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Old November 4th 13, 05:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,


My ISP uses POP3. But there are other options. And Microsoft
hasn't always treated all the protocols equally. Meaning,
not all mail accounts might work with a Microsoft tool
at the helm.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...l-server-types

An article about the ignorance at Microsoft...
The thing is, some of the workarounds that are occasionally
provided (install some kind of connector), get broken the
next time they change things on the server end. Leaving the
users "flapping in the breeze".

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-rea...l-in-windows-8

This is the kind of crap we're used to seeing.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/wpress/wp-.../popmail-i.jpg

Some details on POP. IMAP is mentioned in passing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop3

You could always try the web site of the email provider
in question, to see if they give a recipe for setting
up mail or not.

Or you could switch to a non-Microsoft tool, one that
does list the protocol you need.

It's all great fun... for computer science graduates
and rocket scientists.

*******

If you expect help, you'd better provide some details.
An email provider, gives some info like this.

Incoming mail server settings

POP server: plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com
Use SSL
Port: 995

Outgoing mail server (SMTP) settings

SMTP server: plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com
Use SSL
Port: 465

If IP addresses, company names or the like are
involved, those will aid people here in
digging up a recipe for you. If webmail only
is involved, then the contact info will be
like: http://www.gmail.com . That sort of thing.

Paul
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Old November 4th 13, 06:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil Gould[_2_]
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Default What is up with MAIL?

Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,
--
Neil


  #3  
Old November 4th 13, 06:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Leala
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Default What is up with MAIL?

On 04-Nov-2013 12:04, Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,


Myself I can't stand Windows Live Mail or any Microsoft mail program.
Maybe a different mail program would be better.
Try Mozilla Thunderbird.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

--
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  #4  
Old November 4th 13, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_4_]
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Default What is up with MAIL?

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:45:13 -0500, Leala
wrote:

On 04-Nov-2013 12:04, Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,


Myself I can't stand Windows Live Mail



Same with me. But note that what he is asking about is *not* Windows
Live Mail.


or any Microsoft mail program.



But I like Microsoft Outlook a lot.


Maybe a different mail program would be better.



Each person should choose for himself what *he" likes best. We all
have different tastes and work in different ways, so nobody should
make a choice based on my opinion or your opinion.


Try Mozilla Thunderbird.



That's one choice that's worth trying (even though I don't
particularly like it, it's very popular), but I recommend trying
several so that he gets to choose the one he likes best.


--
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Old November 4th 13, 07:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Neil Gould wrote:

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts.


http://www.howtogeek.com/130516/how-...-in-windows-8/
"The Mail app included with Windows 8 only supports IMAP, Exchange,
Hotmail/Outlook.com, and Gmail accounts. Mail offers POP3 as an option
when setting up the account – but if you select POP3, you’ll be informed
that Mail doesn’t support POP."

It then goes on to describe tricks to use POP to access other accounts
by using IMAP with your local e-mail client. Don't bother. Get an
e-mail program that supports the protocol for your e-mail account(s).
  #6  
Old November 4th 13, 08:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default What is up with MAIL?

Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,

Win 8x Mail app supports Exchange Active Sync and IMAP. It does not
support POP3.

If you are using a Hotmail type account (Hotmail, Live, MSn,
Outlook.com) as your MSFT account then MSFT provides the option (in the
web UI) to aggregate the account into Hotmail type account (Inbox or
separate folder). Once aggregated your mail will still be sent from,
delivered to, and replied to your aggregated POP3 account while using
the Win8x Mail app or the Hotmail type account web UI. Additionally, you
have other features available at your disposal by configuration options
in the Hotmail type account web UI (Outlook.com) - junk filter, rules, etc.


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Old November 4th 13, 08:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Default What is up with MAIL?

On 11/4/13 11:26 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:45:13 -0500, Leala
wrote:

On 04-Nov-2013 12:04, Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some insights.
I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like to use the Mail app
on the Start menu to access existing non-Microsoft accounts. Is this
possible? Every step of the process suggests that it isn't, and that would
be... is "ridiculous" too strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something,
right?
TIA,


Myself I can't stand Windows Live Mail



Same with me. But note that what he is asking about is *not* Windows
Live Mail.


or any Microsoft mail program.



