CCleaner Professional

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:08:05 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:34:38 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:20:29 -0700, Ken1943
wrote:

The main reason for Ccleaner is to remove "junk" files. For one thing,
having thousands of files in the "temp" directories using gigs of drive
space is crazy.

I'm not sure why that's crazy. With hard drive sizes these days, what's
crazy about 'wasting' a few gigs like that?


My way job is tech support, and about once a month I get a customer
whose sole problem is thousands of files in the temp folder confusing
Excel. I can't imagine why Excel has that vulnerability, but the
evidence is fairly conclusive:

1. An Excel add-in does not work.
2. Delete everything in temp folder (skipping the ones flagged by
Windows as in use.
3/ The Excel add-in now works fine.

For me, tech support is my second job, and I can't remember a single time
where I was motivated to clean out any temp folders, although there may be
examples from the dimly lit past of the Win9x days.

In your experience, is it always the same Excel add-in that stops working?
If so, is it something that's in widespread use among Excel users, or is it
likely to be limited to the organization that you support?

--

Char Jackson

On 12/20/2014 11:17 AM, Godzilla wrote:
On 2014-12-20, Al Drake wrote:
On 12/20/2014 8:28 AM, Godzilla wrote:
On 2014-12-17, Al Drake wrote:
A while back when I build my newest system based on the Intel Core
i7-4790K installed in a Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD5H with 32Gigs of Crucial
Ballistix Tactical Low Profile 32GB Kit I was in a rush and didn't want
to go through all the hassle of installing Win7 and all the apps so
nicely tuned on an AMD 6 core in an ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 so I used that
drive to see if it booted with the Intel Build. Well it did and
everything worked out fine. I thought I'd do it right after awhile but
it turned out that I never did and no longer need the AMD. I knew I had
a cluttered windows system so recently I happened to purchase CCleaner
Professional which seemed to remove all the DLLs hanging around although
I saw no actual improvement but it did make me feel better.

CCleaner Pro seems to e a nice little app and I don't know why I
didn't use it sooner.

Just thought I'd throw that in just for fun.
Al

Crap Cleaner Professional.
LMAO.
The **** people "need".


You mean like obnoxious sigs?

Kind of.
Buying CCPro versus using the free version is like paying
someone to blow your nose.

How much do you charge?

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:59:54 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/20/2014 1:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:08:13 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/19/2014 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:15:20 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I had read many good things about CCleaner so I decided to add it to
one system to see how it behaved. Me being me I paid for the "better"
version and got some extra help I thought was nice. Referring back to
the condition of the second hand install with who knows what left over.
SO far nothing but I do like the report of what it removes when I leave
the internet. Together with Malewarebytes and Kaspershy Pure I feel
better than running naked.

Translations for the uninitiated:

Malewarebytes: Malwarebytes
Website: https://www.malwarebytes.org/
Notes: Maleware appears to refer to a form of men's clothing


Kaspershy Pu Kaspersky Pure
Website:
http://usa.kaspersky.com/products-services/home-computer-security/pure/
Notes: For people who like to pay when equivalents are free

For example?

I was hoping you'd ask about maleware, clothing for men.

I was.

Oh, good, because this is the more humorous of the two pieces of this
thread. 'Male' refers to gender, while 'ware' might refer to something that
is for sale, so 'maleware' might refer to a product typically purchased by
or used by males. While it's arguably impolite to call out spelling
mistakes, in your case you've used the term 'maleware' repeatedly, so I
decided to have a bit of fun with it. What you're obviously looking for is
'malware', where 'mal' means bad and 'ware' means software, in this context.
Putting the two parts together gives you malware, a broad category of bad
software that includes viruses, trojans, rootkits, etc.

Have you ever tried Kaspersky?

Not lately, and I see no need to do so when free alternatives are as good or
better.

That's what I wanted to know. What free app has everything Kaspersky
has?

When you say "everything", what do you mean? That word conjures up mental
images of 'Internet Security Suites', which are about 92% unnecessary crap
bolted on to an anti-malware engine.

I just did some searching and read reviews and there are many mixed
opinions so I guess the only real way to know is to test for yourself
again other apps on different systems.

That's probably the best way, I agree.

I always believe you get what you pay for so who can complain about
something free. That may be the reason I always opt for the paid
version. After all, you can't take it with you.

Fortunately for me, I never fell for the "you get what you pay for" trap.
Sometimes it's true, other times it's not, and it really pays to be aware
and know the difference.

