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WINDOWS 8.1
When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD. Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that is on most hard drives of new computers? If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your computer? Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. |
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WINDOWS 8.1
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I ever needed to reinstall Windows. You're doing something wrong, try to figure out what it is. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
"Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently" News to me! I have seldom had to reinstall. Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP "bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade" just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista ultimate copy was a promo freebe. |
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WINDOWS 8.1
On 10/20/2013 6:33 PM, XS11E wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote: Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Wrong. |
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WINDOWS 8.1
"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:33:04 -0700, XS11E wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I ever needed to reinstall Windows. I'm with you entirely (or almost entirely). I've been running Windows since Windows 2.0, and I almost never reinstalled it. But once I had a problem (I can't remember for sure what version--I think it was Vista, but I'm not sure) that I couldn't solve by other means, and ended up reinstalling. So I would say, Windows *almost* never needs to be reinstalled. Here's my standard post on the subject: Why do you want to reformat and reinstall? In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to reinstall Windows (any version). I've run Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now Windows 8.1, What, no WinME? And here I thought you had a sense of adventure ;-) Actually, at home, I ran WinME but bypassed Win2k; I had Win2k on our CAD stations at work. I liked WinME so much that I went back to it 2 or 3 times before sticking with WinXP. But I agree totally with your assessment- I never had to reinstall from scratch except the one time with WinXP when I bought a new MB and mistakenly thought it would boot up just fine. IIRC, I tried a repair installation first, and that didn't work; hence, the scratch reinstallation. -- SC Tom |
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WINDOWS 8.1
On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: "Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently" News to me! I have seldom had to reinstall. Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP "bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade" just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista ultimate copy was a promo freebe. "Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one person once is too much; another twice is too frequent. I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that far. "Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8; "update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive. Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became available; just had to try with win8.1......... The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board is not connected. Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really use a computer. |
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generic name wrote:
On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote: On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: "Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently" News to me! I have seldom had to reinstall. Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP "bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade" just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista ultimate copy was a promo freebe. "Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one person once is too much; another twice is too frequent. I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that far. "Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8; "update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive. Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became available; just had to try with win8.1......... The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board is not connected. Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really use a computer. The PCI Express slot has +3.3V and +12V as power sources. A designer could take the +12V signal, use a linear regulator, and make a +5V supply for the USB3 bus power. A linear would be thermally limited, and to be practical, a switching regulator placed on the card, could do what is necessary from the +12V source (50W to 60W or so, max). I seriously doubt anyone would do this, but, it's an option. That means, if you want USB3 bus power, you'd kinda want that internal power connector to be used. If a power connection is available on one end of the PCI Express card, the idea might be to draw power for the +5V from there. A SATA wafer connector, I think that is rated at 3A, whereas if you had four USB3 ports, that would be 3.6A max load (more, without overcurrent protection of some sort). A Molex 1x4 power connector, can carry more current than that and if I was purchasing a card, would be my preferred solution. Perhaps 6 to 8 amps or so on +5V for the Molex power connector. At least, until the 5V @ 20A on the power supply becomes an issue, if you were to run enough USB3 cards :-) USB3 chips come in duals and quads, and at 900mA a port, a quad would want a 3.6A power source for the USB3 bus. And then I'd want that Molex, rather than the flat SATA 15 pin power connector, which is a bit wimpy. "Does USB 3 offer more power than USB 2 ("High-Speed USB")? Yes, USB 3 devices can use up to 900mA of power (compared to 500mA used by USB 2 devices). You'll need to use a USB 3 cable to use the 900mA of power available. USB 2 cables don't support 900mA." ******* The NEC/Renesas chip was the first USB3 chip to ship. Just like in USB2 days, the NEC chip was the first shipped, and the Microsoft driver was modeled and tested against the NEC one. If any chip is to work "out of the box", that's the brand I expect would work. Paul |
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WINDOWS 8.1
Keith Nuttle wrote:
When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD. Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that is on most hard drives of new computers? If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your computer? Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. If you install 8.1 via the Store the Recovery/Reset options in Windows 8.1 will no longer function. Even if one had an iso of 8.1 (which is just an update) there is no guarantee (at this time) that the burned to DVD (or usb) would meet that intent. MSFT is aware of the Recovery/Reset option but has not publicly commented with any solid direction on how to adddress the problem or whether or not an update or FixIT might be released. There are procedures on the net on how to obtain the iso though the success rate of obtaining and use is not absolute since failures also exist. Imo...this is one time where it might be appropriate (especially if one does not have a full version Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 retail DVD and a full backup that's been tested with a successful restoration) to wait a bit before updating to 8.1 Also of note...there are a few reports of Win 8.0 being automatically upgraded to 8.1 without user intervention...details are sketchy on how and why...but its been reported for whatever its worth. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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WINDOWS 8.1