But I like Microsoft Outlook a lot.


Maybe a different mail program would be better.



Each person should choose for himself what *he" likes best. We all
have different tastes and work in different ways, so nobody should
make a choice based on my opinion or your opinion.


Try Mozilla Thunderbird.



That's one choice that's worth trying (even though I don't
particularly like it, it's very popular), but I recommend trying
several so that he gets to choose the one he likes best.


I have my own issues with TB. When I first got this Mac (4.5 years
ago), I tried Zimbra Desktop. I liked it, but soon thereafter Yahoo
sold it to VM Fusionware. They released Mac betas that didn't work. I
had less troubles with TB then, so gave up on Zimbra. But, for me, TB
is starting to show issues I don't like. I plan on giving Zimbra fresh
try, just haven't found the time.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 24.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.2.3
  #8  
Old November 4th 13, 09:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Neil Gould wrote:

Thanks Winston, VanguardLH, and others who confirm that Mail is not what I'd
like it to be.

I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to be less useful than
OE, for instance. But, if that's the best one can do in Win8, what a big
step backwards. POP is not going away, and I don't want or need any app
"harvesting" my email accounts, as that becomes a major point of failure
that can shut me down.


There are pros and cons of aggregating (harvesting) though it is a more
preferable approach to forwarding to an account capable of EAS or IMAP.

Any 'in-between' account that aggregates (harvests) a primary account
can be temporarily unavailable but the same backup method would still
apply for most provided email accounts (i.e. access the primary account
in the web UI). If the primary account server/host is the problem then
it doesn't matter if its aggregated or setup as a stand-alone in any
email client.

Lol...at least options are available and every one eventually has a
preferred email client.


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  #9  
Old November 4th 13, 09:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil Gould[_2_]
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....winston wrote:
Neil Gould wrote:
Hi,

OK... before I screw things up, I thought I'd ask here for some
insights. I'm still setting up my Win 8.1 notebook, and would like
to use the Mail app on the Start menu to access existing
non-Microsoft accounts. Is this possible? Every step of the process
suggests that it isn't, and that would be... is "ridiculous" too
strong a word? I'm sure I'm overlooking something, right?
TIA,

Win 8x Mail app supports Exchange Active Sync and IMAP. It does not
support POP3.

If you are using a Hotmail type account (Hotmail, Live, MSn,
Outlook.com) as your MSFT account then MSFT provides the option (in
the web UI) to aggregate the account into Hotmail type account (Inbox
or separate folder). Once aggregated your mail will still be sent
from, delivered to, and replied to your aggregated POP3 account while
using
the Win8x Mail app or the Hotmail type account web UI. Additionally,
you have other features available at your disposal by configuration
options
in the Hotmail type account web UI (Outlook.com) - junk filter,
rules, etc.

Thanks Winston, VanguardLH, and others who confirm that Mail is not what I'd
like it to be.

I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to be less useful than
OE, for instance. But, if that's the best one can do in Win8, what a big
step backwards. POP is not going away, and I don't want or need any app
"harvesting" my email accounts, as that becomes a major point of failure
that can shut me down.

I've already discovered bugs in IE11 that will prevent me from using it, and
have made FireFox my default browser, even though it, too, has bugs under
Win8.1, but not nearly as serious show-stoppers as IE. For instance, I can't
log into some accounts with IE, though earlier versions of IE, Chrome and
Firefox have no problem doing so.
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best regards,

Neil




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Old November 4th 13, 09:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:25:20 -0500, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to be less useful than
OE, for instance. But, if that's the best one can do in Win8, what a big
step backwards.



No, no, it's not the only or best e-mail program you can use in
Windows 8. You can use almost any e-mail program out there. There are
dozens of choices.

Here's a list of a few good ones:
http://email.about.com/od/windowsema...email_prog.htm

You can find many more with a web search. I like Microsoft Outlook,
myself, but you should choose what you like best.


I've already discovered bugs in IE11 that will prevent me from using it, and
have made FireFox my default browser, even though it, too, has bugs under
Win8.1, but not nearly as serious show-stoppers as IE. For instance, I can't
log into some accounts with IE, though earlier versions of IE, Chrome and
Firefox have no problem doing so.



