Home LAN WiFi Cam

Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.

I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.

I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point
AP20000G WiFi unit.

Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked to
the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.

The app that comes with it finds all Cams and displays video and audio
and has limited access to change settings.

The problem is that in the app the three cams are totally accessible and
open a browser window to adjust settings. The other, although it is
video and audio visible (an some limited adjustments), has no means to
access all of it. Pretty stupid app.

Now please do not suggest going to the Cam tech support. I tried that
and they are dunderheads, like totally!

All I want to do is get full access to the Cam on the Access Point.

1) Is there an IP scanner that can get through the R20000G to the AP2000G?

2) What terminology would I look for in the R20000G admin setting
accessible through the browser to open up access to the hardwired AP20000G.

3) I have the MAC address of all WiFi cams. Is there a way to leverage
that to get access?

My laptop is hardwired to the R20000G.

"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.
I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.
I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point AP20000G WiFi unit.
Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked to the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.


Run the AP20000G unit Software
So you can Setup the WiFi
Access Point Lorex WiFi

We Need Make & Model
To help fire Software

Like:
Dual Core All-in-one Touch Screen MSI AP2000


The app that comes with it finds all Cams and displays video and audio and has limited access to change settings. The problem is
that in the app the three cams are totally accessible and open a browser window to adjust settings. The other, although it is
video and audio visible (an some limited adjustments), has no means to access all of it. Pretty stupid app.
Now please do not suggest going to the Cam tech support. I tried that and they are dunderheads, like totally!
All I want to do is get full access to the Cam on the Access Point.
1) Is there an IP scanner that can get through the R20000G to the AP2000G?
2) What terminology would I look for in the R20000G admin setting accessible through the browser to open up access to the
hardwired AP20000G.
3) I have the MAC address of all WiFi cams. Is there a way to leverage that to get access?
My laptop is hardwired to the R20000G.

Model # of what? Router Amped R20000G. Access Point Amped AP20000G.



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OldGuy wrote:
Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.

I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.

I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point
AP20000G WiFi unit.

Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked to
the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.

The app that comes with it finds all Cams and displays video and audio
and has limited access to change settings.

The problem is that in the app the three cams are totally accessible and
open a browser window to adjust settings. The other, although it is
video and audio visible (an some limited adjustments), has no means to
access all of it. Pretty stupid app.

Now please do not suggest going to the Cam tech support. I tried that
and they are dunderheads, like totally!

All I want to do is get full access to the Cam on the Access Point.

1) Is there an IP scanner that can get through the R20000G to the AP2000G?

2) What terminology would I look for in the R20000G admin setting
accessible through the browser to open up access to the hardwired AP20000G.

3) I have the MAC address of all WiFi cams. Is there a way to leverage
that to get access?

My laptop is hardwired to the R20000G.

This is purely a wild guess, but it sounds like
something in the Wifi setup (between your two
devices), is using Network Address Translation (NAT),
and you need port forwarding set up in it, to forward
port 80 access, towards the IP address that the separate
webcam is using.

But then the question would be, why is the data
transport layer working ? Why doesn't it suffer the
same fate as the port used for the web setup ?

Personally, when a person asks a question like this,
I like to see a networking diagram. Show some IP addresses,
so we can guess what problems are present.

192.168.2.1
User-- R20000G -----Ethernet---- AP2000G --- Webcam4
| | | (Wifi)
| | | (Wifi) IP=192.168.2.5
Webcam1,2,3
IP=192.168.1.5
IP=192.168.1.6
IP=192.168.1.7

Everything in there has an IP address. And since 192.168
is not route-able, if you're not careful, devices can be
cut off from one another. For example, I have
two subnets on my LAN setup, and I can't access the ADSL
modem right now. I have to disconnect the wiring, and
reconfigure, if I need to talk to the webserver on the
ADSL modem/router.

The documentation may state what ports need to be
forwarded or open, for the IP cams to be fully
functional. That would be in the IP cam manual.

There's no point looking in the manual for R20000G
or AP2000G, until the IP numbers are nailed down.
To better understand everything works, the way we
think it works.

HTH,
Paul

On 11/12/2013 5:29 PM, Paul wrote:
OldGuy wrote:
Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.

I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.

I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point
AP20000G WiFi unit.

Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked
to the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.

Whoa! I had no idea OldGuy. I hate using non-OE newsreaders because one
is the last to know.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Model # of what? Router Amped R20000G. Access Point Amped AP20000G.



the Cam Model #

If the cam is in the Lab
Then it not a WiFi

It happens that Paul formulated :
OldGuy wrote:
Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.

I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.

I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point
AP20000G WiFi unit.

Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked to
the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.

The app that comes with it finds all Cams and displays video and audio and
has limited access to change settings.

