Microsoft won't fix the most frustrating thing about Windows

On 2/2/17, 3:06 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 1:19 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Works just fine for me... Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

Did you open that in ImageMagick and print from there? It has the same flaws
I showed from there... and, of course, that is not the best tool for opening
a PDF.

No I printed directly from the browser to the printers, that is what you
said you could not do.

OK.

That image is a scan of the first page of both outputs.

One looks good -- the other looks like the ImageMagick converted one. So now
we see the problem is not just with ImageMagick but with printing, too. Do
you know if it was converted to image first?

Even the other on (top layer, lower image) has issues with spacing in the
italicized "babka."

I printed / scanned (300 dpi) / saved to PDF. No such issues:

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/babka.pdf

Now for PDF, I printer to PDF from the browser and here is the resulting PDF:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

Looks okay to me!

Still the issue with the italicized "babka" but not a big issue, esp. if
this was just for home use to make the recipe!


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Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 2:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 1:30 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
On 2017-02-02, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:

It didn't work on either Ubuntu or Korora and as far as I know, CUPS
is installed by default in both.

Now you have friendly web interface in web browser:

http://localhost:631

Check the log and see what the error is.

Also tail /var/log/syslog and /var/log/cups/error_log while trying to
setup printer and see what errors occur realtime...

Again most likely a firewall and|or network configuration issue. Don't
have that model but when my son was still living here had no problem
whatsoever connecting to his CLP-300N.

Oh this is kind of funny. I do own a Samsung color laser, model CLP-315
and I can confirm it works on EVERY Linux distribution I have tried.

See his post about printing an online recipe. Not sure how some folks
manage to encounter such problems?

Marek went to show it ... and then used a different recipe and STILL had
issues (though not as bad). But it is odd why it will not print that one
recipe... does print everything else we have tossed at it (which is not
much).

Did get the association issue resolved.

There seems to be that handful that just cannot mange to get anything to
work. Unfortunately they tend to have an inversely proportional
relationship to willingness to receive help to volume of whining...

Hey, if anyone has a suggestion on how to resolve it I would love to see it.


Don't know I did not have any issue whatsoever as the scanned printouts
I showed as evidence.

With yours, though, you do have the same spacing issues I show in the
conversion to an image by ImageMagick.

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Odd you would have that... or is that one from ImageMagick and the other a
direct print? The top one looks fine.


No ImageMagick at all the top one was to the ol' LJ2100 which seems to
show a kerning issue. It is a samba shared printer, the printer does not
have a NIC. It only appears on the top most title line "How To Make
Babka" in a serif font, the rest looks just fine. It might be do to
using Local Raw Printer driver. The lower one is using the HPLIP PS
driver. No issue there.

For printing to PDF looks just fine to me:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 2017-02-02, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Marek Novotny wrote:

I became active in the advocacy group a while back and as such I saw
that thread and made a video, which I posted to YouTube which shows my
experience with the issue, which is I had no issue.

https://youtu.be/sAArQZua0m8

I didn't scan a copy of the printed output and post that as you did. But
I can simply tell you it came out flawlessly. I think you might already
know that I have been using Qoppa PDF Studio Pro for a couple years on
the recommendation of someone here, I forgot who. If I had any such
problems with PDFs I would have mentioned it. And I have been buying
that software since version 9.

The op set up less than ideal circumstances in which to conduct his
testing. For one thing, he's using a ten year old Mac and the OS is
installed on a USB thumb drive. With only one NAND it is likely that the
lack of a good NAND controller causes periodic IO hangs which are
acceptable in a file copy process, but less than ideal in a operation of
an operating system. And so I wouldn't give any credence to this.


So Snit said he had trouble printing to pdf as well? Well I went to the
SAME page as he did and in addition to printing to two network HP
printers I have printed the page using the "to PDF" option:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

Looks just fine to me!

Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 3:00 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:

I became active in the advocacy group a while back and as such I saw
that thread and made a video, which I posted to YouTube which shows my
experience with the issue, which is I had no issue.

https://youtu.be/sAArQZua0m8

I didn't scan a copy of the printed output and post that as you did. But
I can simply tell you it came out flawlessly. I think you might already
know that I have been using Qoppa PDF Studio Pro for a couple years on
the recommendation of someone here, I forgot who. If I had any such
problems with PDFs I would have mentioned it. And I have been buying
that software since version 9.

The op set up less than ideal circumstances in which to conduct his
testing. For one thing, he's using a ten year old Mac and the OS is
installed on a USB thumb drive. With only one NAND it is likely that the
lack of a good NAND controller causes periodic IO hangs which are
acceptable in a file copy process, but less than ideal in a operation of
an operating system. And so I wouldn't give any credence to this.

