).
Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize
toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation
pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing.

Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane.
Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is
enabled.


Did you miss the part where I stated?

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is
of a trash can.

Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe,
not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer.

Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue.

  #13  
Old March 7th 19, 06:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default WE and Trash?

T wrote:

On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.


Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects
in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder
instead of Trash.

For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you
added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the
desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop
icons".

If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you
mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context
menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which
standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin,
Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to
change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are
you using?

If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka
navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane
missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get
for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but
recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a
command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry).
Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize
toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation
pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing.

Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane.
Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is
enabled.


Did you miss the part where I stated?

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is
of a trash can.

Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe,
not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer.

Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue.


The only subkey I have under the Namespace key is named DelegateFolders.
There is no {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey defined. That
means the default value is used when a key is missing to effect
different behavior. The author of the article has tons of namespaces
added under Explorer\MyComputer\Namespace. I have none and yet I do see
the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane of Windows Explorer.

From the article, the author never did set a data item and its value
under the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey. The
"(Default)" data item is shown because it's the default, and the same
when the key is missing. The author then claims deleting this subkey
would revert back to not showing the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane,
yet I do NOT have that key even defined and I *do* get the Recycle Bin
in the navigation pane.

Something is whack with your Windows Explorer in that instance of
Windows that is reversing how that subkey is interpreted. One
possibility want hinted by Paul when he mentioned using the policy
editor. Behaviors can be reversed by using policies: instead of a key
effecting a behavior, the policy reverses it, and policies override
namespaces.

All policies are registry entries. Even if you don't have gpedit.msc on
your Windows host, like it's the Home edition, you can still set
policies by using regedit.exe or reg.exe, and the same for any tweaker
tools.

By the way, the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} is also the same
keyname used in:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}

under which is the ShellFolder subkey which has the data value named
PinToNameSpaceTree (but not assigned a value). Apparently the "Show all
folders" goes under several shell folder objects to set create this
subkey or the data item under it (to effect a value other than the
default when the data item is not defined). ShellFolders are registry
defined objects pointing at folders, like the Recycle Bin. For example,
you can enter shell:ConnectionsFolder to see the connectoids defined in
that folder. To see a list of system (registry-defined) folder
references (that you can use with shell:specialfoldername), look
under:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions

Each subkey has a data item named Name. So, for example, the:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions\{B7534046-3ECB-4C18-BE4E-64CD4CB7D6AC}

has a parsining name of {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}, the
keyname your article mentioned, along with a Name of RecycleBinFolder.
So, you could use shell:StartUp to open the special folder for the
Startup folder (well, to set focus in WE on that folder). There's a
whole bunch of these special folders defined in the registry, and the
PinToNameSpaceTree data item under the ShellFolders seems to decide if
it appears in WE's navigation pane. For example, PinToNameSpaceTree in
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{F02C1A0D-BE21-4350-88B0-7367FC96EF3C}\ShellFolder
decides if the Network shell folder appears in WE's tree.

Seems something got reversed in the registry, so PinToNameSpaceTree acts
reverse of its intended purpose. You can even add your own shell
folders to WE's navigation pane. For example, after installing
Microsoft's OneDrive, a shell folder for it appeared in WE's navigation
pane. The data item's name has changed in Windows 10 where it is named
System.IsPinnedtoNameSpaceTree. See:

https://superuser.com/questions/1107...special-fodler

The "Show all folders" likely has a preset list of shell folders that it
will create (with blank value) or delete the PinToNameSpaceTree data
item, but you could add your own. Did you ever check if the Recycle Bin
appeared when you had the "Show all folders" disabled? If that option
merely toggles the state of that data item (creates if missing or
deletes if present) then perhaps the set of shell folders affected by
that setting had a mix of states for the PinToNameSpaceTree data items.
  #14  
Old March 7th 19, 08:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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Default WE and Trash?

On 3/6/19 9:05 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no
Trash box on the left pane.

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects
in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder
instead of Trash.

For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you
added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the
desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop
icons".

If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you
mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context
menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which
standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin,
Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to
change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are
you using?

If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka
navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane
missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get
for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but
recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a
command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry).
Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize
toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation
pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing.

Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane.
Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is
enabled.


Did you miss the part where I stated?

And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders"
is checked.

I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is
of a trash can.

Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe,
not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer.

Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue.


The only subkey I have under the Namespace key is named DelegateFolders.
There is no {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey defined. That
means the default value is used when a key is missing to effect
different behavior. The author of the article has tons of namespaces
added under Explorer\MyComputer\Namespace. I have none and yet I do see
the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane of Windows Explorer.

From the article, the author never did set a data item and its value
under the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey. The
"(Default)" data item is shown because it's the default, and the same
when the key is missing. The author then claims deleting this subkey
would revert back to not showing the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane,
yet I do NOT have that key even defined and I *do* get the Recycle Bin
in the navigation pane.

Something is whack with your Windows Explorer in that instance of
Windows that is reversing how that subkey is interpreted. One
possibility want hinted by Paul when he mentioned using the policy
editor. Behaviors can be reversed by using policies: instead of a key
effecting a behavior, the policy reverses it, and policies override
namespaces.

All policies are registry entries. Even if you don't have gpedit.msc on
your Windows host, like it's the Home edition, you can still set
policies by using regedit.exe or reg.exe, and the same for any tweaker
tools.

By the way, the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} is also the same
keyname used in:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}

under which is the ShellFolder subkey which has the data value named
PinToNameSpaceTree (but not assigned a value). Apparently the "Show all
folders" goes under several shell folder objects to set create this
subkey or the data item under it (to effect a value other than the
default when the data item is not defined). ShellFolders are registry
defined objects pointing at folders, like the Recycle Bin. For example,
you can enter shell:ConnectionsFolder to see the connectoids defined in
that folder. To see a list of system (registry-defined) folder
references (that you can use with shell:specialfoldername), look
under:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions

Each subkey has a data item named Name. So, for example, the:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions\{B7534046-3ECB-4C18-BE4E-64CD4CB7D6AC}

has a parsining name of {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}, the
keyname your article mentioned, along with a Name of RecycleBinFolder.
So, you could use shell:StartUp to open the special folder for the
Startup folder (well, to set focus in WE on that folder). There's a
whole bunch of these special folders defined in the registry, and the
PinToNameSpaceTree data item under the ShellFolders seems to decide if
it appears in WE's navigation pane. For example, PinToNameSpaceTree in
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{F02C1A0D-BE21-4350-88B0-7367FC96EF3C}\ShellFolder
decides if the Network shell folder appears in WE's tree.

Seems something got reversed in the registry, so PinToNameSpaceTree acts
reverse of its intended purpose. You can even add your own shell
folders to WE's navigation pane. For example, after installing
Microsoft's OneDrive, a shell folder for it appeared in WE's navigation
pane. The data item's name has changed in Windows 10 where it is named
System.IsPinnedtoNameSpaceTree. See:

https://superuser.com/questions/1107...special-fodler

The "Show all folders" likely has a preset list of shell folders that it
will create (with blank value) or delete the PinToNameSpaceTree data
item, but you could add your own. Did you ever check if the Recycle Bin
appeared when you had the "Show all folders" disabled? If that option
merely toggles the state of that data item (creates if missing or
deletes if present) then perhaps the set of shell folders affected by
that setting had a mix of states for the PinToNameSpaceTree data items.


You put a lot of working into that. Thank you!

I never I unclicked then reclicked Show all Folders to see if that
wold reset it. I never checked what unlicked would do.

I see this issue enough in Windows 7 that I though it was time I
came up with a fix.




 




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