The problem is that in the app the three cams are totally accessible and
open a browser window to adjust settings. The other, although it is video
and audio visible (an some limited adjustments), has no means to access all
of it. Pretty stupid app.

Now please do not suggest going to the Cam tech support. I tried that and
they are dunderheads, like totally!

All I want to do is get full access to the Cam on the Access Point.

1) Is there an IP scanner that can get through the R20000G to the AP2000G?

2) What terminology would I look for in the R20000G admin setting
accessible through the browser to open up access to the hardwired AP20000G.

3) I have the MAC address of all WiFi cams. Is there a way to leverage
that to get access?

My laptop is hardwired to the R20000G.

This is purely a wild guess, but it sounds like
something in the Wifi setup (between your two
devices), is using Network Address Translation (NAT),
and you need port forwarding set up in it, to forward
port 80 access, towards the IP address that the separate
webcam is using.

But then the question would be, why is the data
transport layer working ? Why doesn't it suffer the
same fate as the port used for the web setup ?

Personally, when a person asks a question like this,
I like to see a networking diagram. Show some IP addresses,
so we can guess what problems are present.

192.168.2.1
User-- R20000G -----Ethernet---- AP2000G --- Webcam4
| | | (Wifi)
| | | (Wifi) IP=192.168.2.5
Webcam1,2,3
IP=192.168.1.5
IP=192.168.1.6
IP=192.168.1.7

Everything in there has an IP address. And since 192.168
is not route-able, if you're not careful, devices can be
cut off from one another. For example, I have
two subnets on my LAN setup, and I can't access the ADSL
modem right now. I have to disconnect the wiring, and
reconfigure, if I need to talk to the webserver on the
ADSL modem/router.

The documentation may state what ports need to be
forwarded or open, for the IP cams to be fully
functional. That would be in the IP cam manual.

There's no point looking in the manual for R20000G
or AP2000G, until the IP numbers are nailed down.
To better understand everything works, the way we
think it works.

HTH,
Paul

That is why in a previous post I was looking for a great LAN scanner so
I could ID the IP of that wandering IP camera WiFi-ed into the AP.

So far everything I tried does not see it.

I make the assumption that the Access Point may reuse an IP address
that the main router is using??? I am not sure how they handshake.

From the Lorex app I can access some (a small subset) of all that is
available in a browser window knowing the cam IP address (as I do for
the other three cams).

Is there a way to use the MAC address to find the IP address?
The MAC is printed on the cam.

I wonder if the Lorex software knows the MAC address.

To further complicate or enlighten, all web cams are visible remotely.
i.e. on the road through my cell phone using a Lorex Android app.

An option might be to try to WiFi my laptop into the AP and see what I
can see there but that defeats the single access point I need to have.
I may try that later if all else fails.



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"OldGuy" wrote in message
...
Model # of what? Router Amped R20000G. Access Point Amped AP20000G.



the Cam Model #

If the cam is in the Lab
Then it not a WiFi
LNC-104

Push a button on the router or AP then push a button on the Cam and it
syncs up.

There are no wires to the CAM! It syncs to the R20000G via WiFi.

I can also view all cams remotely on my Android phone.



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OldGuy wrote:
It happens that Paul formulated :
OldGuy wrote:
Please suggest some place to post this if no one here can help.

I have a Lorex WiFi cam app with four Cams.

I have an Amped R20000G router that is hardwired to an Access Point
AP20000G WiFi unit.

Three WiFi cams are WiFi linked to the R20000G and one is WiFi linked
to the AP20000G unit. This last one is the problem.

The app that comes with it finds all Cams and displays video and
audio and has limited access to change settings.

The problem is that in the app the three cams are totally accessible
and open a browser window to adjust settings. The other, although it
is video and audio visible (an some limited adjustments), has no
means to access all of it. Pretty stupid app.

Now please do not suggest going to the Cam tech support. I tried
that and they are dunderheads, like totally!

All I want to do is get full access to the Cam on the Access Point.

1) Is there an IP scanner that can get through the R20000G to the
AP2000G?

2) What terminology would I look for in the R20000G admin setting
accessible through the browser to open up access to the hardwired
AP20000G.

3) I have the MAC address of all WiFi cams. Is there a way to
leverage that to get access?

My laptop is hardwired to the R20000G.

This is purely a wild guess, but it sounds like
something in the Wifi setup (between your two
devices), is using Network Address Translation (NAT),
and you need port forwarding set up in it, to forward
port 80 access, towards the IP address that the separate
webcam is using.

But then the question would be, why is the data
transport layer working ? Why doesn't it suffer the
same fate as the port used for the web setup ?

