Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7

and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Miro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just bought
this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Miro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

IE11 will only be released for
- Windows 8.1
and
- Windows 7 (less features than Win8.1)
* See this article for the 12 features that are not present in Win7
thus not supported in IE11

If one wishes to use IE11 on Windows 8, it is necessary to upgrade to
Windows 8.1 and prior to Nov 2015 (the support end date for both 8 and 8.1)

i.e. if one wishes to continue to use Windows with current available
features and in a supported operating system environment the only
choices moving forward are Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

....winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Miro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

IE11 will only be released for
- Windows 8.1
and
- Windows 7 (less features than Win8.1)
* See this article for the 12 features that are not present in Win7
thus not supported in IE11

If one wishes to use IE11 on Windows 8, it is necessary to upgrade to
Windows 8.1 and prior to Nov 2015 (the support end date for both 8 and 8.1)

i.e. if one wishes to continue to use Windows with current available
features and in a supported operating system environment the only
choices moving forward are Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.


Link mentioned in prior post.

* See this article for the 12 features that are not present in Win7
thus not supported in IE11
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/...hange-log.aspx

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just bought
this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecyc...lpha=windows+8

qp
Windows 8.1 will remain under the same lifecycle policy as Windows 8
with support ending 1/10/2023. Windows 8 customers will have 24 months
to move to Windows 8.1 after the General Availability of the Windows 8.1
update in order to remain supported. See the Windows 8.1 FAQ for more
information.
/qp

i.e. the 2023 date originally applicable to Windows 8 is now becomes
applicable to Windows 8.1 and revising the end date for Windows 8 to 24
months after Windows 8.1 release (Nov 2015).

As noted in an earlier post...the primary supported operating systems
moving forward are Windows 7 and Windows 8.1


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just bought
this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/

"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which
is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just
bought this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/


"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

There's always some of that to go around.

Are you or have your ever used BitLocker ?

For educational purposes....

There are 4 options to save your Bitlocker key
1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
3. Save to your MSFT account
4. Print the recovery key

If #3 is chosen and one looks on their SkyDrive, the key won't be found.
The path (url) to obtain a key stored in your MSFT acccount does use a
SkyDrive url...but it's only accessible and stored in your MSFT account.

To access the key stored with option #3 go to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=237614
which will resolve to the following in the browser address bar
https://skydrive.live.com/P.mvc#!/recoverykey

Maybe another layer of tin foil would have been in order for the last 15
months...saving it to one's MSFT account has been available since Win8
was released.
-i.e. it's not a new feature in Win 8.1
(With MSFT updating their web sites by replacing 8 with 8.1, its
becoming more difficult to find 8.0 only info. Imo, this is planned to
ensure as many people using 8 upgrade to 8.1 in the next 2 yrs)

Before accessing the BL key in your MSFT Account, since its security
related, one is required to enter a security code if the device being
used to access the site has not been configured as Trusted.

The cloud storage concern will always be a topic of discussion on both
sides of the track. Looking at the 4 options to save the BL Key and
knowing how often folks delete/forget/lose options created by 1,2, and 4
then 3 for certain folk could very well be the most robust route of storage.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

....winston wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which
is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just
bought this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/



"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

There's always some of that to go around.

Are you or have your ever used BitLocker ?

For educational purposes....

There are 4 options to save your Bitlocker key
1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
3. Save to your MSFT account
4. Print the recovery key

If #3 is chosen and one looks on their SkyDrive, the key won't be found.
The path (url) to obtain a key stored in your MSFT acccount does use a
SkyDrive url...but it's only accessible and stored in your MSFT account.

To access the key stored with option #3 go to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=237614
which will resolve to the following in the browser address bar
https://skydrive.live.com/P.mvc#!/recoverykey

Maybe another layer of tin foil would have been in order for the last 15
months...saving it to one's MSFT account has been available since Win8
was released.
-i.e. it's not a new feature in Win 8.1
(With MSFT updating their web sites by replacing 8 with 8.1, its
becoming more difficult to find 8.0 only info. Imo, this is planned to
ensure as many people using 8 upgrade to 8.1 in the next 2 yrs)

Before accessing the BL key in your MSFT Account, since its security
related, one is required to enter a security code if the device being
used to access the site has not been configured as Trusted.

