OT How to display the Run box in win8

In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:25:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/11/2013 19:38, micky wrote:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.



Personally, I avoid all third-party tools simply because you need to try
to use Windows UI as it is and get used to it as quickly as possible.


You're choice entirely, of course, but I don't understand that reason
at all. Why do you "need" to do anything like that? Moreover if you
use Classic Shell (or even better, Start8) you continue to use the
Windows UI with some improvements. Why should you choose to turn down
those improvements?

Yes, I was a bit puzzled too. Although I agree it's good to learn how to
use the default functionality to its fullest extent (and certainly,
there is plenty of third-party stuff that in fact only duplicates
something that's already there, if you knew how to use/get-at it), I
certainly wouldn't be without my third-party stuff (like IrfanView for
example).

However, there is one place where you can't rely on third party stuff,
and it isn't clear whether Good Guy is or not: when you're providing
support to (lots of) others, who may not have the third party stuff, and
may not want it (or to pay for it if not free for whatever use). (I
inserted the "(lots of)" to mean the more or less professional helpdesk
or service shop situations; for just supporting friends and family, we
can make it a condition of our support that they install - or let us do
so - the things we want/need.)

Mind you, we are not going to get the old style Windows UI and all
future Windows system will build on windows 8.1.


Almost certainly true. I agree with you on that.

Probably, for the near future, I do too. Whether they might change their
mind in the longer term is still open to conjectu in the near future,
it would mean too much loss of face, but in the longer term, maybe.

Your knowledge of old windows will help you a lot to get best out of
Windows 8/8.1.


I agree with you there too.

Or any: knowledge of previous Windows always helps _somewhat_ when
learning new ones (though can also hinder too!); knowing general
computing principles can help with other OSs too.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... there were certain words you couldn't say in front of a girl. Now you can
say all of them - but you can't say girl!" Tom Lehrer on BBC Radio 4, September
1998.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:25:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/11/2013 19:38, micky wrote:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.



Personally, I avoid all third-party tools simply because you need to try
to use Windows UI as it is and get used to it as quickly as possible.


You're choice entirely, of course, but I don't understand that reason
at all. Why do you "need" to do anything like that? Moreover if you
use Classic Shell (or even better, Start8) you continue to use the
Windows UI with some improvements. Why should you choose to turn down
those improvements?

Yes, I was a bit puzzled too. Although I agree it's good to learn how to
use the default functionality to its fullest extent (and certainly,
there is plenty of third-party stuff that in fact only duplicates
something that's already there, if you knew how to use/get-at it), I
certainly wouldn't be without my third-party stuff (like IrfanView for
example).

However, there is one place where you can't rely on third party stuff,
and it isn't clear whether Good Guy is or not: when you're providing
support to (lots of) others, who may not have the third party stuff, and
may not want it (or to pay for it if not free for whatever use). (I
inserted the "(lots of)" to mean the more or less professional helpdesk
or service shop situations; for just supporting friends and family, we
can make it a condition of our support that they install - or let us do
so - the things we want/need.)

Mind you, we are not going to get the old style Windows UI and all
future Windows system will build on windows 8.1.


Almost certainly true. I agree with you on that.

Probably, for the near future, I do too. Whether they might change their
mind in the longer term is still open to conjectu in the near future,
it would mean too much loss of face, but in the longer term, maybe.

Your knowledge of old windows will help you a lot to get best out of
Windows 8/8.1.


I agree with you there too.

Or any: knowledge of previous Windows always helps _somewhat_ when
learning new ones (though can also hinder too!); knowing general
computing principles can help with other OSs too.

I must be missing something. Are we saying that some actually believe the
Windows 8 interface is improved over the previous versions of Windows? (I'm
not talking about for laptops, although even that might be debateable, I'm
talking about for desktops). That's sure not what I've been hearing. (And
that those of us who prefer the Classic Start menu are just old fogies? :-)

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , "Ken Blake,
MVP" writes:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:25:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/11/2013 19:38, micky wrote:

Thanks David, for Classic Shell.



Personally, I avoid all third-party tools simply because you need to try
to use Windows UI as it is and get used to it as quickly as possible.


You're choice entirely, of course, but I don't understand that reason
at all. Why do you "need" to do anything like that? Moreover if you
use Classic Shell (or even better, Start8) you continue to use the
Windows UI with some improvements. Why should you choose to turn down
those improvements?

Yes, I was a bit puzzled too. Although I agree it's good to learn how to
use the default functionality to its fullest extent (and certainly,
there is plenty of third-party stuff that in fact only duplicates
something that's already there, if you knew how to use/get-at it), I
certainly wouldn't be without my third-party stuff (like IrfanView for
example).

However, there is one place where you can't rely on third party stuff,
and it isn't clear whether Good Guy is or not: when you're providing
support to (lots of) others, who may not have the third party stuff, and
may not want it (or to pay for it if not free for whatever use). (I
inserted the "(lots of)" to mean the more or less professional helpdesk
or service shop situations; for just supporting friends and family, we
can make it a condition of our support that they install - or let us do
so - the things we want/need.)

Mind you, we are not going to get the old style Windows UI and all
future Windows system will build on windows 8.1.


Almost certainly true. I agree with you on that.

Probably, for the near future, I do too. Whether they might change their
mind in the longer term is still open to conjectu in the near future,
it would mean too much loss of face, but in the longer term, maybe.

Your knowledge of old windows will help you a lot to get best out of
Windows 8/8.1.


I agree with you there too.

Or any: knowledge of previous Windows always helps _somewhat_ when
learning new ones (though can also hinder too!); knowing general
computing principles can help with other OSs too.

I must be missing something. Are we saying that some actually believe the
Windows 8 interface is improved over the previous versions of Windows? (I'm
not talking about for laptops, although even that might be debateable, I'm
talking about for desktops). That's sure not what I've been hearing. (And
that those of us who prefer the Classic Start menu are just old fogies? :-)


You're certainly not hearing it from me! "Good Guy" is the one who says
(a) learn the newest version as soon as possible (b) he avoids
third-party tools. I do agree with him that we should learn to use the
new - not doing so is head-in-the-sand - but I certainly don't find the
current implementation of 8 (or 8.1) appeals to _me_, and would use
Classic. (Or, in my case, stay with XP!) I was only _suggesting_ that he
might have had a reason: he's in the support business, which _has_ to
know how to use the latest, and know it well. But I don't know if that's
the case or not.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Here it's someone else's job to deal with the money. Clinical decisions
revolve around the patient's needs without any competing financial interests,
and there is no financial incentive to perform unnecessary or more expensive
procedures. That is a real plus. - Neurosurgeon Ludvic Zrinzo, in Radio Times
23-29 March 2013