Personally, when a person asks a question like this,
I like to see a networking diagram. Show some IP addresses,
so we can guess what problems are present.

192.168.2.1
User-- R20000G -----Ethernet---- AP2000G --- Webcam4
| | | (Wifi)
| | | (Wifi) IP=192.168.2.5
Webcam1,2,3
IP=192.168.1.5
IP=192.168.1.6
IP=192.168.1.7

Everything in there has an IP address. And since 192.168
is not route-able, if you're not careful, devices can be
cut off from one another. For example, I have
two subnets on my LAN setup, and I can't access the ADSL
modem right now. I have to disconnect the wiring, and
reconfigure, if I need to talk to the webserver on the
ADSL modem/router.

The documentation may state what ports need to be
forwarded or open, for the IP cams to be fully
functional. That would be in the IP cam manual.

There's no point looking in the manual for R20000G
or AP2000G, until the IP numbers are nailed down.
To better understand everything works, the way we
think it works.

HTH,
Paul

That is why in a previous post I was looking for a great LAN scanner so
I could ID the IP of that wandering IP camera WiFi-ed into the AP.

So far everything I tried does not see it.

I make the assumption that the Access Point may reuse an IP address that
the main router is using??? I am not sure how they handshake.

From the Lorex app I can access some (a small subset) of all that is
available in a browser window knowing the cam IP address (as I do for
the other three cams).

Is there a way to use the MAC address to find the IP address?
The MAC is printed on the cam.

I wonder if the Lorex software knows the MAC address.

To further complicate or enlighten, all web cams are visible remotely.
i.e. on the road through my cell phone using a Lorex Android app.

An option might be to try to WiFi my laptop into the AP and see what I
can see there but that defeats the single access point I need to have.
I may try that later if all else fails.


Your last idea sounds like a good one.

*******

I like to have a mental image of my network here. And
that means noting down which subnet everything is supposed
to be on.

I did use an application once, which automatically pings
every IP address from a range of addresses. I had a dead
router, and I was trying to figure out if the gateway
address had moved or something. I got no response from it.

It may be easier, to use the web interface on your AP,
and examine the DHCP table of "things that are logged in".
If the LNC104 uses DHCP, it may be noted in the table.
If the LNC104 is set up statically, then you might
need another approach.

I think the application I used for scanning was "fping".
I used that a number of years ago. But there are
many other examples of range scanning applications. Make
sure to scan unroutable ranges, like 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.255.255
kind of range. That is termed 192.168.x.x. There is
also the 10.x.x.x range. Both of those are not route-able.
Your AP should be sitting on its own subnet, and relying
on the main router for access to the Internet (and the
WAN address on that router, is a route-able address).

http://superuser.com/questions/45687...aneously/45691

Examples of ranges to scan, are here. But don't
scan all the ranges, if you already have an idea where
it is :-) The DHCP on your setup, should only
be serving up private addresses, not public ones.
Only the DHCP on your ISP's equipment, serves
up public ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network

Paul

Paul wrote:
OldGuy wrote:


An option might be to try to WiFi my laptop into the AP and see what I
can see there but that defeats the single access point I need to have.
I may try that later if all else fails.


I found a manual here for the LNC104. It has a multitude of
setup options. It can use DHCP, and then on your home
networking equipment, you can trim down the range of
addresses it can use. For example, my router only has
maybe a dozen addresses available in DHCP (I set it that
way). And I could trim it tighter than that, if I had to.
The end result, is a relatively small range of addresses
to ping. When you assign a range of IP addresses in the router,
it restrict the various machines on the subnet, to use
say 192.168.1.33 to 192.168.1.44.

http://www.lorextechnology.com/downl..._EN_R3_web.pdf

My router also has a table, listing currently connected
machines and their DHCP lease info.

Paul

"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Hot-Text has brought this to us :
"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Model # of what? Router Amped R20000G. Access Point Amped AP20000G.
the Cam Model #

If the cam is in the Lab
Then it not a WiFi
LNC-104

This is the Make Name
LNC104 LIVE PING

updata
http://www.lorextechnology.com/suppo...ameras/4900130
user manual
http://www.lorextechnology.com/suppo...25#recordtoHDD

Push a button on the router or AP then push a button on the Cam and it syncs up.
There are no wires to the CAM! It syncs to the R20000G via WiFi.


Lorex Search results for: We're sorry,
we couldn't find any products
matching your search for "R20000G".

Is this Cam Model #
R20000G
Now we need the Makes Name
Is it a Microsoft or Lorex
Who Is it?


I can also view all cams remotely on my Android phone.


