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Old October 20th 13, 11:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD.

Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that
is on most hard drives of new computers?


If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your
computer?

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through
a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.
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Old October 20th 13, 11:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I
ever needed to reinstall Windows.

You're doing something wrong, try to figure out what it is.


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Old October 21st 13, 12:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
"Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently"
News to me!
I have seldom had to reinstall.
Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP
"bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade"
just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista
ultimate copy was a promo freebe.


  #4  
Old October 21st 13, 01:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/20/2013 6:33 PM, XS11E wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


Windows needs to be reinstalled never.


Wrong.

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Old October 21st 13, 01:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:33:04 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I
ever needed to reinstall Windows.



I'm with you entirely (or almost entirely). I've been running Windows
since Windows 2.0, and I almost never reinstalled it. But once I had a
problem (I can't remember for sure what version--I think it was Vista,
but I'm not sure) that I couldn't solve by other means, and ended up
reinstalling.

So I would say, Windows *almost* never needs to be reinstalled. Here's
my standard post on the subject:

Why do you want to reformat and reinstall? In my view, it's usually a
mistake. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to
reinstall Windows (any version). I've run Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11,
WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows
Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now Windows 8.1,


What, no WinME? And here I thought you had a sense of adventure ;-)

Actually, at home, I ran WinME but bypassed Win2k; I had Win2k on our CAD
stations at work. I liked WinME so much that I went back to it 2 or 3 times
before sticking with WinXP.

But I agree totally with your assessment- I never had to reinstall from
scratch except the one time with WinXP when I bought a new MB and mistakenly
thought it would boot up just fine. IIRC, I tried a repair installation
first, and that didn't work; hence, the scratch reinstallation.
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Old October 21st 13, 03:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
"Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently"
News to me!
I have seldom had to reinstall.
Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP
"bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade"
just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista
ultimate copy was a promo freebe.



"Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one
person once is too much; another twice is too frequent.

I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because
of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just
shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that
far.

"Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8;
"update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again
like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's
usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive.

Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets
are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became
available; just had to try with win8.1.........

The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the
motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs
say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board
is not connected.

Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the
dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really
use a computer.
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Old October 21st 13, 06:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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generic name wrote:
On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
"Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently"
News to me!
I have seldom had to reinstall.
Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP
"bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade"
just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista
ultimate copy was a promo freebe.



"Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one
person once is too much; another twice is too frequent.

I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because
of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just
shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that
far.

"Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8;
"update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again
like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's
usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive.

Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets
are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became
available; just had to try with win8.1.........

The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the
motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs
say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board
is not connected.

Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the
dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really
use a computer.


The PCI Express slot has +3.3V and +12V as power sources.
A designer could take the +12V signal, use a linear regulator,
and make a +5V supply for the USB3 bus power. A linear would
be thermally limited, and to be practical, a switching
regulator placed on the card, could do what is necessary
from the +12V source (50W to 60W or so, max). I seriously
doubt anyone would do this, but, it's an option. That
means, if you want USB3 bus power, you'd kinda want that
internal power connector to be used.

If a power connection is available on one end of the
PCI Express card, the idea might be to draw power for the
+5V from there. A SATA wafer connector, I think that is
rated at 3A, whereas if you had four USB3 ports, that
would be 3.6A max load (more, without overcurrent protection
of some sort). A Molex 1x4 power connector, can carry
more current than that and if I was purchasing a card,
would be my preferred solution. Perhaps 6 to 8 amps or so
on +5V for the Molex power connector. At least, until
the 5V @ 20A on the power supply becomes an issue, if you
were to run enough USB3 cards :-)

USB3 chips come in duals and quads, and at 900mA a port,
a quad would want a 3.6A power source for the USB3 bus.
And then I'd want that Molex, rather than the flat SATA
15 pin power connector, which is a bit wimpy.

"Does USB 3 offer more power than USB 2 ("High-Speed USB")?

Yes, USB 3 devices can use up to 900mA of power (compared
to 500mA used by USB 2 devices). You'll need to use a USB 3
cable to use the 900mA of power available. USB 2 cables
don't support 900mA."

