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Classic Shell Different Spin
On 11/3/2013 2:33 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
hink Classic Shell is very good; I just think Start8 is even better. I was a long time XP user and had put off upgrading to Windows 8, then the laptop died. I bought a laptop with Windows 8 and found that even IE runs on the desktop. Many of the OS programs like Defrag, etc also run from the desktop. So I set everything I use, Mozilla, Corel, etc, to run on the desktop. When the Windows 8.1 upgrade came, I did the upgrade and turned off the log in screen and made W8.1 to open to the desktop. I have found with this set up I find the operation quite similar to W XP. I have little need to access the start up with all of the advertising icons that float around the screen. I have been using W 8 for about 2 months, and I still do not know how to close some of the W 8 programs, that I use like MS Solitaire and Mahjong. Other things I dislike is the pop up screens that come out of no where, but I find it no more infuriating that the menu system of W XP where you chased the menu around the screen. I wish W 8.1 had thumbnail presentation for PDF and other files like W XP. While there is more access to the OS, I wish they were logically arranged, rather than having them like Brigadoon and show up accidentally every 100 days. |
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On 11/3/2013 2:33 PM, Ken Blake wrote: hink Classic Shell is very good; I
just think Start8 is even better. I was a long time XP user and had put off upgrading to Windows 8, then the laptop died. I bought a laptop with Windows 8 and found that even IE runs on the desktop. Many of the OS programs like Defrag, etc also run from the desktop. So I set everything I use, Mozilla, Corel, etc, to run on the desktop. When the Windows 8.1 upgrade came, I did the upgrade and turned off the log in screen and made W8.1 to open to the desktop. I have found with this set up I find the operation quite similar to W XP. I have little need to access the start up with all of the advertising icons that float around the screen. I have been using W 8 for about 2 months, and I still do not know how to close some of the W 8 programs, that I use like MS Solitaire and Mahjong. Other things I dislike is the pop up screens that come out of no where, but I find it no more infuriating that the menu system of W XP where you chased the menu around the screen. I wish W 8.1 had thumbnail presentation for PDF and other files like W XP. While there is more access to the OS, I wish they were logically arranged, rather than having them like Brigadoon and show up accidentally every 100 days. |
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Classic Shell different spin I applogize for the multiple postthe ISP was acting up
On 11/3/2013 3:31 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/3/2013 2:33 PM, Ken Blake wrote: hink Classic Shell is very good; I just think Start8 is even better. I was a long time XP user and had put off upgrading to Windows 8, then the laptop died. I bought a laptop with Windows 8 and found that even IE runs on the desktop. Many of the OS programs like Defrag, etc also run from the desktop. So I set everything I use, Mozilla, Corel, etc, to run on the desktop. When the Windows 8.1 upgrade came, I did the upgrade and turned off the log in screen and made W8.1 to open to the desktop. I have found with this set up I find the operation quite similar to W XP. I have little need to access the start up with all of the advertising icons that float around the screen. I have been using W 8 for about 2 months, and I still do not know how to close some of the W 8 programs, that I use like MS Solitaire and Mahjong. Other things I dislike is the pop up screens that come out of no where, but I find it no more infuriating that the menu system of W XP where you chased the menu around the screen. I wish W 8.1 had thumbnail presentation for PDF and other files like W XP. While there is more access to the OS, I wish they were logically arranged, rather than having them like Brigadoon and show up accidentally every 100 days. |
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On 11/03/2013 11:00 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
snip The two most recent examples have been the blue screen with the banner telling me I have to go to the app store to get 8.1, and just this morning when I needed to pair a Bluetooth device and the damn tiles came up. Fortunately, both times I was alone and not with customers, but that's obviously not always the case. I really need to upgrade to Win 7, but I don't have a license and since November of last year I've been averaging 80-90 billed hours per week, so I don't have a lot of time to build a system from scratch, install and configure my apps, etc. Meanwhile, I stumble forward, knowing I need to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. I did buy a spare hard drive, so at least the first step is complete. Anyway, that's why I bristle a bit when people say to install their favorite app to make 8 look like 7. It's only true as long as you keep your hands off the mouse and keyboard. Once you actually *use* your PC, the differences are numerous and obvious. As I said above, Classic Shell and Start8 and their cousins can't do anything about that and it's unfortunate. My experience with Win8 is quite limited but I have not had complaints from anyone who now used Classic Shell... OTOH they are all home users and if they got an occasional glitch it probably would not be as bad as someone who needed to give a presentation. So far I have never given anyone a recommendation to go with Win8. I tell them "Win7" if possible. That said, my wife and I just came back from a business trip and I had to put on a video presentation. Believe me I tested everything thoroughly before I left town to make sure there would be no glitches. Of course since I'm retired and do this voluntarily I have enough time to test it first. If I was working as many hours as you I doubt I'd have time. Also: I brought a backup computer with me...just in case of problems. So many of us have seen Youtube videos put on by IBM (OS/2) and Microsoft where the CEO ends up with a crashed computer and looking embarrassed. I always thought it odd with all they had at stake they did not have a backup plan. |
