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Old November 22nd 13, 10:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_5_]
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?

Albert
(make it S instead of Z to email me

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  #2  
Old November 22nd 13, 11:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Albert wrote:
Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?

Albert
(make it S instead of Z to email me


Task Manager is normally provided on the more modern Windows OSes,
for viewing what tasks are running, changing their priority or affinity.
Figuring out what is using all your CPU, and so on.

Some options.

1) Right-click task bar at bottom of screen, and look for "Task Manager".
2) Use control-alt-delete to start Task Manager.
3) Use control-shift-escape to start Task Manager.
http://lifehacker.com/5813484/go-dir...-your-keyboard

Another tool of some value, is resmon.exe . That was in Windows 7.
See if there is a copy on Windows 8.

In addition to those, you can use Sysinternals Process Explorer.
It has some of the same viewing functions, with a lot more
detail in some instances.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896653

Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer. For me, this is
a killer reason to not use Windows 8 as an everyday OS.
You may not run into an event like this in your normal usage,
but for me, knowing there is an issue, bugs the hell out of me.
The thing is, that aspect was in relatively good shape on
Win2K and WinXP. There's no excuse for "moving backwards"
in terms of architecture, and making Task Manager into an
ordinary application. It should have remained "special".

Paul
  #3  
Old November 22nd 13, 11:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Neil Gould wrote:
Paul wrote:
(snip)
Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer.

What does one have to do to replicate this experience? I've only tapped into
task manager a couple of times in Win8.1, and didn't have a problem, but I
may have just not come up with the right combination of actions to get it to
misbehave.


I used the NeatVideo plugin, to run the system out of
Pool Memory. It took 20 hours to get there. Suddenly,
Task Manager was using 35% of CPU cycles (presumably,
as it probed Pool Memory and juggled something). I
could not operate *any* controls on Task Manager. The
machine was effectively frozen and useless. Task Manager
was sitting there on the screen, and I couldn't do anything.
I wanted to kill NeatVideo, like I could when I did an identical
experiment on WinXP. So with WinXP, I could still recover
from the incident, without having to use the power button.
Sad.

If you look carefully at Windows 8, you'll notice it
"holds some cycles in reserve". As near as I can determine,
those cycles help Task Manager remain usable, amongst other
things. Since the new Task Manager has no privileged position
on the system, the instant something does manage to really
peg the CPU, you're screwed. Unlike WinXP, where Task Manager is
quite different from the other applications. I don't
know the technical details of WinXP Task Manager, like
whether it runs in Ring Zero, has static resources allocated
to it, or what other tricks it might use. All I can say
as a user, is more often, I can "escape" using the
WinXP Task Manager.

The only thing I have here that will "lock" WinXP, is
when playing a 3D game, and the video driver dies in a
weird way. Then you get looping sound, and the
keyboard stops working. I acknowledge that's an issue
with WinXP. But to have a non-game lock up my Win8
OS is just pathetic. That one event, got Win8 demoted.

If Microsoft can fix that, I'll consider plugging in
the Windows 8 hard drive again.

Paul
  #4  
Old November 23rd 13, 12:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Albert[_5_]
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:14:47 -0700, Albert
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?


I found the free Microsoft version and installed it but I'm going to
have to play with it to find out exactly what it does. But thanks
everyone for your help.

Albert
(make it S instead of Z to email me

  #5  
Old November 23rd 13, 12:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Neil Gould[_2_]
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Paul wrote:
(snip)

Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer.

What does one have to do to replicate this experience? I've only tapped into
task manager a couple of times in Win8.1, and didn't have a problem, but I
may have just not come up with the right combination of actions to get it to
misbehave.
--
best regards,

Neil



  #6  
Old November 23rd 13, 01:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:14:19 -0500, Paul wrote:

Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer. For me, this is
a killer reason to not use Windows 8 as an everyday OS.
You may not run into an event like this in your normal usage,
but for me, knowing there is an issue, bugs the hell out of me.
The thing is, that aspect was in relatively good shape on
Win2K and WinXP. There's no excuse for "moving backwards"
in terms of architecture, and making Task Manager into an
ordinary application. It should have remained "special".


I don't doubt what you're saying regarding Task Manager, but I haven't seen
that particular bit of nasty myself. Is there a way for me to duplicate it?

  #7  
Old November 23rd 13, 01:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:20:47 -0700, Albert wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:14:47 -0700, Albert
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?


I found the free Microsoft version and installed it but I'm going to
have to play with it to find out exactly what it does. But thanks
everyone for your help.


I wonder what you installed, since Task Manager was already installed. Can
you provide a download link for what you assumed was Task Manager?

  #8  
Old November 23rd 13, 02:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:32:51 -0500, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

Paul wrote:
(snip)

Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer.

What does one have to do to replicate this experience? I've only tapped into
task manager a couple of times in Win8.1, and didn't have a problem, but I
may have just not come up with the right combination of actions to get it to
misbehave.


Oops, I just asked the same question and saw Paul's response. I don't think
too many of us are going to be duplicating the issue in exactly the same way
that Paul did, but there could be other series of events which lead to the
same result. Something to keep an eye on, I suppose.

