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Old December 10th 16, 02:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
ABS
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drive copy

I am in the process of using a PC to help copy data from a bunch of my
portable USB hard drives over to a master hard drive, just for back up
purposes. I've been doing this in Win 7 just by dragging and dropping
the files from one drive to the other. So far, so good except now I'm
running into an issue: one of the external drives doesn't seem to want
to copy its contents to the master drive. At first, I got error
messages, something about a file missing that couldn't be copied. I
chose to skip that as well as any other files found. Then, suddenly,
everything would stop and the autoplay boxes would pop up for each
drive. Only some data would be transferred. I've tried scanning and
fixing drive errors, which Win 7 did report errors and fix them, but it
hasn't helped. As a last resort, I'm using a Ubuntu CD to try the file
transfer, but I shouldn't of had to do this.

Any idea what's going on with this drive? It is a WD WDBAAF5000EBK-01
in a discrete HD casing with USB2 interface (this is how I bought it, I
did not put in external case). Before I started attempting data
transfer in Ubuntu, it reported the drive as healthy.

thanks
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Old December 10th 16, 03:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drivecopy

ABS wrote:
I am in the process of using a PC to help copy data from a bunch of my
portable USB hard drives over to a master hard drive, just for back up
purposes. I've been doing this in Win 7 just by dragging and dropping
the files from one drive to the other. So far, so good except now I'm
running into an issue: one of the external drives doesn't seem to want
to copy its contents to the master drive. At first, I got error
messages, something about a file missing that couldn't be copied. I
chose to skip that as well as any other files found. Then, suddenly,
everything would stop and the autoplay boxes would pop up for each
drive. Only some data would be transferred. I've tried scanning and
fixing drive errors, which Win 7 did report errors and fix them, but it
hasn't helped. As a last resort, I'm using a Ubuntu CD to try the file
transfer, but I shouldn't of had to do this.

Any idea what's going on with this drive? It is a WD WDBAAF5000EBK-01
in a discrete HD casing with USB2 interface (this is how I bought it, I
did not put in external case). Before I started attempting data
transfer in Ubuntu, it reported the drive as healthy.

thanks


Something is causing the drive to disappear and
reappear. I would remove it from the enclosure
and connect it directly to the PC. It could be
that some aspect of the power to the drive
isn't working right. And a more direct connection
to the PC will help (at the moment).

The drive appears to be 3.5". It runs off
+5V (logic board) and +12V (motor etc).

Typically, an enclosure power source provides 12V @ 2A
or so. (That is a wall adapter with a barrel plug on
the end.) The USB board inside the enclosure, has a linear
regulator to make +5V from the +12V coming from the
external source.

If the 12V is a bit too low, the drive does an emergency
head retract. You hear a "click". Then moments later
(when the voltage pops up again because of the
reduced loading), the drive starts to spin up again.
Then, the Autoplay boxes appear on the screen, as
Windows "re-discovers" the hard drive.

It could be an enclosure issue.

It could be a drive issue (the drive isn't healthy).

By removing the drive from the enclosure
and putting it inside a desktop PC, you have
a chance to remove the enclosure power as an issue
with the setup. You will also be able to check
the SMART stats, use a WDC test utility to do
the "quick" test on the drive, and so on.
Or use the free version of HDTune to characterize
the current drive health. (With HDTune, you can
do a read benchmark, and see if the curve is smooth.
You can also check SMART in there, if the drive is
connected via IDE or SATA cable to the inside of
the PC.)

For WDC Mybook enclosures, you can sometimes find a
procedure on Youtube for opening the enclosure. There
may be screws you can access via cooling grill holes.
And so on. Just hope it isn't one of those "snap-together"
enclosures you have to depress the tabs to get the
two halves of the enclosure open. I hate stuff like
that.