The cloud storage concern will always be a topic of discussion on both
sides of the track. Looking at the 4 options to save the BL Key and
knowing how often folks delete/forget/lose options created by 1,2, and 4
then 3 for certain folk could very well be the most robust route of
storage.


There's no excuse for it. None.

It's a clear violation of good practice.

These options, make it the user's responsibility
to protect their key.

1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
4. Print the recovery key

This one does not. This is a mistake.

3. Save to your MSFT account

You don't store the keys to your car
in the middle of the street. You
store them where they'll be safe.
This is not safe. It's reckless.

Paul

On 11/8/2013 3:05 AM, ...winston wrote:
Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Miro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

IE11 will only be released for
- Windows 8.1
and
- Windows 7 (less features than Win8.1)
* See this article for the 12 features that are not present in Win7
thus not supported in IE11

If one wishes to use IE11 on Windows 8, it is necessary to upgrade to
Windows 8.1 and prior to Nov 2015 (the support end date for both 8 and 8.1)

i.e. if one wishes to continue to use Windows with current available
features and in a supported operating system environment the only
choices moving forward are Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.



Why in the hell would they continue to put out updates for Windows 8
until Nov of 2015 but not offer IE 11 for Windows 8? I can't stay with
Windows 8 if I want this computer fully updated (including the latest
version of IE) and I can't install Windows 7 because HP doesn't have any
Windows 7 drivers for this computer.

On 08/11/2013 15:29, Ron wrote:

Why in the hell would they continue to put out updates for Windows 8
until Nov of 2015 but not offer IE 11 for Windows 8? I can't stay with
Windows 8 if I want this computer fully updated (including the latest
version of IE) and I can't install Windows 7 because HP doesn't have any
Windows 7 drivers for this computer.


So why are you reluctant to upgrade your system to windows 8.1? It is
free and you can image your HD before upgrading so that you can revert
to Windows 8 if you don't like 8.1.

Frankly, most people won't notice any difference between 8 and 8.1.

HP not having drivers for Windows 7 is news to me because DELL and HP
tend to use the same hardware for Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1. You just
need to search for them.

On 11/8/2013 12:51 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 08/11/2013 15:29, Ron wrote:

Why in the hell would they continue to put out updates for Windows 8
until Nov of 2015 but not offer IE 11 for Windows 8? I can't stay with
Windows 8 if I want this computer fully updated (including the latest
version of IE) and I can't install Windows 7 because HP doesn't have any
Windows 7 drivers for this computer.


So why are you reluctant to upgrade your system to windows 8.1? It is
free and you can image your HD before upgrading so that you can revert
to Windows 8 if you don't like 8.1.

Frankly, most people won't notice any difference between 8 and 8.1.

HP not having drivers for Windows 7 is news to me because DELL and HP
tend to use the same hardware for Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1. You just
need to search for them.



Mainly because of what I've been reading about Skydrive.

I never use the Metro screen (where most of the improvements were made)
so it's pointless for me to upgrade at this point.

This computer never came with Windows 7. It was released with Windows 8.
So, there are no Windows 7 drivers for it on Hp's website. Windows 8 and
8.1 drivers only.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/s...roduct=5357172

Paul wrote:
...winston wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which
is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just
bought this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/



"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

There's always some of that to go around.

Are you or have your ever used BitLocker ?

For educational purposes....

There are 4 options to save your Bitlocker key
1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
3. Save to your MSFT account
4. Print the recovery key

If #3 is chosen and one looks on their SkyDrive, the key won't be
found. The path (url) to obtain a key stored in your MSFT acccount
does use a SkyDrive url...but it's only accessible and stored in your
MSFT account.

