OT How to display the Run box in win8

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.


--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

So I figurre I'll go to the icon in the quick launch bar and display
the properties to learn the program name, but right clicking on the
icon displays other things. (Later I tried alt-enter and it didn't
work either, but it made a little blue circle above the cursor.)

So I use windows explorer and go the Programs folder, to Microsoft
Office, etc. and I find no winword, or come to think of it any other
executables iirc. That's because they have a setting somewhere not
showing executables?

On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.

I decided not to wait.
1 As I said below, no file properties when right clicking on icon.
No properties anywhere that I can find.
2 Apparently no executables visible in Windows Explorer.
3 No extensions visible either, only Type.
4 Right click on space in Win Exp to right of column titles, get
long list of other possible columns (many times longer than in XP when
doing the same thing) But is extension there? No. Nor is File
extension.

So, since I wasn't able to use winword /r to redo all the associations
(probably it turns out because my brother has an OEM version of Word,
called Word Starter or Office Starter, which is supposed to come free
with advertising, but he has no advertising so I thought it was the
regular pre-installed version) and becaues there are different file
extensions, each of which has to be reset separately now (doc, docx,
doci, docp, or something like these last two) but I can't tell which
file ends in which, I have to go by Type. There are only two types in
the small sample I see, but there may be more Types yet to be
downloaded, and I haven't been able to fix the association for them
and my brother will be stuck again if he ever gets one. I do think I
got two extensions and that may be all there are in his computer now.


5 When running Word, neither the program nor the icon shows up on the
top line. I wanted to know if I was running Word or Word Starter but
the only way to tell seemed to be to close the program and restart it
looking carefully at some little flash box at the bottom of hte
screen.

6 No Help/About drop down menu, anywhere that I've used afaicr. Not
on Word and not on Gmail.

7 The drop down menus for Word sure seemed incomplete, though I had
no need for anything but About, seemed like things were missing. Maybe
because this was some free version.

8 No Run box on the Start screen. User has to know about winkey + r,
and even though I've read about and tried all of the winkey options
once or twice, after 30 years counting 10 witha PCJr, I still don't
think about winkey options. I'm sure my brother has never heard of
them. In fact the user has to know what the winkey is. It sounds
and reads like an emoticon, like winky or binky

9 And finally the great constant booby-trap in windows, Hide Extension
for Known File Types. Why do they set it that way? Just looking for
trouble. Well since all the extensions were hidden in win exp.I'm
not sure if any show anywhere, but I know I don't like it. So there.

Plus in the past when I tried other things I had other problems like
these.


--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

Probably did actually, because it's an OEM version, I guess.

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.

I decided not to wait.
1 As I said below, no file properties when right clicking on icon.
No properties anywhere that I can find.
2 Apparently no executables visible in Windows Explorer.
3 No extensions visible either, only Type.
4 Right click on space in Win Exp to right of column titles, get
long list of other possible columns (many times longer than in XP when
doing the same thing) But is extension there? No. Nor is File
extension.

So, since I wasn't able to use winword /r to redo all the associations
(probably it turns out because my brother has an OEM version of Word,
called Word Starter or Office Starter, which is supposed to come free
with advertising, but he has no advertising so I thought it was the
regular pre-installed version) and becaues there are different file
extensions, each of which has to be reset separately now (doc, docx,
doci, docp, or something like these last two) but I can't tell which
file ends in which, I have to go by Type. There are only two types in
the small sample I see, but there may be more Types yet to be
downloaded, and I haven't been able to fix the association for them
and my brother will be stuck again if he ever gets one. I do think I
got two extensions and that may be all there are in his computer now.


5 When running Word, neither the program nor the icon shows up on the
top line. I wanted to know if I was running Word or Word Starter but
the only way to tell seemed to be to close the program and restart it
looking carefully at some little flash box at the bottom of hte
screen.

6 No Help/About drop down menu, anywhere that I've used afaicr. Not
on Word and not on Gmail.

7 The drop down menus for Word sure seemed incomplete, though I had
no need for anything but About, seemed like things were missing. Maybe
because this was some free version.