Paul
  #3  
Old December 10th 16, 03:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
ABS
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drivecopy

On 12/10/2016 09:18 AM, Paul wrote:
ABS wrote:
I am in the process of using a PC to help copy data from a bunch of my
portable USB hard drives over to a master hard drive, just for back up
purposes. I've been doing this in Win 7 just by dragging and dropping
the files from one drive to the other. So far, so good except now I'm
running into an issue: one of the external drives doesn't seem to
want to copy its contents to the master drive. At first, I got error
messages, something about a file missing that couldn't be copied. I
chose to skip that as well as any other files found. Then, suddenly,
everything would stop and the autoplay boxes would pop up for each
drive. Only some data would be transferred. I've tried scanning and
fixing drive errors, which Win 7 did report errors and fix them, but
it hasn't helped. As a last resort, I'm using a Ubuntu CD to try the
file transfer, but I shouldn't of had to do this.

Any idea what's going on with this drive? It is a WD WDBAAF5000EBK-01
in a discrete HD casing with USB2 interface (this is how I bought it,
I did not put in external case). Before I started attempting data
transfer in Ubuntu, it reported the drive as healthy.

thanks


Something is causing the drive to disappear and
reappear. I would remove it from the enclosure
and connect it directly to the PC. It could be
that some aspect of the power to the drive
isn't working right. And a more direct connection
to the PC will help (at the moment).

The drive appears to be 3.5". It runs off
+5V (logic board) and +12V (motor etc).

Typically, an enclosure power source provides 12V @ 2A
or so. (That is a wall adapter with a barrel plug on
the end.) The USB board inside the enclosure, has a linear
regulator to make +5V from the +12V coming from the
external source.

If the 12V is a bit too low, the drive does an emergency
head retract. You hear a "click". Then moments later
(when the voltage pops up again because of the
reduced loading), the drive starts to spin up again.
Then, the Autoplay boxes appear on the screen, as
Windows "re-discovers" the hard drive.

It could be an enclosure issue.

It could be a drive issue (the drive isn't healthy).

By removing the drive from the enclosure
and putting it inside a desktop PC, you have
a chance to remove the enclosure power as an issue
with the setup. You will also be able to check
the SMART stats, use a WDC test utility to do
the "quick" test on the drive, and so on.
Or use the free version of HDTune to characterize
the current drive health. (With HDTune, you can
do a read benchmark, and see if the curve is smooth.
You can also check SMART in there, if the drive is
connected via IDE or SATA cable to the inside of
the PC.)

For WDC Mybook enclosures, you can sometimes find a
procedure on Youtube for opening the enclosure. There
may be screws you can access via cooling grill holes.
And so on. Just hope it isn't one of those "snap-together"
enclosures you have to depress the tabs to get the
two halves of the enclosure open. I hate stuff like
that.

Paul


I didn't mention it earlier, but I actually did remove the drive from
the enclosure. It wasn't easy, but at least I can place it back inside
when done. I have a USB 2 cradle and a Coolgear gadget that accepts all
sorts of drives, also USB 2 output. Both of these have their own power
supplies. In both cases, the drive wouldn't be recognized in Win 7. It
would power up and churn, but Win 7 wanted to format it. I pulled the
original circuit from the enclosure and reinstalled it on the drive and
it was once again recognized in Win 7. This seems like a separate issue
and there's probably some circuit set up where only the WD circuit will
allow the drive to work, but I have no idea. Anyway,the data is
currently being copied to the master drive and this is the furthest I
have gotten so far with the transfer using disk management in the Ubuntu
CD. Will update once it finishes and see how far it went.
  #4  
Old December 10th 16, 06:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
ABS
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drivecopy

On 12/10/2016 09:50 AM, ABS wrote:
On 12/10/2016 09:18 AM, Paul wrote:
ABS wrote:
I am in the process of using a PC to help copy data from a bunch of my
portable USB hard drives over to a master hard drive, just for back up
purposes. I've been doing this in Win 7 just by dragging and dropping
the files from one drive to the other. So far, so good except now I'm
running into an issue: one of the external drives doesn't seem to
want to copy its contents to the master drive. At first, I got error
messages, something about a file missing that couldn't be copied. I
chose to skip that as well as any other files found. Then, suddenly,
everything would stop and the autoplay boxes would pop up for each
drive. Only some data would be transferred. I've tried scanning and
fixing drive errors, which Win 7 did report errors and fix them, but
it hasn't helped. As a last resort, I'm using a Ubuntu CD to try the
file transfer, but I shouldn't of had to do this.