--

Char Jackson

On 12/20/2014 12:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:59:54 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/20/2014 1:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:08:13 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/19/2014 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:15:20 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I had read many good things about CCleaner so I decided to add it to
one system to see how it behaved. Me being me I paid for the "better"
version and got some extra help I thought was nice. Referring back to
the condition of the second hand install with who knows what left over.
SO far nothing but I do like the report of what it removes when I leave
the internet. Together with Malewarebytes and Kaspershy Pure I feel
better than running naked.

Translations for the uninitiated:

Malewarebytes: Malwarebytes
Website: https://www.malwarebytes.org/
Notes: Maleware appears to refer to a form of men's clothing


Kaspershy Pu Kaspersky Pure
Website:
http://usa.kaspersky.com/products-services/home-computer-security/pure/
Notes: For people who like to pay when equivalents are free

For example?

I was hoping you'd ask about maleware, clothing for men.

I was.

Oh, good, because this is the more humorous of the two pieces of this
thread. 'Male' refers to gender, while 'ware' might refer to something that
is for sale, so 'maleware' might refer to a product typically purchased by
or used by males. While it's arguably impolite to call out spelling
mistakes, in your case you've used the term 'maleware' repeatedly, so I
decided to have a bit of fun with it. What you're obviously looking for is
'malware', where 'mal' means bad and 'ware' means software, in this context.
Putting the two parts together gives you malware, a broad category of bad
software that includes viruses, trojans, rootkits, etc.


But you don't know for sure.

Have you ever tried Kaspersky?

Not lately, and I see no need to do so when free alternatives are as good or
better.

That's what I wanted to know. What free app has everything Kaspersky
has?

When you say "everything", what do you mean? That word conjures up mental
images of 'Internet Security Suites', which are about 92% unnecessary crap
bolted on to an anti-malware engine.

Why everything I need. This is all about me now, isn't it?





I just did some searching and read reviews and there are many mixed
opinions so I guess the only real way to know is to test for yourself
again other apps on different systems.

That's probably the best way, I agree.

I always believe you get what you pay for so who can complain about
something free. That may be the reason I always opt for the paid
version. After all, you can't take it with you.

Fortunately for me, I never fell for the "you get what you pay for" trap.
Sometimes it's true, other times it's not, and it really pays to be aware
and know the difference.


One can never tell the difference sometimes until it's too late.

On 12/20/2014 12:40 PM, jetjock wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 01:01:03 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:15:38 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:26:10 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I saw no actual improvement but it did make me feel better.

Feeling better is always nice, but imagine how you'd have felt if the
computer failed to boot or applications were broken as a result of your
cleaning. The risks aren't worth it, if you ask me.

Why, would that happen?

I was under the impression that you had 'cleaned' your registry. If so,
*that's* why that would happen.

As I stated I have the install on one system
that has a clone waiting for emergencies. Have you had such a failure
that you can give account of?

Do you mean a failure from a registry cleaner? Not lately, but there was an
incident many years ago with a program called, (I think), jvtools. After

You may be thinking of "Norton's- PC Tools". It was a very useful
program(s) before Peter sold out to Symantec who totally destroyed
it.. I used it for years and never had any problems with it... and I
was a total computer novice at the time!


Ya, that's it. It's all coming back to me now.


using it on my registry, the PC refused to boot. I had a fairly lengthy
repair in front of me, as I recall. I've gotten smarter since then.

I like taking chances if the cost is low.

The cost may be low, but so is the benefit, while the risk is relatively
high.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:57:35 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I will say that many of the advertised apps for sale usually start out
with a "Free Scan" and show how bad your system is

If that isn't the most obvious sign that a program is snake oil, then I
don't know what is. It floors me that otherwise intelligent people fall for
that as often as they do.

"You don't know me, but let me take a look and see if I can find anything
that I can help you with."

What are the odds that such a scan would end with a clean bill of health?
Zero, you say? You're exactly right. And yet, people willingly go forward.
Some smart people have figured out that people, at some basic level, are
simply stupid (blind) when it comes to certain things, even though they may
be very intelligent in other areas. Historically, people have probably been
taking advantage of other people since the dawn of time.

"Hey! Look over there!"
Caveman looks over there while I steal his food, furs, woman, etc.


then try to sell you
the fix. Now that I remember that's one of the reasons I dumped AVG
free.

I don't think that scenario applies to AVG. If it does, they've taken a hard
left turn since I last looked.