8 No Run box on the Start screen. User has to know about winkey + r,
and even though I've read about and tried all of the winkey options
once or twice, after 30 years counting 10 witha PCJr, I still don't
think about winkey options. I'm sure my brother has never heard of
them. In fact the user has to know what the winkey is. It sounds
and reads like an emoticon, like winky or binky

9 And finally the great constant booby-trap in windows, Hide Extension
for Known File Types. Why do they set it that way? Just looking for
trouble. Well since all the extensions were hidden in win exp.I'm
not sure if any show anywhere, but I know I don't like it. So there.

Plus in the past when I tried other things I had other problems like
these.

--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

Probably did actually, because it's an OEM version, I guess.


I don't know if it'll work in Team Viewer, but on a
regular desktop, you could pop up Task Manager, and
see the names of the programs running. See from there,
what the program name is.

The other gem you could be using, is Process Explorer.
Find the Word program in the main window, then right-click
and do Properties. Then click "Image". You may see
a command line invocation of some sort there.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896653

You can download the entire suite, for future reference, from here.
See the download link near the bottom of the page. Some day, the
utilities will be updated to stop working on WinXP, so taking
a snapshot for a rainy day now is a good idea.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb842062

Paul

From: "micky"

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.


--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

So I figurre I'll go to the icon in the quick launch bar and display
the properties to learn the program name, but right clicking on the
icon displays other things. (Later I tried alt-enter and it didn't
work either, but it made a little blue circle above the cursor.)

So I use windows explorer and go the Programs folder, to Microsoft
Office, etc. and I find no winword, or come to think of it any other
executables iirc. That's because they have a setting somewhere not
showing executables?


Use ClassicShell with Windows 8 and 8.1
http://www.classicshell.net/

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

On 11/7/2013 6:11 PM, micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.

I decided not to wait.
1 As I said below, no file properties when right clicking on icon.
No properties anywhere that I can find.

Right - the properties of an icon are not very useful. You need to find
the .exe to which the icon points to get the kind of properties that you
are looking for.

If you have a real and current Office package, then WINWORD.EXE is in
Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14. I don't know about
the Office starter package; it may be elsewhere.

2 Apparently no executables visible in Windows Explorer.

Untrue - that's how I found WINWORD.EXE -- same old app name.

3 No extensions visible either, only Type.

Whether or not extensions (for known file types) are displayed is a
user option in WinExp. Invoke WinExp, then click on View, then click on
Options, then click on View (in the Folder Options window), then uncheck
the "Hide extensions" box. That is not new to WinV8; WinExp has worked
that way at least since WinXP

4 Right click on space in Win Exp to right of column titles, get
long list of other possible columns (many times longer than in XP when
doing the same thing) But is extension there? No. Nor is File
extension.

See above.

Run is still available. With WinV8.1, right-click on the Start icon
(or whatever the M$gang calls the icon that is in the lower left corner
of the desktop where good versions of Win parked the Start button) to
bring up a menu of useful stuff, including Run. Then click on Run to
get the familiar Run box. On my WinV8.1 with a real copy of Office,
typing "winword" (without the quotes) in the Open box (and then
hitting Enter) invokes Word as expected (I did not try "winword /r").

This method of bringing up the Run box is unique to WinV8.1. Under
WinV8, I used a non-M$ app to get to Run, but it was still available.

Also, if you use WinExp to point to a data file (e.g., readme.doc)
and right-click on it, you'll get a menu that includes OpenWith --
just like good old WinXP. You can use OpenWith to associate that
data file, or all such, to WINWORD.

I am not a fan of WinV8 or WinV7 or Vista, in that the changes to
the UI after WinXP seem to be mostly churning -- full employment
for boatloads of programmers. And I particularly dislike M$'s
attempt to gloss over the differences between PCs and phones/tablets.
(Dinosaur alert: I didn't immediately like WinXP, and I still
use Win98SE on one of my PCs.)