So Snit said he had trouble printing to pdf as well?

Well, the conversion to PDF did odd stuff... which we see in the top
printout on yours (top layer, not top of the image you share).

Well I went to the SAME page as he did and in addition to printing to two
network HP printers I have printed the page using the "to PDF" option:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

So one printout worked fine and the other did not? Was it converted to an
image to print? Very odd.

Looks just fine to me!

Look at the "How To Make" text at the top of each page. One has significant
spacing issues... much like the ones I saw when ImageMagick converted it.

What you show says this error sometimes happens with printing, too.

Any idea why?


Here is a screenshot
of the PDF

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/Screenshot2017-02-02_17-29-02.png

I don't see any spacing issues.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 2/2/17, 3:26 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

....
Don't know I did not have any issue whatsoever as the scanned printouts
I showed as evidence.

With yours, though, you do have the same spacing issues I show in the
conversion to an image by ImageMagick.

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Odd you would have that... or is that one from ImageMagick and the other a
direct print? The top one looks fine.

No ImageMagick at all the top one was to the ol' LJ2100 which seems to
show a kerning issue. It is a samba shared printer, the printer does not
have a NIC. It only appears on the top most title line "How To Make
Babka" in a serif font, the rest looks just fine.

That is how it was with ImageMagick, too (though it only had the first
page).

Odd.

It might be do to using Local Raw Printer driver.

That should not convert it to an image (I do not think). I am going to guess
the ImageMagick conversion uses the same back end though.

The lower one is using the HPLIP PS driver.

No issue there.

Even the the italics is a bit off. If this was for home use to just make the
recipe it would be fine. If I was making this as a book to hand out or
whatever, though, I would want better.

For printing to PDF looks just fine to me:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

Even there the italics is a bit off... compare to the PDF on my system:

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/How-To-Make-Babka.pdf

And a side-by-side comparison so you can better see what I mean:

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/babka-spacing.pdf



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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
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superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2/2/17, 3:29 PM, in article
, "Marek Novotny"
wrote:

On 2017-02-02, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Marek Novotny wrote:

I became active in the advocacy group a while back and as such I saw
that thread and made a video, which I posted to YouTube which shows my
experience with the issue, which is I had no issue.

https://youtu.be/sAArQZua0m8

I didn't scan a copy of the printed output and post that as you did. But
I can simply tell you it came out flawlessly. I think you might already
know that I have been using Qoppa PDF Studio Pro for a couple years on
the recommendation of someone here, I forgot who. If I had any such
problems with PDFs I would have mentioned it. And I have been buying
that software since version 9.

The op set up less than ideal circumstances in which to conduct his
testing. For one thing, he's using a ten year old Mac and the OS is
installed on a USB thumb drive. With only one NAND it is likely that the
lack of a good NAND controller causes periodic IO hangs which are
acceptable in a file copy process, but less than ideal in a operation of
an operating system. And so I wouldn't give any credence to this.


So Snit said he had trouble printing to pdf as well? Well I went to the
SAME page as he did and in addition to printing to two network HP
printers I have printed the page using the "to PDF" option:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

Looks just fine to me!

Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

In case you really do want to talk about the tech and not just troll, here
is the issue:

When Jonathan posts the spacing gets messed up. In one case it is just with
the title text, as we saw with the ImageMagick conversion, and with the
other it is a more minor issue with italics.

If you have anything to say on the topic that would be great. If you are
here just to troll I am not interested.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 2/2/17, 3:37 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 3:00 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:

I became active in the advocacy group a while back and as such I saw
that thread and made a video, which I posted to YouTube which shows my
experience with the issue, which is I had no issue.

https://youtu.be/sAArQZua0m8

I didn't scan a copy of the printed output and post that as you did. But
I can simply tell you it came out flawlessly. I think you might already
know that I have been using Qoppa PDF Studio Pro for a couple years on
the recommendation of someone here, I forgot who. If I had any such
problems with PDFs I would have mentioned it. And I have been buying
that software since version 9.

The op set up less than ideal circumstances in which to conduct his
testing. For one thing, he's using a ten year old Mac and the OS is
installed on a USB thumb drive. With only one NAND it is likely that the
lack of a good NAND controller causes periodic IO hangs which are
acceptable in a file copy process, but less than ideal in a operation of
an operating system. And so I wouldn't give any credence to this.

So Snit said he had trouble printing to pdf as well?

Well, the conversion to PDF did odd stuff... which we see in the top
printout on yours (top layer, not top of the image you share).

Well I went to the SAME page as he did and in addition to printing to two
network HP printers I have printed the page using the "to PDF" option:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

So one printout worked fine and the other did not? Was it converted to an
image to print? Very odd.