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On 11/03/2013 11:24 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:00:36 -0600, Char Jackson wrote in Re Classic Shell: Anyway, that's why I bristle a bit when people say to install their favorite app to make 8 look like 7. It's only true as long as you keep your hands off the mouse and keyboard. Once you actually *use* your PC, the differences are numerous and obvious. As I said above, Classic Shell and Start8 and their cousins can't do anything about that and it's unfortunate. What's really unfortunate is MS dumping something like Win8 on their users. Here's how that came about: Steve Balmer on stage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc I never held that video against Ballmer. I know the CEO if the compnay I worked for did a lot of crazy things while giving presentations for employees. Between Vista and Win8 though MS really dropped the ball. |
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On 11/03/2013 02:31 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/3/2013 2:33 PM, Ken Blake wrote: hink Classic Shell is very good; I just think Start8 is even better. snip As I probably mentioned somewhere, I'm an old timer who started out writing FORTRAN programs back in the punch card days then burned out by 1982. My first PC was a P-1 my (now) wife gave me an 1999 I turned it on and booted to Win95 and I knew absolutely /nothing/. I saw the "Start" button and said: "Gee, maybe I should start here." The I pressed it. Every day I'd come home from work and spend hours clicking on every thing I could get my hands on from the context menu and with no outside help...from Windows itself learned my way around. If I was new to computers and booted to Win8 for the first time, I don't know if I ever would have figured it out. |
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On 11/3/2013 4:16 PM, philo wrote:
On 11/03/2013 11:00 AM, Char Jackson wrote: snip The two most recent examples have been the blue screen with the banner telling me I have to go to the app store to get 8.1, and just this morning when I needed to pair a Bluetooth device and the damn tiles came up. Fortunately, both times I was alone and not with customers, but that's obviously not always the case. I really need to upgrade to Win 7, but I don't have a license and since November of last year I've been averaging 80-90 billed hours per week, so I don't have a lot of time to build a system from scratch, install and configure my apps, etc. Meanwhile, I stumble forward, knowing I need to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. I did buy a spare hard drive, so at least the first step is complete. Anyway, that's why I bristle a bit when people say to install their favorite app to make 8 look like 7. It's only true as long as you keep your hands off the mouse and keyboard. Once you actually *use* your PC, the differences are numerous and obvious. As I said above, Classic Shell and Start8 and their cousins can't do anything about that and it's unfortunate. My experience with Win8 is quite limited but I have not had complaints from anyone who now used Classic Shell... OTOH they are all home users and if they got an occasional glitch it probably would not be as bad as someone who needed to give a presentation. So far I have never given anyone a recommendation to go with Win8. I tell them "Win7" if possible. That said, my wife and I just came back from a business trip and I had to put on a video presentation. Believe me I tested everything thoroughly before I left town to make sure there would be no glitches. Of course since I'm retired and do this voluntarily I have enough time to test it first. If I was working as many hours as you I doubt I'd have time. Also: I brought a backup computer with me...just in case of problems. So many of us have seen Youtube videos put on by IBM (OS/2) and Microsoft where the CEO ends up with a crashed computer and looking embarrassed. I always thought it odd with all they had at stake they did not have a backup plan. With OS/2 you did not need a backup plan it rarely had a problem. When the computer duties were shared with a fellow employee, we had a multiple computer, LAN net work in two separate buildings that ran day in and day out with no problems. One day some of our new engineers realized were running OS/2 and had a fit because they consider it unreliable. After we explained the system they had been using since they were hired, and had been working reliably for years before they came, was OS/2; we went ahead with our original plan. The LAN lasted until the company was bought our and we switched to a windows emulation on I believe a UNIX system |
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On 11/3/2013 4:16 PM, philo wrote:
On 11/03/2013 11:00 AM, Char Jackson wrote: snip The two most recent examples have been the blue screen with the banner telling me I have to go to the app store to get 8.1, and just this morning when I needed to pair a Bluetooth device and the damn tiles came up. Fortunately, both times I was alone and not with customers, but that's obviously not always the case. I really need to upgrade to Win 7, but I don't have a license and since November of last year I've been averaging 80-90 billed hours per week, so I don't have a lot of time to build a system from scratch, install and configure my apps, etc. Meanwhile, I stumble forward, knowing I need to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. I did buy a spare hard drive, so at least the first step is complete. Anyway, that's why I bristle a bit when people say to install their favorite app to make 8 look like 7. It's only true as long as you keep your hands off the