Good luck.
--
Cheers, Bob

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
You can download the entire suite, for future reference, from here.
See the download link near the bottom of the page. Some day, the
utilities will be updated to stop working on WinXP, so taking
a snapshot for a rainy day now is a good idea.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb842062

Paul

Even though it says "Updated: November 1, 2013", what you say makes good
sense. Thanks for the link - downloaded for the reason you say (even if
I don't know what most of the suite is for)!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Another lively meeting of thr 1922 Committee - the secret gathering of BBC
presenters that gets its name from the fact that no one is sober after
twenty-past seven. - Eddie Mair, RT 16-22 April 2011

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:53:30 -0500, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.
.................
--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

It turns out they did, at least for Starter Word.

Probably did actually, because it's an OEM version, I guess.


I don't know if it'll work in Team Viewer, but on a
regular desktop, you could pop up Task Manager, and
see the names of the programs running. See from there,
what the program name is.

Good idea. I didn't think of that.

The other gem you could be using, is Process Explorer.
Find the Word program in the main window, then right-click
and do Properties. Then click "Image". You may see
a command line invocation of some sort there.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896653

You can download the entire suite, for future reference, from here.
See the download link near the bottom of the page. Some day, the
utilities will be updated to stop working on WinXP, so taking
a snapshot for a rainy day now is a good idea.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb842062

I have this somewhere, maybe recommended by you in the first place,
but I dl'd another copy right now. It's probably been improved since
last I did.

Paul

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 07:44:34 -0500, Bob Willard
wrote:

On 11/7/2013 6:11 PM, micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.

I decided not to wait.
1 As I said below, no file properties when right clicking on icon.
No properties anywhere that I can find.

Right - the properties of an icon are not very useful. You need to find
the .exe to which the icon points to get the kind of properties that you
are looking for.

More than anyone wants to know, but just for the record:

All I wanted to find was what program the icon pointed to, since the
Run box couldn't find winword. But it turned out there were two
sets of instructions to fix the problem. One was for Starter Word,
and I didn't think my brother had that, since it said it included
advertising, and I didn't see any advertising. But indeed he did have
that, and for that, they didn't suggest winword, or using the Run box
at all.

What happened was the update in September to MS Word screwed up the
associations, so Word files were no longer associated with Word or
Starter Word. The almost expected method was recommended in my
brother's case, using Open With and choosing, well, not Word, but
Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler. I guess that is
Starter Word, but it woudln't have occurred to me if I hadn't read it
in the instructions of how to fix this. (Actually for the first 3
days after the problem started, there were no valid instruction, only
bad ones, and some people ended up deleting their Starter Word with no
way offered by MS to get it back, since it's an OEM program. I'm
lucky my brother didn't notice this right away.

The trouble with doing it with "open with" is that I had to do it for
each extension, and since win8 doesn't show extensions, only Type, I
had to hope that there was a different Type for each of the
extensions. (There were two Word Types, one that just said Word iirc
and one that said Word 97.) I figured that winword /r would redo all
the needed associations in one step.

If you have a real and current Office package, then WINWORD.EXE is in
Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14. I don't know about
the Office starter package; it may be elsewhere.

2 Apparently no executables visible in Windows Explorer.

Untrue - that's how I found WINWORD.EXE -- same old app name.

My brother disconnected me, even before I posted, so I can't check
again, I'm sure winword is not there because he doesn't have that, but
I mean check for other executables. I looked in the Programs folder
and also Programsnnn. The print was so small I couldn't see what nnn
was.

3 No extensions visible either, only Type.

Whether or not extensions (for known file types) are displayed is a
user option in WinExp. Invoke WinExp, then click on View, then click on
Options, then click on View (in the Folder Options window), then uncheck
the "Hide extensions" box. That is not new to WinV8; WinExp has worked
that way at least since WinXP

And in WinME and Win98. It has haunted me for every version of
windows, except maybe 3.1. The problem is changing it on my brother's
computer. He might not like that. And I had limited time to find the
right screen, because my brother likes to turn things off when he's
done with them**, not enough time to be sure of changing it and then
changing it back. I guess I should just change it, but I want to
talk to him about it if I do, why the appearance has changed.

