Is there a way to set Num Locks so that they are always on?

In message , Mike Easter
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Linea Recta
"T"

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Chaos?

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?

Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?

That was my thinking.

As I said in my earlier post, it isn't that the customer doesn't know
this (at least, I _assume_ she knows how to turn it back on), it's that
she hits by mistake the key that toggles it, then carries on typing
numbers, which results in your cursor being miles from where you thought
it was (or worse).

You're missing his point: she turns it off accidentally, so doesn't
realise she has done so and continues typing; this can be very
confusing, as your cursor can be on a line or even page other than where
you thought it was, and you don't know what (or where!) you have
typed/changed since you hit it. Knowing how to turn it back on doesn't
tell you what you've done since.

What? Aren't we talking about the working or non-working of the keypad
number keys?

Yes. Try this: open a text file in any editor (such as you might be
using to post a followup to this post). Have your cursor in the middle
of the text somewhere, now type 1995 say, as if you were typing the
year. But, "accidentally" turn off num lock before you type the 1995.
You will find your cursor is miles from where it was, and there's
probably a spurious "5" somewhere unexpected too.

Or are we talking about some kind of keypadless keyboard which has
overlap of the keypad and regular keyboard?

I think we need a better explanation of why it wouldn't be appropriate
for a user to understand the toggling of the numlock.

I think she does - she just would rather it wasn't _possible_ to turn it
off, since she never has any desire to operate with it off.

It seems to me that the accidental toggling of the insert key is more
confusing than losing the numlock.


You might find Insert Toggle Key
https://web.archive.org/web/20131108...et/other.shtml
useful; like the main toggle keys, it makes a beep when you accidentally
hit the insert key. I _think_ it still works under 7. (OK, it doesn't
_prevent_ such accidentally toggling, but at least you know you've done
it.)
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On 09/19/2015 12:15 AM, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:30 -0700, T wrote:

I am not beyond a keyboard that does the same thing. hardware
or software, I don't care.

Thank you for helping me with this,

Remove the keycap and put something under it to stop it being pressed.


:-)

On 09/19/2015 01:20 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:42:42 -0700, T wrote:

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?


The help file for Autohotkey suggests "SetNumLockState, AlwaysOn".

Autohotkey is essential equipment, IMHO, for so many reasons.


What is Autohotkey?

On 09/19/2015 02:24 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:15:24 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:30 -0700, T wrote:

I am not beyond a keyboard that does the same thing. hardware
or software, I don't care.

Thank you for helping me with this,

Remove the keycap and put something under it to stop it being pressed.

Do a search, num-lock locker, easily found.
Hint,
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...umLocker.shtml

I have a caps-lock blocker, makes life MUCH easier on me.


Thank you!

On 09/19/2015 02:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?

Many thanks,
-T

I have found how to turn it on at boot from the registry,
but that will not help in this situation.

Numlocker
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...umLocker.shtml



Thank you!

On 09/19/2015 09:11 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?


Actually, no. That would be too easy. It has been tried by
at least three other people that I know of and "employee educaton"
has not worked. It is what it is.

On 09/19/2015 09:47 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Linea Recta
writes:
"T" schreef in bericht
...
Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?



You're missing his point: she turns it off accidentally, so doesn't
realise she has done so and continues typing; this can be very
confusing, as your cursor can be on a line or even page other than where
you thought it was, and you don't know what (or where!) you have
typed/changed since you hit it. Knowing how to turn it back on doesn't
tell you what you've done since.

She gets frustrated, keeps repeating the same mistake hoping it
will clear up, freezes up the program, calls someone else for help.
The other employees show her what she did wrong, she states how much she
hates computers, and off she goes to do it again.

I think she is fumble fingering the "7" and hitting the "Num Lock".

People's computer skills differ.

"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 09:11 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
...
Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?


Actually, no. That would be too easy. It has been tried by
at least three other people that I know of and "employee educaton"
has not worked. It is what it is.



LOL



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On 09/19/2015 10:56 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Linea Recta
"T"

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Chaos?

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?

Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?

That was my thinking.

You're missing his point: she turns it off accidentally, so doesn't
realise she has done so and continues typing; this can be very
confusing, as your cursor can be on a line or even page other than where
you thought it was, and you don't know what (or where!) you have
typed/changed since you hit it. Knowing how to turn it back on doesn't
tell you what you've done since.

What? Aren't we talking about the working or non-working of the keypad
number keys?

Or are we talking about some kind of keypadless keyboard which has
overlap of the keypad and regular keyboard?

I think we need a better explanation of why it wouldn't be appropriate
for a user to understand the toggling of the numlock.

It seems to me that the accidental toggling of the insert key is more
confusing than losing the numlock.



Hi Mike,

I think you are not use to working with zero computer skill operators.
You have to make it as simple and stupid as possible. This one
particular employee is absolutely amazing with the customers and
knows the products like the back of her hand. She even get hugs from
customers. The only downside is her inability to pick up computer
skills. It is in EVERYONE's economic self interest to work with her.