*******

The NEC/Renesas chip was the first USB3 chip to ship.
Just like in USB2 days, the NEC chip was the first shipped,
and the Microsoft driver was modeled and tested against
the NEC one. If any chip is to work "out of the box",
that's the brand I expect would work.

Paul
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Old October 21st 13, 06:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD.

Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that
is on most hard drives of new computers?


If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your
computer?

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through
a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


If you install 8.1 via the Store the Recovery/Reset options in Windows
8.1 will no longer function.

Even if one had an iso of 8.1 (which is just an update) there is no
guarantee (at this time) that the burned to DVD (or usb) would meet that
intent.

MSFT is aware of the Recovery/Reset option but has not publicly
commented with any solid direction on how to adddress the problem or
whether or not an update or FixIT might be released.

There are procedures on the net on how to obtain the iso though the
success rate of obtaining and use is not absolute since failures also
exist. Imo...this is one time where it might be appropriate (especially
if one does not have a full version Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 retail DVD
and a full backup that's been tested with a successful restoration) to
wait a bit before updating to 8.1

Also of note...there are a few reports of Win 8.0 being automatically
upgraded to 8.1 without user intervention...details are sketchy on how
and why...but its been reported for whatever its worth.


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Old October 21st 13, 06:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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generic name wrote:
On 2013-10-20, charlie wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
"Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently"
News to me!
I have seldom had to reinstall.
Now there was an HP Vista Laptop that gave me fits due to the HP
"bloatware". I ended up installing a generic Vista Ultimate "upgrade"
just to get rid of the HP *&^%. That was only because, the Vista
ultimate copy was a promo freebe.



"Frequently" is what a person claims; no number specified; for one
person once is too much; another twice is too frequent.

I installed win8 about 4 weeks ago, "cleanly"; win7 crashed because
of a new video driver. How to fix if the computer won't boot & just
shows a blank screen? Cannot get to "safe mode" as never got that
far.

"Never" reinstall is just lying. I might have to reinstall win8;
"update" to 8.1 if the ****ty ms usb3 driver don't work again
like it doesn't show up with the usb3 connection to the motherboard's
usb3 port. Strange that it powered up then win8.1 lost the 2 TB drive.

Was working when connected to the pcie adapter; BOTH usb3 chipsets
are from renasas. Had encounter problem with win8 when it became
available; just had to try with win8.1.........

The pcie has a connection to a power cord; don't know about the
motherboard. I connected the pcie board to a power line as the docs
say windows "sometimes" looses the usb connections if usb3 pcie board
is not connected.

Had reinstalled win7 a few times including when win8 messed up the
dual/tripple boot. Same with winxp. Lots depend on how you really
use a computer.

Unless you were using the 640/480 driver as the primary resolution that
new driver was for 640/48 should not prevent Safe Mode access.

Post 8.1 update...all USB3 ports and devices (connected to those USB
Ports are functional here (Z87 Asus Sabertooth, i7, 64 bit)...the only
thing that doesn't work is the mouse in Acronis True Image 2013 bootable
Recovery Media when accessing the ATI menu...but that didn't work on
Win7/Win8 either...the solution remains the same for all o/s
Win7/Win8/Win8.1 -- (1) plug in the mouse to a different USB header than
not being used by other USB connected devices (e.g Keyboard, Printer,
external drives or (2) Activate the arrow keys as mouse pointer
direction keys.



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  #10  
Old October 21st 13, 06:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"...winston" wrote...

Also of note...there are a few reports of Win 8.0 being automatically
upgraded to 8.1 without user intervention...details are sketchy on how
and why...but its been reported for whatever its worth.


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Very interesting. Where we could find these reports?
  #11  
Old October 21st 13, 07:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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What good would that do? Windows 8.1 will just have more updates.

Keith Nuttle wrote:

When I had XP, I maintained a copy of the SP3 updates on a CD.

Does Windows put a copy of the 8.1 update in the recovery partition that
is on most hard drives of new computers?

If not how can one obtain a copy of 8.1 for your recovery system on your
computer?