**He's my older brother. I only have limited influence on him, even
wrt computers where he knows I know a lot more than he.

4 Right click on space in Win Exp to right of column titles, get
long list of other possible columns (many times longer than in XP when
doing the same thing) But is extension there? No. Nor is File
extension.

See above.

But I still expected to see "extension" as one of the possible columns
in WinExp, even if the Folder Option is set to Hide.

It's a big mistake to hide extensions, because there can be a virus
file named BaseballStats.doc and really its BaseballStats.doc.exe and
it's a virus and someone clicks on it thinking it's a .doc file.
And MS shouldn't make hiding extensions, at least those that represent
executables, the default. It's all part of their dumbing things down
for the non-computer types, changing the name directory to folder,
etc. but this one is too dangerous.

Run is still available. With WinV8.1, right-click on the Start icon
(or whatever the M$gang calls the icon that is in the lower left corner
of the desktop where good versions of Win parked the Start button) to
bring up a menu of useful stuff, including Run.

I'm pretty sure I did right-click. Again I forget what happened.
Maybe it was nothing except a blue circle appearing above and to the
right of the cursor

Then click on Run to
get the familiar Run box. On my WinV8.1 with a real copy of Office,
typing "winword" (without the quotes) in the Open box (and then
hitting Enter) invokes Word as expected (I did not try "winword /r").

I wouldn't expect you to try /r. What you did was test enough.
Thank you.

This method of bringing up the Run box is unique to WinV8.1. Under
WinV8, I used a non-M$ app to get to Run, but it was still available.

I don't know if he has v8 or v8.1, but it does show that they made a
mistake in their menus in v8, since they had to add it later.

I got the Runbox to show up by using the winkey + r, but because I was
using Teamviewer I think, I had to try several times. I had trouble
pressing the keys at the right time.

Also, if you use WinExp to point to a data file (e.g., readme.doc)
and right-click on it, you'll get a menu that includes OpenWith --
just like good old WinXP. You can use OpenWith to associate that
data file, or all such, to WINWORD.

Yes, that's what I eventually did. See above. Thanks.

I am not a fan of WinV8 or WinV7 or Vista, in that the changes to
the UI after WinXP seem to be mostly churning -- full employment
for boatloads of programmers.

Exactly.

And I particularly dislike M$'s
attempt to gloss over the differences between PCs and phones/tablets.
(Dinosaur alert: I didn't immediately like WinXP, and I still
use Win98SE on one of my PCs.)

Good luck.

I'll need it. ;-)

In message , micky
writes:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:53:30 -0500, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.
.................
--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

It turns out they did, at least for Starter Word.
[]
What to?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

My daughter is appalled by it at all times, but you know you have to appal
your 14-year-old daughter otherwise you're not doing your job as a father. -
Richard Osman to Alison Graham, in Radio Times 2013-6-8 to 14

On 07/11/2013 22:36, micky wrote:
I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.

To fix a MS Word bug introduced in September.

After I display the Run box, I'm supposed to say winword.exe /r

Never mind, I did it. But win8 fought me at every turn. I hate
win8 and I'm glad i'm not using it.

I had 4 or 5 problems just trying to do one thing. If you're curious,
post and I'll tell you all why I hate it.


--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

So I figurre I'll go to the icon in the quick launch bar and display
the properties to learn the program name, but right clicking on the
icon displays other things. (Later I tried alt-enter and it didn't
work either, but it made a little blue circle above the cursor.)

So I use windows explorer and go the Programs folder, to Microsoft
Office, etc. and I find no winword, or come to think of it any other
executables iirc. That's because they have a setting somewhere not
showing executables?