--

Char Jackson

On 12/20/2014 12:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:57:35 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I will say that many of the advertised apps for sale usually start out
with a "Free Scan" and show how bad your system is

If that isn't the most obvious sign that a program is snake oil, then I
don't know what is. It floors me that otherwise intelligent people fall for
that as often as they do.

"You don't know me, but let me take a look and see if I can find anything
that I can help you with."

What are the odds that such a scan would end with a clean bill of health?
Zero, you say? You're exactly right. And yet, people willingly go forward.
Some smart people have figured out that people, at some basic level, are
simply stupid (blind) when it comes to certain things, even though they may
be very intelligent in other areas. Historically, people have probably been
taking advantage of other people since the dawn of time.

"Hey! Look over there!"
Caveman looks over there while I steal his food, furs, woman, etc.


then try to sell you
the fix. Now that I remember that's one of the reasons I dumped AVG
free.

I don't think that scenario applies to AVG. If it does, they've taken a hard
left turn since I last looked.


I'm pretty sure the last time I had AVG installed it had deteriorated
to that level. At least you are offered to purchase the reg scan app.
Either way I'm satisfied with what I have although I haven't tried a
cave woman in quite awhile.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:40:03 -0600, jetjock wrote:

Do you mean a failure from a registry cleaner? Not lately, but
there was an incident many years ago with a program called, (I
think), jvtools.

You may be thinking of "Norton's- PC Tools".

Or jv16 power tools.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:23:05 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:08:05 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:34:38 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:20:29 -0700, Ken1943
wrote:

The main reason for Ccleaner is to remove "junk" files. For one thing,
having thousands of files in the "temp" directories using gigs of drive
space is crazy.

I'm not sure why that's crazy. With hard drive sizes these days, what's
crazy about 'wasting' a few gigs like that?


My way job is tech support, and about once a month I get a customer
whose sole problem is thousands of files in the temp folder confusing
Excel. I can't imagine why Excel has that vulnerability, but the
evidence is fairly conclusive:

1. An Excel add-in does not work.
2. Delete everything in temp folder (skipping the ones flagged by
Windows as in use.
3/ The Excel add-in now works fine.

For me, tech support is my second job, and I can't remember a single time
where I was motivated to clean out any temp folders, although there may be
examples from the dimly lit past of the Win9x days.

In your experience, is it always the same Excel add-in that stops working?
If so, is it something that's in widespread use among Excel users, or is it
likely to be limited to the organization that you support?

I work for a software company, so I support our tens of thousands of
customers (hundreds of thousands of users, probably). I won't name
the company or the products, so as to avoid any possible question of
advertising.

So the people I talk to are the ones who are using our add-ins, one
in particular. This one, the largest, probably exercises chunks of
Excel code that are not usually exercised. But going back for the
nearly-a-decade I've worked there, a bloated temp folder has caused
problems: "Object variable or with block variable not set", "Method ~
of object ~ failed", or an outright crash with "Microsoft Excel has
stopped working". (The most recent customer with that problem had
thousands of files aggregating over 6 GB, and it took Windows an hour
to delete them!) Would it be a problem for someone using generic
Excel? I don't know.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:21:44 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

On 2014-12-18 5:17 PM, felmon wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:45:40 -0600, philo wrote:


Dainty ears being troubled by the term "crap" would certainly enjoy
the "Cinderella" fairy tale's original name.


"Cinder-slut" would not have been a big Disney hit.

there seem to be diverse theories but to me the most plausible I've
found so far derives 'puttel' (German for 'Cinderella' is Aschenputtel)
from a old word, 'putteln', which means digging around in sand, or in
this case, ashes.

That would make it a relative of "putter around",both derived from the
root of "put", I think..

not being a linguist I don't know but I definitely share your impression.

F.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:15:51 +0000, mechanic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:40:03 -0600, jetjock wrote:

Do you mean a failure from a registry cleaner? Not lately, but
there was an incident many years ago with a program called, (I
think), jvtools.

You may be thinking of "Norton's- PC Tools".

Or jv16 power tools.

There you go. That one.

Way previous to that, I used Norton PC Tools (or was it Norton Utilities?)
and never had any issues with them. They were state of the art at the time,
but that was before being sold off. The Norton name used to mean something;
now it's a joke.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:44:16 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/20/2014 12:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:59:54 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/20/2014 1:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:08:13 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

On 12/19/2014 3:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

Translations for the uninitiated:

Malewarebytes: Malwarebytes
Website: https://www.malwarebytes.org/
Notes: Maleware appears to refer to a form of men's clothing


Kaspershy Pu Kaspersky Pure
Website:
http://usa.kaspersky.com/products-services/home-computer-security/pure/
Notes: For people who like to pay when equivalents are free

For example?