Looks just fine to me!

Look at the "How To Make" text at the top of each page. One has significant
spacing issues... much like the ones I saw when ImageMagick converted it.

What you show says this error sometimes happens with printing, too.

Any idea why?


Here is a screenshot
of the PDF

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/tem...02_17-29-02.pn
g

I don't see any spacing issues.

Certainly a lot less on that one than the other. No doubt.

But here is the comparison I showed that points out the space between the k
and the a in the italics "babka".

To be fair I sometimes see that level of spacing issue in professionally
printed books. Certainly not as big of an issue as the other, but enough
where I would want better if I was doing it for something other than home
use.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Agreed it is far from beinga big issue... as I said I have seen similar in
professionally printed books. Still, curious to have it as an issue.

But not nearly as big of an issue as what you showed with the other
print-out.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article
Snit wrote:

On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Agreed it is far from beinga big issue... as I said I have seen similar in
professionally printed books. Still, curious to have it as an issue.

But not nearly as big of an issue as what you showed with the other
print-out.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article
Snit wrote:

On 2/2/17, 3:37 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 3:00 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:

I became active in the advocacy group a while back and as such I saw
that thread and made a video, which I posted to YouTube which shows my
experience with the issue, which is I had no issue.

https://youtu.be/sAArQZua0m8

I didn't scan a copy of the printed output and post that as you did. But
I can simply tell you it came out flawlessly. I think you might already
know that I have been using Qoppa PDF Studio Pro for a couple years on
the recommendation of someone here, I forgot who. If I had any such
problems with PDFs I would have mentioned it. And I have been buying
that software since version 9.

The op set up less than ideal circumstances in which to conduct his
testing. For one thing, he's using a ten year old Mac and the OS is
installed on a USB thumb drive. With only one NAND it is likely that the
lack of a good NAND controller causes periodic IO hangs which are
acceptable in a file copy process, but less than ideal in a operation of
an operating system. And so I wouldn't give any credence to this.

So Snit said he had trouble printing to pdf as well?

Well, the conversion to PDF did odd stuff... which we see in the top
printout on yours (top layer, not top of the image you share).

Well I went to the SAME page as he did and in addition to printing to two
network HP printers I have printed the page using the "to PDF" option:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

So one printout worked fine and the other did not? Was it converted to an
image to print? Very odd.

Looks just fine to me!

Look at the "How To Make" text at the top of each page. One has significant
spacing issues... much like the ones I saw when ImageMagick converted it.

What you show says this error sometimes happens with printing, too.

Any idea why?


Here is a screenshot
of the PDF

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/tem...02_17-29-02.pn
g

I don't see any spacing issues.

Certainly a lot less on that one than the other. No doubt.

But here is the comparison I showed that points out the space between the k
and the a in the italics "babka".

To be fair I sometimes see that level of spacing issue in professionally
printed books. Certainly not as big of an issue as the other, but enough
where I would want better if I was doing it for something other than home
use.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On 2017-02-02 5:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
I couldn't help but find someone with a similar setup as me
having similar troubles:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=880267

Nobody helped him so you can imagine why I would appreciate your
assistance.

You running Ubuntu 8.04 or older??? I'd say your issue is
obsolete.

You'd be surprised how little changes when it comes to hardware
support in 8 years in the Linux community. Like I said, his question
was never answer and the issue never resolved as far as we know.

- --
Silver Slimer
Fingerprint: e58428b2633833a3b0c9bb7e40819166642245b7
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

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On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Side note on it... my wife walked in the room when I had this image of yours
open:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Her first question was why there was no "n" in the "kitchn" on the top
(lower layer) printout. I had not even noticed that.

So there is that and the "HowT oMak eBabka" which is just weird.

She looked at both and also noted the "babka" issues with the second one.
But, of course, that one is a lot better.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article
Snit wrote:

On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Agreed it is far from beinga big issue... as I said I have seen similar in
professionally printed books. Still, curious to have it as an issue.

But not nearly as big of an issue as what you showed with the other
print-out.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Side note on it... my wife walked in the room when I had this image of yours
open:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Her first question was why there was no "n" in the "kitchn" on the top
(lower layer) printout. I had not even noticed that.

So there is that and the "HowT oMak eBabka" which is just weird.

She looked at both and also noted the "babka" issues with the second one.
But, of course, that one is a lot better.


I would assume it is because that is the ancient LJ 2100. The damn thing
is nearly 20 years old. Very limited memory and will drop out elements
when I print complex vector drawing to it... It might improve if I swap
out PS driver for the PCL driver.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com