Any idea what's going on with this drive? It is a WD WDBAAF5000EBK-01
in a discrete HD casing with USB2 interface (this is how I bought it,
I did not put in external case). Before I started attempting data
transfer in Ubuntu, it reported the drive as healthy.

thanks


Something is causing the drive to disappear and
reappear. I would remove it from the enclosure
and connect it directly to the PC. It could be
that some aspect of the power to the drive
isn't working right. And a more direct connection
to the PC will help (at the moment).

The drive appears to be 3.5". It runs off
+5V (logic board) and +12V (motor etc).

Typically, an enclosure power source provides 12V @ 2A
or so. (That is a wall adapter with a barrel plug on
the end.) The USB board inside the enclosure, has a linear
regulator to make +5V from the +12V coming from the
external source.

If the 12V is a bit too low, the drive does an emergency
head retract. You hear a "click". Then moments later
(when the voltage pops up again because of the
reduced loading), the drive starts to spin up again.
Then, the Autoplay boxes appear on the screen, as
Windows "re-discovers" the hard drive.

It could be an enclosure issue.

It could be a drive issue (the drive isn't healthy).

By removing the drive from the enclosure
and putting it inside a desktop PC, you have
a chance to remove the enclosure power as an issue
with the setup. You will also be able to check
the SMART stats, use a WDC test utility to do
the "quick" test on the drive, and so on.
Or use the free version of HDTune to characterize
the current drive health. (With HDTune, you can
do a read benchmark, and see if the curve is smooth.
You can also check SMART in there, if the drive is
connected via IDE or SATA cable to the inside of
the PC.)

For WDC Mybook enclosures, you can sometimes find a
procedure on Youtube for opening the enclosure. There
may be screws you can access via cooling grill holes.
And so on. Just hope it isn't one of those "snap-together"
enclosures you have to depress the tabs to get the
two halves of the enclosure open. I hate stuff like
that.

Paul


I didn't mention it earlier, but I actually did remove the drive from
the enclosure. It wasn't easy, but at least I can place it back inside
when done. I have a USB 2 cradle and a Coolgear gadget that accepts all
sorts of drives, also USB 2 output. Both of these have their own power
supplies. In both cases, the drive wouldn't be recognized in Win 7. It
would power up and churn, but Win 7 wanted to format it. I pulled the
original circuit from the enclosure and reinstalled it on the drive and
it was once again recognized in Win 7. This seems like a separate issue
and there's probably some circuit set up where only the WD circuit will
allow the drive to work, but I have no idea. Anyway,the data is
currently being copied to the master drive and this is the furthest I
have gotten so far with the transfer using disk management in the Ubuntu
CD. Will update once it finishes and see how far it went.


Well, using the Ubuntu CD, I was able to copy the disk in its entirety
to the master. This was even after I had placed it back into its
original casing. So, now I'm not sure why it wouldn't transfer in Win 7.

  #5  
Old December 10th 16, 07:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drivecopy

ABS wrote:
On 12/10/2016 09:50 AM, ABS wrote:
On 12/10/2016 09:18 AM, Paul wrote:
ABS wrote:
I am in the process of using a PC to help copy data from a bunch of my
portable USB hard drives over to a master hard drive, just for back up
purposes. I've been doing this in Win 7 just by dragging and dropping
the files from one drive to the other. So far, so good except now I'm
running into an issue: one of the external drives doesn't seem to
want to copy its contents to the master drive. At first, I got error
messages, something about a file missing that couldn't be copied. I
chose to skip that as well as any other files found. Then, suddenly,
everything would stop and the autoplay boxes would pop up for each
drive. Only some data would be transferred. I've tried scanning and
fixing drive errors, which Win 7 did report errors and fix them, but
it hasn't helped. As a last resort, I'm using a Ubuntu CD to try the
file transfer, but I shouldn't of had to do this.

Any idea what's going on with this drive? It is a WD WDBAAF5000EBK-01
in a discrete HD casing with USB2 interface (this is how I bought it,
I did not put in external case). Before I started attempting data
transfer in Ubuntu, it reported the drive as healthy.

thanks

Something is causing the drive to disappear and
reappear. I would remove it from the enclosure
and connect it directly to the PC. It could be
that some aspect of the power to the drive
isn't working right. And a more direct connection
to the PC will help (at the moment).