mouse and keyboard. Once you actually *use* your PC, the differences are numerous and obvious. As I said above, Classic Shell and Start8 and their cousins can't do anything about that and it's unfortunate. My experience with Win8 is quite limited but I have not had complaints from anyone who now used Classic Shell... OTOH they are all home users and if they got an occasional glitch it probably would not be as bad as someone who needed to give a presentation. So far I have never given anyone a recommendation to go with Win8. I tell them "Win7" if possible. That said, my wife and I just came back from a business trip and I had to put on a video presentation. Believe me I tested everything thoroughly before I left town to make sure there would be no glitches. Of course since I'm retired and do this voluntarily I have enough time to test it first. If I was working as many hours as you I doubt I'd have time. Also: I brought a backup computer with me...just in case of problems. So many of us have seen Youtube videos put on by IBM (OS/2) and Microsoft where the CEO ends up with a crashed computer and looking embarrassed. I always thought it odd with all they had at stake they did not have a backup plan. With OS/2 you did not need a backup plan it rarely had a problem. When the computer duties were shared with a fellow employee, we had a multiple computer, LAN net work in two separate buildings that ran day in and day out with no problems. One day some of our new engineers realized were running OS/2 and had a fit because they consider it unreliable. After we explained the system they had been using since they were hired, and had been working reliably for years before they came, was OS/2; we went ahead with our original plan. The LAN lasted until the company was bought our and we switched to a windows emulation on I believe a UNIX system |
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On 11/03/2013 04:32 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 11/3/2013 4:16 PM, philo wrote: X snip I've used OS/2 and I recently repaired a computer with warp3 on it that was used for a laser cutting machine. I like the OS but in your next sentence I see you have used the word "rarely" rather than "never". Now that I think of it, the Titanic hardly ever sank. With OS/2 you did not need a backup plan it rarely had a problem. When the computer duties were shared with a fellow employee, we had a multiple computer, LAN net work in two separate buildings that ran day in and day out with no problems. One day some of our new engineers realized were running OS/2 and had a fit because they consider it unreliable. After we explained the system they had been using since they were hired, and had been working reliably for years before they came, was OS/2; we went ahead with our original plan. The LAN lasted until the company was bought our and we switched to a windows emulation on I believe a UNIX system -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS85K...ature=youtu.be |
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On 11/3/2013 10:37 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:00:59 -0500, Ron wrote: On 11/2/2013 11:25 PM, philo wrote: I had to install Classic Shell on another Win8 machine yesterday. One of my friends was absolutely frantic! (Like me she's in her 60's) She said that she and her husband are just too old to learn all this new stuff and they have been barely able to use their new machine. I told her not to worry, so far I have been getting even more complaints from the younger generation. Honestly, once Classic Shell is installed I just cannot see any difference between Win8 and Win7. I agree, but Start8 is better. The start menu is identical to W7 and it runs smoother. Classic Shell lags a bit for some reason and the start menu (in W7 mode) is more like Win XP. Start8 is $5.00... I don't quite agree, but almost. I wouldn't say that I couldn't see any difference, but that the differences are few and minor. And I agree that Start8 is better, and worth the $5 I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 11/3/2013 8:03 PM, zeus wrote $5
I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. I have the same start button as Windows 7. |
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On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:31:24 -0500, Ron wrote:
On 11/3/2013 8:03 PM, zeus wrote $5 I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. I have the same start button as Windows 7. Me too. -- Ken Blake |
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:31:24 -0500, Ron wrote: On 11/3/2013 8:03 PM, zeus wrote $5 I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. I have the same start button as Windows 7. Me too. Me three. -- SC Tom |
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On 11/4/2013 1:11 PM, SC Tom wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:31:24 -0500, Ron wrote: On 11/3/2013 8:03 PM, zeus wrote $5 I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. I have the same start button as Windows 7. Me too. Me three. Guess I should have expanded. Right click on the start buttonConfigure Start8What should the start button look like?Custom imagePick imagea folder will open with a variety of start button choices. |
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On 11/4/2013 2:38 PM, Ron wrote:
On 11/4/2013 1:11 PM, SC Tom wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:31:24 -0500, Ron wrote: On 11/3/2013 8:03 PM, zeus wrote $5 I concur, I am spoiled, it's cheap and works so much more smoothly than all the other start button replacements, but I miss the logo for the windows vista/7 logo and its colorfulness. I have the same start button as Windows 7. Me too. Me three. Guess I should have expanded. Right click on the start buttonConfigure Start8What should the start button look like?Custom imagePick imagea folder will open with a variety of start button choices. the newest version deleted that choice for some reason, copyright issues? |
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