  #9  
Old November 23rd 13, 02:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:59:37 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:20:47 -0700, Albert wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:14:47 -0700, Albert
wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?


I found the free Microsoft version and installed it but I'm going to
have to play with it to find out exactly what it does. But thanks
everyone for your help.


I wonder what you installed, since Task Manager was already installed. Can
you provide a download link for what you assumed was Task Manager?


I think the same, but I didn't want to post without verifying that my W8
computer already has Task Manager - although I *think* I have used it
there in the last tow or three days :-)

--
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  #10  
Old November 23rd 13, 02:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:35:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the last tow or three days


I guess I should have written "the last tow or theer days" :-)

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  #11  
Old November 23rd 13, 03:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On 2013-11-23, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:32:51 -0500, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

Paul wrote:
(snip)

Note that, in Windows 8, Task Manager is poorly implemented.
You can actually lose control of the computer, and be unable
to manipulate the interface on Task Manager to do anything
to regain control of the computer.

What does one have to do to replicate this experience? I've only tapped into
task manager a couple of times in Win8.1, and didn't have a problem, but I
may have just not come up with the right combination of actions to get it to
misbehave.


Oops, I just asked the same question and saw Paul's response. I don't think
too many of us are going to be duplicating the issue in exactly the same way
that Paul did, but there could be other series of events which lead to the
same result. Something to keep an eye on, I suppose.


Actually, I had a couple of nearly the same experience. On some web
sites, lots of popups occur & sometimes along with additional pages
where one cannot get out or shutdown the page as it is "in a loop"
when one clicks on the "x". Tried task manager to kill some processes
or kill the browser and/or page along with the pages that are hidden
behind the main browser page.

Now, I'm more into using the quickjs to disable javascript at some
point to be able to kill the offending page & have started to use
adblocker so which also help in not getting crap go thru a loop of
not allowing page killing; tho still need to kill firefox to get out
usually.
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Old November 23rd 13, 03:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On 11/22/2013 8:38 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:35:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the last tow or three days


I guess I should have written "the last tow or theer days" :-)

I am confused by the discussion of the lack of a task manager in Windows
8.1. While different and it has more information you will find a task
manager by right clicking on the toolbar in the Desktop. This procedure
is quite similar to finding the task manager in Windows XP.

You can also find the task manager by looking in the apps in the icon
menu. You know the one that MS put into Windows 8.1 to add
advertisements to your computer ;-)


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Old November 23rd 13, 04:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:38:18 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:35:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

the last tow or three days


I guess I should have written "the last tow or theer days" :-)


Style points for consistency. :-)

Yes, W8 has Task Manager, accessible in the usual places.

  #14  
Old November 23rd 13, 04:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Albert wrote:
Hi all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
go to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?

Albert
(make it S instead of Z to email me


Windows 8 Task Manager.
You can use this one for monitoring or killing programs.

http://everythingsurface.org/wp-cont...sk-manager.jpg

Windows 8 Task Scheduler.
This is for when you want that backup to run at 3AM.
That sort of thing. In Linux/Unix, the equivalent
would be a "cron job". In Windows, this is usually
a pain to set up, because of the need to use
a particular username and password. For a new
user, typically they have to try over and over
again, to get their first one working right.

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...-scheduler.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron

I mention those two different things, just to make sure
we're talking about the same thing.

*******

One with some similarity to Task Manager, is Resource Monitor.

You can try "resmon" as the program name, or this article
recommends you can also try "perfmon /res".

http://trevorsullivan.net/2012/10/15...ource-monitor/

This is a picture of Resource Monitor. It gives slightly different
information views, than Task Manager does. You can watch how
fast a disk drive is going here. Or a network transfer. As well
as other things.

http://trevorsullivan.net/wp-content...e-Monitor1.png

Paul
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Old November 23rd 13, 05:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R. C. White
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Default Task Manager for windows 8.1?

Hi, Albert.

Like Char Jackson, "I wonder what you installed, since Task Manager was
already installed. Can
you provide a download link for what you assumed was Task Manager?"

Task Manager has been an integral part of every version of Windows since at
least WinXP. It does not need to be installed, since it is just there.

There are several ways to start Task Manager, as Paul listed in his first
Reply, before he went off into a side track.
1) Right-click task bar at bottom of screen, and look for "Task Manager".
2) Use control-alt-delete to start Task Manager.
3) Use control-shift-escape to start Task Manager.


In Win8.1, you can also press the Windows key and type "task manager" - or
just "task" and it will be the first item on the list found by Search. The
Win8.1 version of Task Manager does not look like the earlier ones, but it
is still there and still does the job.

No need to install Task Manager, much less buy or download it. It is
already in Windows.

RC
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San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


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On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:14:47 -0700, Albert
wrote:

i all,

I'm trying to get Task Manager for Windows 8.1 and I'm not having any
luck at it. I was assuming that it came bundled but I can't find it
anywhere. One time I found a download at Microsoft but I had to have
had a Microsoft account which I do the only problem is when I try to
to my Microsoft account by password won't work. I've never had task
manager before. Would it be helpful?


I found the free Microsoft version and installed it but I'm going to
have to play with it to find out exactly what it does. But thanks
everyone for your help.

Albert

 




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