You can go to tour metro screen and click on the down-arrow as shown in
this pictu
http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/1780bcd3-0735-4529-a42d-994d3407b6ee/2013-11-09_2113.png


this will expand the Windows Applications on your system and you just
need to scroll right using the wheel on your mouse and at the end of the
scrren you will see something like this:
http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/08561a1f-858c-49e5-b174-91d1b6f21283/2013-11-09_2115.png

All you need to do is to right-click on the "run" icon and you have
various options what you want to do: e.g pin to the start button or put
it on the desktop etc etc.

good luck.

On 09/11/2013 19:38, micky wrote:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.



Personally, I avoid all third-party tools simply because you need to try
to use Windows UI as it is and get used to it as quickly as possible.
Mind you, we are not going to get the old style Windows UI and all
future Windows system will build on windows 8.1.

Your knowledge of old windows will help you a lot to get best out of
Windows 8/8.1.

On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 20:48:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , micky
writes:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:53:30 -0500, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.
.................
--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

It turns out they did, at least for Starter Word.
[]
What to?

Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler

Hard to believe, isn't it? But that's what the repair instructions**
said to choose for Open With. If they had called it Starter Word,
people would have had a chance of finding it without instructions,
especially important since the instruction to fix the problem they
were giving out the first 3 or more days were wrong.

I guess Client means its an OEM program, and Handler means it does
something with it, but Virtualization eludes me.

**In case anyone wants to see it for himself
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/o...5-70876e5715a7
On about the 4th screen.
"Instead, follow this procedu

In Windows Explorer, right-click on a Word file.
Choose Open With, then Choose Default Program.
If you see “Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler,”
choose that.
Making sure that the box for “Always use the selected program to
open this kind of file” is checked, click OK.

If you don't see "Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler," do
nothing and wait for a fix. You should still be able to open Word
Starter and open the files from within it."

In message , micky
writes:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 20:48:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , micky
writes:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:53:30 -0500, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.
.................
--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

It turns out they did, at least for Starter Word.
[]
What to?

Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler

Hard to believe, isn't it? But that's what the repair instructions**
said to choose for Open With. If they had called it Starter Word,
[]
No, it doesn't surprise me at all. But I'd expect the option under "Open
With" for full Word to be something like "Word" or "Microsoft Word",
rather than "winword" which is the name of the executable. So does the
"Starter Word" have a different executable name?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The main and the most glorious achievement of television is that it is killing
the art of conversation. If we think of the type of conversation television is
helping to kill, our gratitude must be undying. (George Mikes, "How to be
Inimitable" [1960].)

On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:39:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , micky
writes:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 20:48:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , micky
writes:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.

On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 02:53:30 -0500, Paul wrote:

micky wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:36:44 -0500, micky
wrote:

I need to do something with Team viewer on my brother's computer.
.................
--------------------
But the computer replies that it can't find a program by that name.
Surely they didn't change the name winword after all these years.

It turns out they did, at least for Starter Word.
[]
What to?

Microsoft Office Client Virtualization Handler

Hard to believe, isn't it? But that's what the repair instructions**
said to choose for Open With. If they had called it Starter Word,
[]
No, it doesn't surprise me at all. But I'd expect the option under "Open
With" for full Word to be something like "Word" or "Microsoft Word",
rather than "winword" which is the name of the executable.

That would make sense, but since my brother doesn't have the other
version, I didn't see what it called it in the Open With box.

So does the
"Starter Word" have a different executable name?

It must because earlier when I got the Run box open, I put in
winword.exe /r and it said File not found, or something like that.

I never found out what it was.

On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:25:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/11/2013 19:38, micky wrote:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.



Personally, I avoid all third-party tools simply because you need to try
to use Windows UI as it is and get used to it as quickly as possible.


You're choice entirely, of course, but I don't understand that reason
at all. Why do you "need" to do anything like that? Moreover if you
use Classic Shell (or even better, Start8) you continue to use the
Windows UI with some improvements. Why should you choose to turn down
those improvements?


Mind you, we are not going to get the old style Windows UI and all
future Windows system will build on windows 8.1.


Almost certainly true. I agree with you on that.


Your knowledge of old windows will help you a lot to get best out of
Windows 8/8.1.


I agree with you there too.