-T

My base system is Linux. Cap Locks DRIVE ME CRAZY. I run
/home/linuxutil/DisableCaplock

#!/bin/bash
setxkbmap -layout "$(setxkbmap -print | awk -F + '/xkb_symbols/ {print
$2}')" -option ctrl:nocaps

When ever I start up/log on.

When I start up my Virtual Machines, the stupid hypervisor turns
them back on. Drives me only a little nuts but I instantly know
what happened.

On 09/19/2015 12:15 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 09:11 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?


Actually, no. That would be too easy. It has been tried by
at least three other people that I know of and "employee educaton"
has not worked. It is what it is.



LOL




Hi Linea,

As I said in another post:

This one particular employee is absolutely amazing with
the customers and knows the products like the back of her
hand. She even get hugs from customers. The only downside
is her inability to pick up computer skills. It is in
EVERYONE's economic self interest to work with her.

Working with zero skill operators can be both frustrating
and gratifying at the same time. The trick is to not lose
your cool. You lose your cool and you get an enemy for life.
You figure out a way to work with them and you have a friend
for life. Well, until the next time the forget where the
power button is. :-)

-T

"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 12:15 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 09:11 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?


Actually, no. That would be too easy. It has been tried by
at least three other people that I know of and "employee educaton"
has not worked. It is what it is.



LOL




Hi Linea,

As I said in another post:

This one particular employee is absolutely amazing with
the customers and knows the products like the back of her
hand. She even get hugs from customers. The only downside
is her inability to pick up computer skills. It is in
EVERYONE's economic self interest to work with her.

Working with zero skill operators can be both frustrating
and gratifying at the same time. The trick is to not lose
your cool. You lose your cool and you get an enemy for life.
You figure out a way to work with them and you have a friend
for life. Well, until the next time the forget where the
power button is. :-)

-T




A bit of applied psychology won't do no harm I suppose :-)
Oops! Gues what? I pressed lumlock!



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On 09/19/2015 12:09 PM, T wrote:
On 09/19/2015 02:24 AM, The New Other Guy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:15:24 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:30 -0700, T wrote:

I am not beyond a keyboard that does the same thing. hardware
or software, I don't care.

Thank you for helping me with this,

Remove the keycap and put something under it to stop it being pressed.

Do a search, num-lock locker, easily found.
Hint,
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...umLocker.shtml

I have a caps-lock blocker, makes life MUCH easier on me.


Thank you!


Hi Guy,

I searched for hours looking for something like that. :'(

It took a trip over to Virus Total first, then I installed
on my W7Pro Virtual Machine. The Num Locks stays on
permanently, regardless of it being pressed.

Thank you!

-T

This is interesting, my num light flashes on and off
and my base system switches back and forth. It is just
the Virtual Machine that is locked.

On 09/19/2015 12:38 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 12:15 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
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On 09/19/2015 09:11 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
"T" schreef in bericht
...
Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?



Couldn't you teach her how to turn numlock back on?


Actually, no. That would be too easy. It has been tried by
at least three other people that I know of and "employee educaton"
has not worked. It is what it is.



LOL




Hi Linea,

As I said in another post:

This one particular employee is absolutely amazing with
the customers and knows the products like the back of her
hand. She even get hugs from customers. The only downside
is her inability to pick up computer skills. It is in
EVERYONE's economic self interest to work with her.

Working with zero skill operators can be both frustrating
and gratifying at the same time. The trick is to not lose
your cool. You lose your cool and you get an enemy for life.
You figure out a way to work with them and you have a friend
for life. Well, until the next time the forget where the
power button is. :-)

-T




A bit of applied psychology won't do no harm I suppose :-)
Oops! Gues what? I pressed lumlock!

:-)

On 09/19/2015 05:54 PM, Mandy Liefbowitz wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:06:39 -0700, T wrote:

On 09/19/2015 12:15 AM, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:30 -0700, T wrote:

I am not beyond a keyboard that does the same thing. hardware
or software, I don't care.

Thank you for helping me with this,

Remove the keycap and put something under it to stop it being pressed.


:-)

Remove "Num-Lock" toggle keycap. Pour loads of superglue into the
keycap. Replace keycap carefully while holding keyboard upside down so
as to not spill juice. Wait until juice is fairly dry. Hand keyboard
back to the klutz.
As an "atom-bombing mosquitoes" level of fix it also works with those
buffoons who like the caps-lock key.
M.


Super glue a thumb tack on it?

She has long-ish fingernails and hit the num lock at the
same time she hits the 7, or so I presume

On 9/18/2015 8:42 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

Got a customer who constantly, accidentally turn off her
num lock, they get upset by the resulting chaos.

Is there a way I can lock it to always on?

Many thanks,
-T

I have found how to turn it on at boot from the registry,
but that will not help in this situation.
1.
Use a free keyboard re-mapper - my NumLock is now Tab so I can do one
handed entries in Excel. One should be able to make NL anything
including "do nothing"

2.
Find a small pill container or other plastic part and rubber cement it
to the keyboard frame over the NL key.