folermsize limits in Windows 10

Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 21:33:37 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:00:12 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:00:29 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On my 33TB Data drive, the Recycle Bin is set to a custom size of 1.25TB. I

33TB? What drive is this.? The largest I've seen is 8TB.
It's 5 physical drives, managed as a single volume by a program called
DriveBender.

3x 4TB = 12TB
2x 12TB = 24TB
-------
Total 36TB



OK, thanks, I suspected something like that

But you can find drives big enough. They're
not priced for purchase though.

Last year, the largest SSD was 40TB.

This year, the largest SSD was 100TB.

And the packages appeared to be 3.5" form factor.

But these could also be stage props, made from
styrofoam, as we never see any reviews of these
drives on a web site. We don't know they actually
exist outside of promo shots. If the lowest price
for the 100TB one was $50,000, you'd need a Brinks
truck to ship them.

One of the complaints about products like this,
is the ratio of capacity to transfer speed. There
are already complaints about 16TB HDDs being
impractical. These larger drives would perhaps
be fine if they had NVMe interfaces. Less so with
SATA.

Paul

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 14:29:15 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 21:33:37 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:00:12 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:00:29 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On my 33TB Data drive, the Recycle Bin is set to a custom size of 1.25TB. I

33TB? What drive is this.? The largest I've seen is 8TB.
It's 5 physical drives, managed as a single volume by a program called
DriveBender.

3x 4TB = 12TB
2x 12TB = 24TB
-------
Total 36TB



OK, thanks, I suspected something like that

But you can find drives big enough. They're
not priced for purchase though.

Last year, the largest SSD was 40TB.

This year, the largest SSD was 100TB.

We weren't talking about SSDs, though. My drive pools only have spinning
drives, not that DriveBender would care. Drives in the pool can be any mix
of capacity, type, and interface. Network drives, USB drives, and NAS
systems are fine, as well, although I only use local/internal drives.

One of the complaints about products like this,
is the ratio of capacity to transfer speed. There
are already complaints about 16TB HDDs being
impractical. These larger drives would perhaps
be fine if they had NVMe interfaces. Less so with
SATA.

I haven't heard that complaint and don't understand it. A 16TB drive with a
SATA interface isn't going to be any slower than another modern drive that
has less capacity. Not in real world use, anyway. Benchmarks might be
another story. I don't live for benchmarks.

Ken Blake wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On my 33TB Data drive, the Recycle Bin is set to a custom size of
1.25TB. I

33TB? What drive is this.? The largest I've seen is 8TB.

Well, it could be two 16TB drives configured in Windows' Storage Spaces
(basically RAID-3 with its striping and spanning). Char said he uses
Drive Bender. Since it costs $40, Char must like it better than Storage
Spaces included in Windows 10. Storage Spaces lets you keep the NTFS
formatting on each drive (no having to wipe and reformat). You don't
need to match interface or drive type or capacity per volume as you do
with RAID. So does DriveBender. Setting up a new RAID-3 setup is
destructive. Both are software solution versus using a RAID controller
card. Char has 5 drives in his spanned "drive" setup. I would think
that means more points of failure, but the RAID-3 like setup allows for
a drive failure.

With hardware RAID, you can boot the OS from a RAID config. With
software-based RAID or drive pooling that loads after the OS has already
loaded, used to be you couldn't use it as the boot drive. Last I heard
(a long time ago), Storage Spaces was, well, for storage space
management, and not usable as a boot drive. Since Drive Bender runs as
a service, that won't load until the OS loads, so I don't see how Drive
Bender could be used for an ever enlarging pooled boot drive.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:40:21 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On my 33TB Data drive, the Recycle Bin is set to a custom size of
1.25TB. I

33TB? What drive is this.? The largest I've seen is 8TB.

Well, it could be two 16TB drives configured in Windows' Storage Spaces
(basically RAID-3 with its striping and spanning).

Two 16TB drives would never give you a 33TB volume, so that's not it.

Char said he uses
Drive Bender. Since it costs $40, Char must like it better than Storage
Spaces included in Windows 10.

I bought it in 2009, long before Windows 10 was in front of me. I think I
paid $30 for a 4-license pack. Since then, the DriveBender cost has varied,
both up and down, quite a bit.

Storage Spaces lets you keep the NTFS
formatting on each drive (no having to wipe and reformat). You don't
need to match interface or drive type or capacity per volume as you do
with RAID. So does DriveBender.

Correct.

Setting up a new RAID-3 setup is
destructive. Both are software solution versus using a RAID controller
card. Char has 5 drives in his spanned "drive" setup. I would think
that means more points of failure, but the RAID-3 like setup allows for
a drive failure.

I assume the RAID-3 reference refers to Storage Spaces. It does not apply
to DriveBender. DriveBender, by itself, does not allow for drive failure,
but it can be used with other applications that ultimately provide that.
BTW, adding a drive to a DriveBender pool is not destructive by default,
but it can be if you want.

With hardware RAID, you can boot the OS from a RAID config. With
software-based RAID or drive pooling that loads after the OS has already
loaded, used to be you couldn't use it as the boot drive. Last I heard
(a long time ago), Storage Spaces was, well, for storage space
management, and not usable as a boot drive. Since Drive Bender runs as
a service, that won't load until the OS loads, so I don't see how Drive
Bender could be used for an ever enlarging pooled boot drive.

I'm not sure why anyone would attempt to use a DriveBender pool as their
boot volume. That doesn't make any sense at all to me and I haven't read of
anyone even trying it.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 20:40:21 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On my 33TB Data drive, the Recycle Bin is set to a custom size of
1.25TB. I

33TB? What drive is this.? The largest I've seen is 8TB.

Well, it could be two 16TB drives snip

Two 16TB drives, using NTFS, would provide usable space of 29.808TB.

Multiply the marketing capacity by 0.9315 to get the usable NTFS capacity.