To access the key stored with option #3 go to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=237614
which will resolve to the following in the browser address bar
https://skydrive.live.com/P.mvc#!/recoverykey

Maybe another layer of tin foil would have been in order for the last
15 months...saving it to one's MSFT account has been available since
Win8 was released.
-i.e. it's not a new feature in Win 8.1
(With MSFT updating their web sites by replacing 8 with 8.1, its
becoming more difficult to find 8.0 only info. Imo, this is planned to
ensure as many people using 8 upgrade to 8.1 in the next 2 yrs)

Before accessing the BL key in your MSFT Account, since its security
related, one is required to enter a security code if the device being
used to access the site has not been configured as Trusted.

The cloud storage concern will always be a topic of discussion on both
sides of the track. Looking at the 4 options to save the BL Key and
knowing how often folks delete/forget/lose options created by 1,2, and
4 then 3 for certain folk could very well be the most robust route of
storage.


There's no excuse for it. None.

It's a clear violation of good practice.

These options, make it the user's responsibility
to protect their key.

1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
4. Print the recovery key

This one does not. This is a mistake.

3. Save to your MSFT account

You don't store the keys to your car
in the middle of the street. You
store them where they'll be safe.
This is not safe. It's reckless.

Paul

Opinions are what they are - varied.
Just like choices. If using BL you get to choose 1, 2, 3, or 4.

From my experience...more people using BL have problems because of 1,2
and 4 (lost, deleted, misplaced, and my favorite - 'OMG, I formatted
that USB drive to download warez'

Whether its reckless or not..by installing any Windows you agree to
features provided as-is. If seen as reckless or not - you still agreed
to it. If you don't agree, don't install it.....choices, choices.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 12:51 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 08/11/2013 15:29, Ron wrote:

Why in the hell would they continue to put out updates for Windows 8
until Nov of 2015 but not offer IE 11 for Windows 8? I can't stay with
Windows 8 if I want this computer fully updated (including the latest
version of IE) and I can't install Windows 7 because HP doesn't have any
Windows 7 drivers for this computer.


So why are you reluctant to upgrade your system to windows 8.1? It is
free and you can image your HD before upgrading so that you can revert
to Windows 8 if you don't like 8.1.

Frankly, most people won't notice any difference between 8 and 8.1.

HP not having drivers for Windows 7 is news to me because DELL and HP
tend to use the same hardware for Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1. You just
need to search for them.



Mainly because of what I've been reading about Skydrive.

I never use the Metro screen (where most of the improvements were made)
so it's pointless for me to upgrade at this point.

This computer never came with Windows 7. It was released with Windows 8.
So, there are no Windows 7 drivers for it on Hp's website. Windows 8 and
8.1 drivers only.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/s...roduct=5357172



Why no updates for 8 after Nov 2015 ?
-apparently MSFT's choice is to get everyone off XP, Vista and Win8
and on supported operating systems (Win7, Win8.1)

SkyDrive in 8.1
- it's in 8.0 too. In 8.1 you do have the choice to disable it as the
default file save location. Once done, it's not much different than what
you currently have in Win8 - in either (8 or 8.1) you still need a MSFT
account to use it (save to, access, delete)
-

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 11/8/2013 5:12 AM, Paul wrote:
...winston wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which
is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just
bought this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/



"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

There's always some of that to go around.

Are you or have your ever used BitLocker ?

For educational purposes....

There are 4 options to save your Bitlocker key
1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
3. Save to your MSFT account
4. Print the recovery key

If #3 is chosen and one looks on their SkyDrive, the key won't be
found. The path (url) to obtain a key stored in your MSFT acccount
does use a SkyDrive url...but it's only accessible and stored in your
MSFT account.

To access the key stored with option #3 go to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=237614
which will resolve to the following in the browser address bar
https://skydrive.live.com/P.mvc#!/recoverykey

Maybe another layer of tin foil would have been in order for the last
15 months...saving it to one's MSFT account has been available since
Win8 was released.
-i.e. it's not a new feature in Win 8.1
(With MSFT updating their web sites by replacing 8 with 8.1, its
becoming more difficult to find 8.0 only info. Imo, this is planned to
ensure as many people using 8 upgrade to 8.1 in the next 2 yrs)

Before accessing the BL key in your MSFT Account, since its security
related, one is required to enter a security code if the device being
used to access the site has not been configured as Trusted.

