page file and SSD life question

Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

I just upped my RAM to 32 GB.

On 01/19/2017 09:08 AM, Z wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

I just upped my RAM to 32 GB.

Do you use a page file? And are you using an SSD?

T wrote:

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

I have run Win7, 8 and 10, with 8 or 16GB of memory, an SSD and no page
file, without any issues.

I do have a 1GB pagefile on SSD at the moment, this frees up about 1GB
of memory by paging-out inactive processes, but before I created the
pagefile I generally had 3-4 GB free anyway, so it doesn't feel much
different.

On 01/19/2017 09:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

I have run Win7, 8 and 10, with 8 or 16GB of memory, an SSD and no page
file, without any issues.

I do have a 1GB pagefile on SSD at the moment, this frees up about 1GB
of memory by paging-out inactive processes, but before I created the
pagefile I generally had 3-4 GB free anyway, so it doesn't feel much
different.


Thank you!

T wrote:
On 01/19/2017 09:08 AM, Z wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

I just upped my RAM to 32 GB.

Do you use a page file? And are you using an SSD?

With 32 GB RAM, the page file is so lonesome. Yes, an SSD. You did, I
trust, run the CD that came with your SSD, right?

On 01/19/2017 09:54 AM, Z wrote:
T wrote:
On 01/19/2017 09:08 AM, Z wrote:
T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

I just upped my RAM to 32 GB.

Do you use a page file? And are you using an SSD?

With 32 GB RAM, the page file is so lonesome. Yes, an SSD. You did, I
trust, run the CD that came with your SSD, right?

I haven't seen a CD come for a while with Inetl
SSD drives.

I do download Intel's SSD Toolkit, and set a schedule
for trim, and run the optimizer.

T wrote:

Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by turning off
the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come across use
about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum of 8 GB installed.
Doesn't seem to be an issue, but I have never put it to the
test.

-T

I just upped my RAM to 32 GB.

Do you use a page file? And are you using an SSD?

With 32 GB RAM, the page file is so lonesome. Yes, an SSD. You did,
I trust, run the CD that came with your SSD, right?

I haven't seen a CD come for a while with Inetl SSD drives.

I do download Intel's SSD Toolkit, and set a schedule for trim, and
run the optimizer.



I use Samsung and it comes with a CD.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:06:17 -0800, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, T wrote:

Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.


Windows 10 x64 asks for a minimum of 800MB of page file (on a 16GB sytem)
to do certain kinds of error reporting. I have mine set to manage the
page file at 800MB-8192MB, and it never goes higher than 800MB on my 16GB
system. You could set that 800MB, or whatever Windows tells you, as the
minimum and the maximum and retain full functionality.

Windows will throw up a warning about this when you try to turn off the
page file completely, and you can decide if losing error reporting (I
think a kernel dump is what the min is based on) is okay at that point.

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:06:17 -0800, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, T wrote:

Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ons-of-windows

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:06:17 -0800, T wrote:

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Maybe not a real answer to your question, but interesting reading
material:

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/e7/2009/05/05/support-and-qa-for-solid-state-drives/

quote

Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?

Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger
sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs
handle well.

In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on
pagefile reads and writes, we find that


Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,

Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less
than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.

Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or
equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.


In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable
performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few
files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.

/quote

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On 1/19/2017 12:06 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

I wouldn't turn the pagefile off, nor would I worry about prolonging the
SSD life. The pagefile is still required even if you have tons of RAM,
because it is used during core dump saves when the computer has random
problems that you may want to fix.

As for an SSD lifecycle, it'll last nearly 300 years in normal use
scenarios (which includes pagefile operations). An SSD is much more
reliable than a hard drive these days.

Yousuf Khan

T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

Most W-7 and W-Nein, oops W-10 computers I come
across use about 2 to 3 GB of RAM and have a minimum
of 8 GB installed. Doesn't seem to be an issue, but
I have never put it to the test.

-T

It doesn't seem to be an issue. In Win10, the Memory Conpressor
will interfere with your best attempts to "burn up" your pagefile
device.

http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/u...ry-compression

It's pretty hard to make some good test cases, due to the
dynamics.

My personal policy, is to take the pagefile off "system managed"
and make it a low (non-zero) value. On VMs for example,
I set it to 1GB "min" and "max". The only time I use a
big big pagefile, is when I know something I'm about
to do is virtually unbounded. And that's only happened
once on the Test Machine, since I built it. A compute job
that was bigger than the amount of RAM the machine has.

Lots of other things, could be more antagonistic. Say, the
scratch disk feature of Photoshop (used for "undo buffers").
Or, the amount of %temp% activity, on some programs that
use the file system as a memory extension. Microsoft ICE
for example, can do 2TB of writes, in order to prepare a
20GB output file for you. So you do have to examine the
algorithmic details of the software you use, to understand
what's wearing out your SSD. The pagefile might be a smaller
overall contributor.

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

I have run Win7, 8 and 10, with 8 or 16GB of memory, an SSD and no page
file, without any issues.

I do have a 1GB pagefile on SSD at the moment, this frees up about 1GB
of memory by paging-out inactive processes, but before I created the
pagefile I generally had 3-4 GB free anyway, so it doesn't feel much
different.

Mine uses 2 GB out of 11 GB on an old box with 6 GB of RAM. I am just
using the Internet. :P
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 1/19/2017 12:06 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

What is you guys take of prolonging SSD life by
turning off the page file?

I wouldn't turn the pagefile off, nor would I worry about prolonging the
SSD life. The pagefile is still required even if you have tons of RAM,
because it is used during core dump saves when the computer has random
problems that you may want to fix.

Also, there are stuff that leak memories like crazy.
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