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go through
a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


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Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the A-Holes
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Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to turn

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Old October 21st 13, 07:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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What happens if you have to replace a hard drive and there was only one
on the computer at that time?

XS11E wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I
ever needed to reinstall Windows.

You're doing something wrong, try to figure out what it is.

--
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The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/


--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
day on the job for potty mouth,

Bur-ring, i'll get this one: WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM JERK!!? We're here to
help you dickweed, ok, ok give the power cord the jiggily piggily
wiggily all the while pushing the power button repeatedly now take
everything out of your computer except the power supply and *one* stick
of ram. Subscriber asks will that ****in' work? I guaranDAMtee it. Ok
get the next sucker on the phone.

Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR (Deirdre McFibber)

There's the employer and the employee and the FROGGER and the FROGEE,
which one are you?

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar (I just got EL-FROG-OED!!)

All hail Chuckcar the CZAR!! Or in F-R-O-Gland Chuckcar laFROG laCZAR,
ChuckZar!!

I hate them both, With useless bogus bull**** you need at least *three*
fulltime jobs to afford either one of them

I'm a fulltime text *only* man on usenet now. The rest of the world
downloads the binary files not me i can't afford thousands of dollars a
month

VBB = Volume based billing. How many bytes can we shove down your throat
and out your arse sir?

The only "fix" for the CellPig modem is a sledgehammer.

UBB = User based bullFROGGING

Colonel Debeers refuses to wrestle a black man
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-o_dPhbGI)

Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

Always do incremental backups of your data or you'll end up like the
A-Holes at DSL Reports. Justin says i made a boo-boo. Yeah boo-who.

Updates are for idiots. As long as the thing works there's no reason to
turn
schizophrenic and develop a lifelong complex over such a silly issue.

You don't have to be "stinkbottomed" to post on this newsgroup

Anyone who disagrees with me gets FROG tape over their yapper

Adrian "jackpot" Lewis is a mama's boy!

Jimmy Fricke is good for the game of poker

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday

This sig file was compiled via my journeys through usenet


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Old October 21st 13, 08:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Tony wrote:
What happens if you have to replace a hard drive and there was only one
on the computer at that time?


Restore from backup.

Paul
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Old October 21st 13, 10:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 21/10/2013 02:15, Ron wrote:
On 10/20/2013 6:33 PM, XS11E wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.


Windows needs to be reinstalled never.


Wrong.


Yes, it is an appalling use of English, worthy of Yoda. Never use that
term 'never', I would.
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Old October 21st 13, 05:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:52:23 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:



"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 15:33:04 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:

Since Windows must be reinstalled frequently I would hate to go
through a 4 hour download every time I must reinstall Windows.

Windows needs to be reinstalled never. Not since Windows 95 have I
ever needed to reinstall Windows.



I'm with you entirely (or almost entirely). I've been running Windows
since Windows 2.0, and I almost never reinstalled it. But once I had a
problem (I can't remember for sure what version--I think it was Vista,
but I'm not sure) that I couldn't solve by other means, and ended up
reinstalling.

So I would say, Windows *almost* never needs to be reinstalled. Here's
my standard post on the subject:

Why do you want to reformat and reinstall? In my view, it's usually a
mistake. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to
reinstall Windows (any version). I've run Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11,
WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows
Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now Windows 8.1,


What, no WinME? And here I thought you had a sense of adventure ;-)



I thought I did too. g Don't ask me why I never ran Millennium
Edition; I don't remember.


Actually, at home, I ran WinME but bypassed Win2k; I had Win2k on our CAD
stations at work. I liked WinME so much that I went back to it 2 or 3 times
before sticking with WinXP.



I've played with Me a few times on others' computers, but never
installed it any of mine. Having used it only a little, I was far from
an expert on it, but like you, and unlike many others, I never thought
it was terrible.

But I agree totally with your assessment-



Thanks for the agreement.


I never had to reinstall from
scratch except the one time with WinXP when I bought a new MB and mistakenly
thought it would boot up just fine. IIRC, I tried a repair installation
first, and that didn't work; hence, the scratch reinstallation.



That's a common reason for a clean reinstallation. But it has nothing
to do with the view of some people who think it should be done
periodically.


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