generic name wrote:
On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote: On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote: "Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently" News to me! I have seldom had to reinstall. Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP "bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade" just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista ultimate copy was a promo freebe. "Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one person once is too much; another twice is too frequent. I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that far. "Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8; "update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive. Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became available; just had to try with win8.1......... The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board is not connected. Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really use a computer. Unless you were using the 640/480 driver as the primary resolution that new driver was for 640/48 should not prevent Safe Mode access. Post 8.1 update...all USB3 ports and devices (connected to those USB Ports are functional here (Z87 Asus Sabertooth, i7, 64 bit)...the only thing that doesn't work is the mouse in Acronis True Image 2013 bootable Recovery Media when accessing the ATI menu...but that didn't work on Win7/Win8 either...the solution remains the same for all o/s Win7/Win8/Win8.1 -- (1) plug in the mouse to a different USB header than not being used by other USB connected devices (e.g Keyboard, Printer, external drives or (2) Activate the arrow keys as mouse pointer direction keys. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"...winston" wrote... Also of note...there are a few reports of Win 8.0 being automatically upgraded to 8.1 without user intervention...details are sketchy on how and why...but its been reported for whatever its worth. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps Very interesting. Where we could find these reports? |
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WINDOWS 8.1
What good would that do? Windows 8.1 will just have more updates.
Keith Nuttle wrote: When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD. Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that is on most hard drives of new computers? If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your computer? Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Subscriber asks will that ****in' work? I guaranDAMtee it. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR, ChuckZar!! I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer. UBB = User based bullFROGGING Colonel Debeers refuses to wrestle a black man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-o_dPhbGI) Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who. Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to turn schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue. You don't have to be "stinkbottomed" to post on this newsgroup Anyone who disagrees with me gets FROG tape over their yapper Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy! Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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WINDOWS 8.1
What happens if you have to replace a hard drive and there was only one
on the computer at that time? XS11E wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I ever needed to reinstall Windows. You're doing something wrong, try to figure out what it is. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ -- The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper manners Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on the job for potty mouth, Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick of ram. Subscriber asks will that ****in' work? I guaranDAMtee it. Ok get the next sucker on the phone. Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber) There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE, which one are you? Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake! El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!) All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR, ChuckZar!! I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three* fulltime jobs to afford either one of them I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a month VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat and out your arse sir? The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer. UBB = User based bullFROGGING Colonel Debeers refuses to wrestle a black man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-o_dPhbGI) Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who. Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to turn schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue. You don't have to be "stinkbottomed" to post on this newsgroup Anyone who disagrees with me gets FROG tape over their yapper Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy! Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the realm of understandability Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet |
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Tony wrote:
What happens if you have to replace a hard drive and there was only one on the computer at that time? Restore from backup. Paul |
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On 21/10/2013 02:15, Ron wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:33 PM, XS11E wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Wrong. Yes, it is an appalling use of English, worthy of Yoda. Never use that term 'never', I would. |
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:52:23 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:33:04 -0700, XS11E wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows. Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I ever needed to reinstall Windows. I'm with you entirely (or almost entirely). I've been running Windows since Windows 2.0, and I almost never reinstalled it. But once I had a problem (I can't remember for sure what version--I think it was Vista, but I'm not sure) that I couldn't solve by other means, and ended up reinstalling. So I would say, Windows *almost* never needs to be reinstalled. Here's my standard post on the subject: Why do you want to reformat and reinstall? In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to reinstall Windows (any version). I've run Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now Windows 8.1, What, no WinME? And here I thought you had a sense of adventure ;-) I thought I did too. g Don't ask me why I never ran Millennium Edition; I don't remember. Actually, at home, I ran WinME but bypassed Win2k; I had Win2k on our CAD stations at work. I liked WinME so much that I went back to it 2 or 3 times before sticking with WinXP. I've played with Me a few times on others' computers, but never installed it any of mine. Having used it only a little, I was far from an expert on it, but like you, and unlike many others, I never thought it was terrible. But I agree totally with your assessment- Thanks for the agreement. I never had to reinstall from scratch except the one time with WinXP when I bought a new MB and mistakenly thought it would boot up just fine. IIRC, I tried a repair installation first, and that didn't work; hence, the scratch reinstallation. That's a common reason for a clean reinstallation. But it has nothing to do with the view of some people who think it should be done periodically. -- Ken Blake |
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