I was hoping you'd ask about maleware, clothing for men.

I was.

Oh, good, because this is the more humorous of the two pieces of this
thread. 'Male' refers to gender, while 'ware' might refer to something that
is for sale, so 'maleware' might refer to a product typically purchased by
or used by males. While it's arguably impolite to call out spelling
mistakes, in your case you've used the term 'maleware' repeatedly, so I
decided to have a bit of fun with it. What you're obviously looking for is
'malware', where 'mal' means bad and 'ware' means software, in this context.
Putting the two parts together gives you malware, a broad category of bad
software that includes viruses, trojans, rootkits, etc.


But you don't know for sure.

Oh no, I do know for sure. You're definitely talking about malware while
repeatedly calling it maleware. Never mind, maybe it's only humorous to me.

That's what I wanted to know. What free app has everything Kaspersky
has?

When you say "everything", what do you mean? That word conjures up mental
images of 'Internet Security Suites', which are about 92% unnecessary crap
bolted on to an anti-malware engine.

Why everything I need. This is all about me now, isn't it?

Everything I need isn't a valid requirement. Try again.

I always believe you get what you pay for so who can complain about
something free. That may be the reason I always opt for the paid
version. After all, you can't take it with you.

Fortunately for me, I never fell for the "you get what you pay for" trap.
Sometimes it's true, other times it's not, and it really pays to be aware
and know the difference.


One can never tell the difference sometimes until it's too late.

Which is it, never or sometimes? You can't have both.


--

Char Jackson

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 01:40:10 -0600, felmon wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:21:44 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

On 2014-12-18 5:17 PM, felmon wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:45:40 -0600, philo wrote:


Dainty ears being troubled by the term "crap" would certainly enjoy
the "Cinderella" fairy tale's original name.


"Cinder-slut" would not have been a big Disney hit.

there seem to be diverse theories but to me the most plausible I've
found so far derives 'puttel' (German for 'Cinderella' is Aschenputtel)
from a old word, 'putteln', which means digging around in sand, or in
this case, ashes.

That would make it a relative of "putter around",both derived from the
root of "put", I think..

not being a linguist I don't know but I definitely share your impression.

F.

My dictionary (American Heritage) says putter is probably an alteration
of "potter", frequentative of "poten" (to poke or push), from Old
English "potian".

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:03:39 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:15:20 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I had read many good things about CCleaner so I decided to add it to
one system to see how it behaved. Me being me I paid for the "better"
version and got some extra help I thought was nice. Referring back to
the condition of the second hand install with who knows what left over.
SO far nothing but I do like the report of what it removes when I leave
the internet. Together with Malewarebytes and Kaspershy Pure I feel
better than running naked.

Translations for the uninitiated:

Malewarebytes: Malwarebytes
Website: https://www.malwarebytes.org/
Notes: Maleware appears to refer to a form of men's clothing

Kaspershy Pu Kaspersky Pure
Website:
http://usa.kaspersky.com/products-services/home-computer-security/pure/
Notes: For people who like to pay when equivalents are free

I'd also like to mention that a number of radio news announcers talk
about "mallware", which strikes me as clothing to go shopping in :-)

Yeah, I know, I should have (1) spelled it "mallwear" and (2) not
mentioned it in the first place ;-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:50:14 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:03:39 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:15:20 -0500, Al Drake wrote:

I had read many good things about CCleaner so I decided to add it to
one system to see how it behaved. Me being me I paid for the "better"
version and got some extra help I thought was nice. Referring back to
the condition of the second hand install with who knows what left over.
SO far nothing but I do like the report of what it removes when I leave
the internet. Together with Malewarebytes and Kaspershy Pure I feel
better than running naked.

Translations for the uninitiated:

Malewarebytes: Malwarebytes
Website: https://www.malwarebytes.org/
Notes: Maleware appears to refer to a form of men's clothing

Kaspershy Pu Kaspersky Pure
Website:
http://usa.kaspersky.com/products-services/home-computer-security/pure/
Notes: For people who like to pay when equivalents are free

I'd also like to mention that a number of radio news announcers talk
about "mallware", which strikes me as clothing to go shopping in :-)

Yeah, I know, I should have (1) spelled it "mallwear" and (2) not
mentioned it in the first place ;-)

I probably should have followed your latter advice, myself. Now he wants me
to teach him about online security. Ugh!

--

Char Jackson