And that will be true



If have a Cam that can
not be view in Lorex
software on a Computer

It can only be view in
its on Cam software

That why we need
to know who is
R20000G

Paul used his keyboard to write :
Paul wrote:
OldGuy wrote:


An option might be to try to WiFi my laptop into the AP and see what I can
see there but that defeats the single access point I need to have.
I may try that later if all else fails.


I found a manual here for the LNC104. It has a multitude of
setup options. It can use DHCP, and then on your home
networking equipment, you can trim down the range of
addresses it can use. For example, my router only has
maybe a dozen addresses available in DHCP (I set it that
way). And I could trim it tighter than that, if I had to.
The end result, is a relatively small range of addresses
to ping. When you assign a range of IP addresses in the router,
it restrict the various machines on the subnet, to use
say 192.168.1.33 to 192.168.1.44.

http://www.lorextechnology.com/downl..._EN_R3_web.pdf

My router also has a table, listing currently connected
machines and their DHCP lease info.

Paul

All of that i beyond me.
I wish I could find a tutorial on all that router stuff.
Got any good links?



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Hot-Text wrote :
"OldGuy" wrote in message
...
Hot-Text has brought this to us :
"OldGuy" wrote in message
...
Model # of what? Router Amped R20000G. Access Point Amped AP20000G.
the Cam Model #

If the cam is in the Lab
Then it not a WiFi
LNC-104

This is the Make Name
LNC104 LIVE PING

updata

http://www.lorextechnology.com/suppo...ameras/4900130

user manual
http://www.lorextechnology.com/suppo...25#recordtoHDD

Push a button on the router or AP then push a button on the Cam and it
syncs up.
There are no wires to the CAM! It syncs to the R20000G via WiFi.


Lorex Search results for: We're sorry,
we couldn't find any products
matching your search for "R20000G".

Is this Cam Model #
R20000G
Now we need the Makes Name
Is it a Microsoft or Lorex
Who Is it?


I can also view all cams remotely on my Android phone.


And that will be true



If have a Cam that can
not be view in Lorex
software on a Computer

It can only be view in
its on Cam software

That why we need
to know who is
R20000G

Amped

This may be a Dup reply since my other PC seems stuck sending.



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"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Hot-Text wrote :
If have a Cam that can
not be view in Lorex
software on a Computer
It can only be view in
its on Cam software
That why we need
to know who is
R20000G
This may be a Dup reply since my other PC seems stuck sending.


I do know understand that
for I have 5 XP computer and
all of them all have a mind on


Amped

OK Amped Wireless R20000G
Is a wireless Band Router
http://www.ampedwireless.com/docs/se...de_English.pdf

Mm not the same setup as
My AT&T wireless Band Router

You need Setup Pinhole @
http://192.168.1.240
for your Home Network Devices

Home Network - Find a computer,
share a file
For your Cam is a Little Computer

In Amped setup guide I see no
info for a Pinhole setup

Call:
Amped Help: 888-573-8820
Support asked questions:

Setup a Pinhole in Amped Wireless R20000G
For a wireless IP Cam


My AT&T Settings
www.hot-text.ath.cx/TEPT/ATT-Wireless-4cam.gif

Status Applications, Pinholes and DMZ Advanced Configuration
Allow device application traffic to pass through firewall

By default, the firewall blocks all unwanted access from the Internet.
You can allow access from the Internet to applications running on computers
inside your secure home network by enabling firewall pinholes.

Opening firewall pinholes is also known as opening firewall ports
or firewall port forwarding.
To do this, associate the desired application with the computer below.
If you cannot find a listing for your application,
you can create a user-defined application with the protocol and port information.

To allow Internet traffic or users through the Firewall to your LAN devices,
applications and servers
1) Select a computer
2) Enter IP address

Choose the computer that will host applications through the firewall

"OldGuy" wrote in message ...
Paul used his keyboard to write :
Paul wrote:
OldGuy wrote:
An option might be to try to WiFi my laptop into the AP and see what I can see there but that defeats the single access point I
need to have.
I may try that later if all else fails.
I found a manual here for the LNC104. It has a multitude of
setup options. It can use DHCP, and then on your home
networking equipment, you can trim down the range of
addresses it can use. For example, my router only has
maybe a dozen addresses available in DHCP (I set it that
way). And I could trim it tighter than that, if I had to.
The end result, is a relatively small range of addresses
to ping. When you assign a range of IP addresses in the router,
it restrict the various machines on the subnet, to use
say 192.168.1.33 to 192.168.1.44.
http://www.lorextechnology.com/downl..._EN_R3_web.pdf
My router also has a table, listing currently connected
machines and their DHCP lease info.
Paul

All of that i beyond me.
I wish I could find a tutorial on all that router stuff.
Got any good links?



Now you know you have to
Make a Pinhole
In the Amped
For the Lorex

So you can view
the cams
At the Office