Same with browsers. You should choose the one you like best. You might
want to try Maxthon, which is my favorite.


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Ken Blake
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Old November 4th 13, 10:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Neil Gould" wrote in message


I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to
be less useful than OE, for instance.


As did I. That's why I installed Virtual Box and stuck Windows XP into
it...so I could have OE.

Before doing that, I tried a SLEW of email programs. Some I liked but they
didn't do NNTP (I have no need for a separate NNTP client); others did NNTP
but the mail part sucked.



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Old November 4th 13, 10:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:06:07 -0500, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message


I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to
be less useful than OE, for instance.


As did I. That's why I installed Virtual Box and stuck Windows XP into
it...so I could have OE.

Before doing that, I tried a SLEW of email programs. Some I liked but they
didn't do NNTP (I have no need for a separate NNTP client); others did NNTP
but the mail part sucked.



Your view that e-mail and newsgroups should be in the same program is
a common one, but it's very different from my view. I have no problem
with their being two separate programs, and in fact I normally
recommend that you choose the newsreader you like best and the e-mail
program you like best, regardless of whether they are one program or
two.

So I use Forte Agent for my newsreader, but Microsoft Outlook for
e-mail (even though Agent also does e-mail).


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Old November 4th 13, 10:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Neil Gould wrote:

I have tried Thunderbird on earlier OSs, and found it to be less
useful than OE, for instance. But, if that's the best one can do in
Win8, what a big step backwards. POP is not going away, and I don't
want or need any app "harvesting" my email accounts, as that becomes
a major point of failure that can shut me down.


If you're stuck on believing Outlook Express is the best e-mail client
(for you) then maybe you should look at the $20 payware OE Classic
program. They have a freeware version but crippled to handle only 2
accounts (2 e-mail, 1 e-mail + 1 news, 2 news). My guess is you have
more than 2 e-mail accounts so their freeware version would be too
restrictive.

I didn't see they have a user forum where you could check on what type
of problems its users encounter. Search online for reviews or through
Usenet to see if users like or dislike this substitute for OE. It
claims to run on Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8.

http://www.oeclassic.com/

If you envied users of Outlook for all the other PIM features than just
e-mail (POP, IMAP, and SMTP - along with Exchange which you probably
couldn't give a gnat's fart about), EssentialPIM is a very similar PIM
program. Outlook still has a more robust set of rules but then many
users don't define very complicated rules. There is a freeware version
of EssentialPIM that you could check out before deciding if and when to
buy their payware version. Both run on Windows XP, Vista, 7, and 8.

http://www.essentialpim.com/
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Old November 4th 13, 10:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Blake wrote:

Here's a list of a few good ones:
http://email.about.com/od/windowsema...email_prog.htm


I question the purported expertise of anyone that includes Incredimail
as a good e-mail client. Once I saw that client listed, the credibility
of the author was gone.

The author never did define what criteria defined the "Top 11" e-mail
clients, like if this was his personal "likes" list, whether he actually
has any experience with any of the listed products, if the list came
from a survey (of an unspecified population count on votes), or was
garnered from some data center's collection of e-mail client connections
to see which ones were most used. Being in a "top somecount" list
should state just how those products qualified for making that top
n-count.
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Old November 4th 13, 11:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 15:54:30 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Here's a list of a few good ones:
http://email.about.com/od/windowsema...email_prog.htm


I question the purported expertise of anyone that includes Incredimail
as a good e-mail client. Once I saw that client listed, the credibility
of the author was gone.



OK. When I said "good" I was talking about what the author said, not
what I thought. And to tell the truth, I hadn't even looked carefully
at what it contained. I meant that list only as a starting place to
find a few things to try for himself.


The author never did define what criteria defined the "Top 11" e-mail
clients, like if this was his personal "likes" list, whether he actually
has any experience with any of the listed products, if the list came
from a survey (of an unspecified population count on votes), or was
garnered from some data center's collection of e-mail client connections
to see which ones were most used. Being in a "top somecount" list
should state just how those products qualified for making that top
n-count.




OK, but once again, I think each person should decide for himself
what's best for him, and not pay very much attention to anyone else's
views of what's best--other than using someone else's views as a
starting place for exploration.

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