The cloud storage concern will always be a topic of discussion on both
sides of the track. Looking at the 4 options to save the BL Key and
knowing how often folks delete/forget/lose options created by 1,2, and
4 then 3 for certain folk could very well be the most robust route of
storage.


There's no excuse for it. None.

It's a clear violation of good practice.

These options, make it the user's responsibility
to protect their key.

1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
4. Print the recovery key

This one does not. This is a mistake.

3. Save to your MSFT account

You don't store the keys to your car
in the middle of the street. You
store them where they'll be safe.
This is not safe. It's reckless.

Paul

NSA spying will be the end to cloud storage, unless companies like
Microsoft and Google deny access to the agency unless it has a court
order, and I don't mean a secret court order. They also need to block
any attempt by the agency to gain access illegally.



U.S. spying harms cloud computing, Internet freedom: Wikipedia founder


By Nerijus Adomaitis

OSLO Thu Nov 7, 2013 12:36pm EST

(Reuters) - The United States' alleged large-scale surveillance of
global communications networks will badly harm the U.S. cloud computing
industry, the founder of Wikipedia said on Thursday.

Jimmy Wales, who launched the online encyclopaedia service 12 year ago,
said the U.S. eavesdropping, revealed by leaks from former U.S.
intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, also poses a threat to Internet
freedoms by giving an excuse to oppressive regimes to introduce more
censorship.

"It's going to have a big impact on the cloud computing industry as
people are afraid to put data in the U.S., but it's also devastating for
the kind of work I do," Wales told reporters after speaking at an IT
event in Norway.

"If you are BMW, a car maker in Germany,... you probably are not that
comfortable putting your data into the U.S. any more," said the former
futures trader who is still a key player at Wikipedia, one of the most
popular websites in the world.

Cut!

It's really embarrassing," he said. "It's an enormous problem, an
enormous danger."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9A613A20131107

Johnny wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:12 AM, Paul wrote:
...winston wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 11/8/2013 2:23 AM, Ron wrote:
and Windows 8.1 is ready for download, but not for Windows 8? WTF is
going on with Micro$oft? Windows 8 support will end Nov. 2015. Which
is a
F'ing joke. I guess "support" doesn't included Browser updates?
Un****ingbelievable.

Only one "doesn't"...obviously. Seeing red right now since I just
bought this computer in March preloaded with Win 8.

Windows 8.1 is considered a Service Pack from a support
point of view. That's what the support ending so soon means.
What that means mostly, is Windows Update won't support
Windows 8.0 forever, and they want you to move to 8.1
(for free). This is similar to WinXP moving to SP1, SP2,
SP3, with support ending for each after a period of time.
You can only get Windows Update for WinXP SP3 at the moment.

*******

Paranoia section

Now, how Windows 8.1 differs, is in UI differences. Older
versions of Windows would not have considered changing UI
behavior. Windows 8.1 does that, as well as tries to corral
the user into leaving their data scattered on Skydrive,
tying user to Microsoft Account, and all sorts of unpleasant
things from a security viewpoint. So this is *not* a traditional
Service Pack from that point of view. They made this update
to Windows, to further their business interests. It's
not just an update rollup.

The link someone posted a few minutes ago, was
particularly frightening. The comment that the
Bitlocker key for your computer (few people use Bitlocker
so don't panic), could be stored on the Microsoft cloud
for you "for your convenience". That would have me running
for the hills, and slapping two layers of tinfoil hat
on my head. What idiot thought up *that* idea ? If you're
using Bitlocker, and have Windows 8.1, I'd be heading for
TrueCrypt immediately (even if we don't know how secure
TrueCrypt is). As your Bitlocker keys made their way
to Microsoft, now the NSA has a copy. Cute. Real Cute...

http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/...an-ms-account/




"For example, I recently had to refresh a Dell tablet running
Windows 8.1 RT. Unfortunately, I didn’t know that the machine
had Windows’ BitLocker encryption enabled. I also didn’t know
initially that Microsoft had automatically

saved the BitLocker key to SkyDrive. --- !!!