The drive appears to be 3.5". It runs off
+5V (logic board) and +12V (motor etc).

Typically, an enclosure power source provides 12V @ 2A
or so. (That is a wall adapter with a barrel plug on
the end.) The USB board inside the enclosure, has a linear
regulator to make +5V from the +12V coming from the
external source.

If the 12V is a bit too low, the drive does an emergency
head retract. You hear a "click". Then moments later
(when the voltage pops up again because of the
reduced loading), the drive starts to spin up again.
Then, the Autoplay boxes appear on the screen, as
Windows "re-discovers" the hard drive.

It could be an enclosure issue.

It could be a drive issue (the drive isn't healthy).

By removing the drive from the enclosure
and putting it inside a desktop PC, you have
a chance to remove the enclosure power as an issue
with the setup. You will also be able to check
the SMART stats, use a WDC test utility to do
the "quick" test on the drive, and so on.
Or use the free version of HDTune to characterize
the current drive health. (With HDTune, you can
do a read benchmark, and see if the curve is smooth.
You can also check SMART in there, if the drive is
connected via IDE or SATA cable to the inside of
the PC.)

For WDC Mybook enclosures, you can sometimes find a
procedure on Youtube for opening the enclosure. There
may be screws you can access via cooling grill holes.
And so on. Just hope it isn't one of those "snap-together"
enclosures you have to depress the tabs to get the
two halves of the enclosure open. I hate stuff like
that.

Paul


I didn't mention it earlier, but I actually did remove the drive from
the enclosure. It wasn't easy, but at least I can place it back inside
when done. I have a USB 2 cradle and a Coolgear gadget that accepts all
sorts of drives, also USB 2 output. Both of these have their own power
supplies. In both cases, the drive wouldn't be recognized in Win 7. It
would power up and churn, but Win 7 wanted to format it. I pulled the
original circuit from the enclosure and reinstalled it on the drive and
it was once again recognized in Win 7. This seems like a separate issue
and there's probably some circuit set up where only the WD circuit will
allow the drive to work, but I have no idea. Anyway,the data is
currently being copied to the master drive and this is the furthest I
have gotten so far with the transfer using disk management in the Ubuntu
CD. Will update once it finishes and see how far it went.


Well, using the Ubuntu CD, I was able to copy the disk in its entirety
to the master. This was even after I had placed it back into its
original casing. So, now I'm not sure why it wouldn't transfer in Win 7.


It might have been a permissions problem.

Keep in mind, that some backup utilities
can bypass permissions. If file copying looks
nasty as a procedure, pretend to make a backup.

Macrium Reflect Free (backup) --- MRIMG file (will be big enough to hold all files)
20GB of files = 20GB MRIMG file

MRIMG (right-click, select Mount) --- gives a virtual copy of the data
at a separate drive letter. Drive letter
works in explorer and has a custom icon.

There is a tick box in the mounter that says "access restricted folders?"
or similar. If you tick that, you should be able to copy stuff.

Just an idea you can test at some point.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

The nice thing about making a backup, is you
automatically get everything. You can toss the
MRIMG file when finished (unmount first of course :-) ).
Or the MRIMG could be left on your "good" hard
drive, with the copied files, for future reference.

Paul
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Old December 10th 16, 10:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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Default keep getting errors when trying to do a hard drive to hard drive copy

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:18:17 -0500, Paul wrote:
Something is causing the drive to disappear and
reappear. I would remove it from the enclosure
and connect it directly to the PC. It could be
that some aspect of the power to the drive
isn't working right. And a more direct connection
to the PC will help (at the moment).


Or the USB port or cable is going bad, either electrically or
mechanically.

I had a Western Digital drive connected to my vintage 2010 Dell
laptop, and though it was initially recognized the drive would
quickly go unavailable. I thought the drive was bad, after less than
a year, but later I discovered that the USB port had loosened up just
enough over time that it no longer made a good connection with some
cables.


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