Simply signing in with my Microsoft account let me
safely refresh the system and keep all my files. I did not have
to disable BitLocker, as recommended in various blogs such as
Felipe Binotto’s post, “Refreshing a BitLocker enabled computer.”
"

Windows 8 is the "drop yer drawers" OS.

It seems they feel it's OK to steal your data and personal information,
at every turn. Leaving it to you to "follow after them with
a dust pan, and clean up".

Who knows what additional "features" are hiding
in Windows 8.1.

/Paranoia section

Paul

There's always some of that to go around.

Are you or have your ever used BitLocker ?

For educational purposes....

There are 4 options to save your Bitlocker key
1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
3. Save to your MSFT account
4. Print the recovery key

If #3 is chosen and one looks on their SkyDrive, the key won't be
found. The path (url) to obtain a key stored in your MSFT acccount
does use a SkyDrive url...but it's only accessible and stored in your
MSFT account.

To access the key stored with option #3 go to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=237614
which will resolve to the following in the browser address bar
https://skydrive.live.com/P.mvc#!/recoverykey

Maybe another layer of tin foil would have been in order for the last
15 months...saving it to one's MSFT account has been available since
Win8 was released.
-i.e. it's not a new feature in Win 8.1
(With MSFT updating their web sites by replacing 8 with 8.1, its
becoming more difficult to find 8.0 only info. Imo, this is planned to
ensure as many people using 8 upgrade to 8.1 in the next 2 yrs)

Before accessing the BL key in your MSFT Account, since its security
related, one is required to enter a security code if the device being
used to access the site has not been configured as Trusted.

The cloud storage concern will always be a topic of discussion on both
sides of the track. Looking at the 4 options to save the BL Key and
knowing how often folks delete/forget/lose options created by 1,2, and
4 then 3 for certain folk could very well be the most robust route of
storage.


There's no excuse for it. None.

It's a clear violation of good practice.

These options, make it the user's responsibility
to protect their key.

1. Save to a file
2. Save to a USB flash drive
4. Print the recovery key

This one does not. This is a mistake.

3. Save to your MSFT account

You don't store the keys to your car
in the middle of the street. You
store them where they'll be safe.
This is not safe. It's reckless.

Paul

NSA spying will be the end to cloud storage, unless companies like
Microsoft and Google deny access to the agency unless it has a court
order, and I don't mean a secret court order. They also need to block
any attempt by the agency to gain access illegally.



U.S. spying harms cloud computing, Internet freedom: Wikipedia founder


By Nerijus Adomaitis

OSLO Thu Nov 7, 2013 12:36pm EST

(Reuters) - The United States' alleged large-scale surveillance of
global communications networks will badly harm the U.S. cloud computing
industry, the founder of Wikipedia said on Thursday.

Jimmy Wales, who launched the online encyclopaedia service 12 year ago,
said the U.S. eavesdropping, revealed by leaks from former U.S.
intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, also poses a threat to Internet
freedoms by giving an excuse to oppressive regimes to introduce more
censorship.

"It's going to have a big impact on the cloud computing industry as
people are afraid to put data in the U.S., but it's also devastating for
the kind of work I do," Wales told reporters after speaking at an IT
event in Norway.

"If you are BMW, a car maker in Germany,... you probably are not that
comfortable putting your data into the U.S. any more," said the former
futures trader who is still a key player at Wikipedia, one of the most
popular websites in the world.

Cut!

It's really embarrassing," he said. "It's an enormous problem, an
enormous danger."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9A613A20131107

After reading that aritcle, my first thought was some good points...then
reality finally clicked in. The content isn't the real message. The real
message was 'Oh $#!t this could affect our bottom line.'
Lol...as far as BMW, they can't survive without putting data and selling
cars in the U.S. - i.e. if you are BMW you don't give a rat's patootie
about anything Jimmy Wales might write or claim.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps