Microsoft won't fix the most frustrating thing about Windows

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2017-02-02 5:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
I couldn't help but find someone with a similar setup as me
having similar troubles:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=880267

Nobody helped him so you can imagine why I would appreciate your
assistance.

You running Ubuntu 8.04 or older??? I'd say your issue is
obsolete.

You'd be surprised how little changes when it comes to hardware
support in 8 years in the Linux community. Like I said, his question
was never answer and the issue never resolved as far as we know.


Back in 8.04 I had issues with some WiFi cards that were resolved in
newer releases...

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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On 2017-02-02 7:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2017-02-02 5:11 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
I couldn't help but find someone with a similar setup as me
having similar troubles:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=880267

Nobody helped him so you can imagine why I would appreciate
your assistance.

You running Ubuntu 8.04 or older??? I'd say your issue is
obsolete.

You'd be surprised how little changes when it comes to hardware
support in 8 years in the Linux community. Like I said, his
question was never answer and the issue never resolved as far as
we know.


Back in 8.04 I had issues with some WiFi cards that were resolved
in newer releases...

And admittedly a lot of work has gone into supporting that since it's
essential for a computer to be useful to be able to get onto a
network. A printer from 2008 is not as essential.


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On 2/2/17, 5:09 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 3:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
Everyone *else* had no problem with this. As you might soon find out, he
tends to overboard with the most simplistic of tasks.

There is a slight variation in the kerning of the italic text. But ask
anyone that routinely have to deal with creating PDFs the process can be
a PITA. Not a fan of Adobe.

Side note on it... my wife walked in the room when I had this image of yours
open:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Her first question was why there was no "n" in the "kitchn" on the top
(lower layer) printout. I had not even noticed that.

So there is that and the "HowT oMak eBabka" which is just weird.

She looked at both and also noted the "babka" issues with the second one.
But, of course, that one is a lot better.

I would assume it is because that is the ancient LJ 2100. The damn thing
is nearly 20 years old. Very limited memory and will drop out elements
when I print complex vector drawing to it... It might improve if I swap
out PS driver for the PCL driver.

Fair enough... but odd how it did much the same when I open the PDF with
ImageMagick.


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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 2:48 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 1:30 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:
On 2017-02-02, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:

It didn't work on either Ubuntu or Korora and as far as I know, CUPS
is installed by default in both.

Now you have friendly web interface in web browser:

http://localhost:631

Check the log and see what the error is.

Also tail /var/log/syslog and /var/log/cups/error_log while trying to
setup printer and see what errors occur realtime...

Again most likely a firewall and|or network configuration issue. Don't
have that model but when my son was still living here had no problem
whatsoever connecting to his CLP-300N.

Oh this is kind of funny. I do own a Samsung color laser, model CLP-315
and I can confirm it works on EVERY Linux distribution I have tried.

See his post about printing an online recipe. Not sure how some folks
manage to encounter such problems?

Marek went to show it ... and then used a different recipe and STILL had
issues (though not as bad). But it is odd why it will not print that one
recipe... does print everything else we have tossed at it (which is not
much).

Did get the association issue resolved.

There seems to be that handful that just cannot mange to get anything to
work. Unfortunately they tend to have an inversely proportional
relationship to willingness to receive help to volume of whining...

Hey, if anyone has a suggestion on how to resolve it I would love to see it.


Don't know I did not have any issue whatsoever as the scanned printouts
I showed as evidence.

With yours, though, you do have the same spacing issues I show in the
conversion to an image by ImageMagick.

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Odd you would have that... or is that one from ImageMagick and the other a
direct print? The top one looks fine.


No ImageMagick at all the top one was to the ol' LJ2100 which seems to
show a kerning issue. It is a samba shared printer, the printer does not
have a NIC. It only appears on the top most title line "How To Make
Babka" in a serif font, the rest looks just fine. It might be do to
using Local Raw Printer driver. The lower one is using the HPLIP PS
driver. No issue there.

For printing to PDF looks just fine to me:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
Well, he might have a small point. In a friendly contest, the
Windows and Unix teams in our org once agreed to pick 25 tasks
to perform using distribution out of the box installs for four
different OS builds. Only one was Windows. The Windows build
was able to complete almost all tasks without installing any
additional software. The Unix builds needed 4-6 programs
installed to do the same thing and they were nice, but overly
complex for the typical dumb user.

Really? Windows doesn't come with any real application. OEMs bundle
trialware but most Linux distos come with a full compliment of
applications preinstalled, preconfigured, and automatically set to
update out-of-the-box. Also for all but for the most specialized
applications have a software repository for users. Windows has only just
recently adopted the concept, but does anyone really get anything from
the Windows Store other than Candy Crush?


Does that condemn Unix? No. It worked fine except for
printing. Printing always seems to suck with Linux for some
reason.

Printing is a mixed bag. Does help to stick with HP or Brother printers.

Ironically, professional printing (typesetting) on computers basically
originated on UNIX:

http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix3/upt/ch45_11.htm

Unix was one of the first operating systems to provide the capability to
drive a typesetter. troff is both a markup language and a tool for
generating typesetter output.

Originally, troff was designed to drive a device called a C/A/T
phototypesetter, and thus it generated a truly frightening collection of
idiosyncratic commands. For a while, there were several version of troff
and troff-related tools, including tools to translate C/A/T output into
something useful, versions of troff that output slightly saner things
than C/A/T, and so forth. It was all very confusing.

. . .

"None of these remarks should be taken as denigrating Ossanna's
accomplishment with TROFF. It has proven a remarkably robust tool, taking
unbelievable abuse from a variety of preprocessors and being forced into
uses that were never conceived of in the original design, all with
considerable grace under fire."

The success of TEX and desktop publishing systems have reduced troff's
relative importance, but this tribute perfectly captures the strengths
that secured troff a place in hacker folklore; indeed, it could be taken
more generally as an indication of those qualities of good programs that,
in the long run, hackers most admire.

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Conscience doth make cowards of us all.
-- Shakespeare

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably with
Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is when
printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower than
Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now with
respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still work
just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a old
very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server. Now
you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized all-in-one
networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.

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You recoil from the crude; you tend naturally toward the exquisite.

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Marek Novotny wrote:
On 2017-02-02, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:

It didn't work on either Ubuntu or Korora and as far as I know, CUPS
is installed by default in both.

Now you have friendly web interface in web browser:

http://localhost:631

Check the log and see what the error is.

Also tail /var/log/syslog and /var/log/cups/error_log while trying to
setup printer and see what errors occur realtime...

Again most likely a firewall and|or network configuration issue. Don't
have that model but when my son was still living here had no problem
whatsoever connecting to his CLP-300N.

Oh this is kind of funny. I do own a Samsung color laser, model CLP-315
and I can confirm it works on EVERY Linux distribution I have tried.

See his post about printing an online recipe. Not sure how some folks
manage to encounter such problems?

There seems to be that handful that just cannot mange to get anything to
work. Unfortunately they tend to have an inversely proportional
relationship to willingness to receive help to volume of whining...

He's a troll.

--
Q: Why did the germ cross the microscope?
A: To get to the other slide.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably with
Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is when
printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower than
Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now with
respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still work
just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a old
very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server. Now
you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable
WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized all-in-one
networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.


Just refrain from insulting the cretins who are full of ****
They don't deserve to be compared to that POS

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Snit wrote:

On 2/2/17, 3:06 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

Snit wrote:
On 2/2/17, 1:19 PM, in article , "Jonathan N.
Little" wrote:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/printing

Works just fine for me... Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

Did you open that in ImageMagick and print from there? It has the same flaws
I showed from there... and, of course, that is not the best tool for opening
a PDF.

No I printed directly from the browser to the printers, that is what you
said you could not do.

OK.

That image is a scan of the first page of both outputs.

One looks good -- the other looks like the ImageMagick converted one. So now
we see the problem is not just with ImageMagick but with printing, too. Do
you know if it was converted to image first?

Even the other on (top layer, lower image) has issues with spacing in the
italicized "babka."

I printed / scanned (300 dpi) / saved to PDF. No such issues:

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/babka.pdf

Now for PDF, I printer to PDF from the browser and here is the resulting PDF:

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/HowToMakeBabka.pdf

Looks okay to me!

Still the issue with the italicized "babka" but not a big issue, esp. if
this was just for home use to make the recipe!


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

slime wrote:

It didn't work on either Ubuntu or Korora and as far as I know, CUPS
is installed by default in both.

Now you have friendly web interface in web browser:

http://localhost:631

Check the log and see what the error is.

Also tail /var/log/syslog and /var/log/cups/error_log while trying to
setup printer and see what errors occur realtime...

Again most likely a firewall and|or network configuration issue. Don't
have that model but when my son was still living here had no problem
whatsoever connecting to his CLP-300N.

Oh this is kind of funny. I do own a Samsung color laser, model CLP-315
and I can confirm it works on EVERY Linux distribution I have tried.

See his post about printing an online recipe. Not sure how some folks
manage to encounter such problems?

There seems to be that handful that just cannot mange to get anything to
work. Unfortunately they tend to have an inversely proportional
relationship to willingness to receive help to volume of whining...

He's a troll.

An extremely dishonest troll.

--
'Actually printing and audio do not "just work" in Linux, It can be a
nightmare.' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

In article
chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Marek Novotny wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

slime wrote:

It didn't work on either Ubuntu or Korora and as far as I know, CUPS
is installed by default in both.

Now you have friendly web interface in web browser:

http://localhost:631

Check the log and see what the error is.

Also tail /var/log/syslog and /var/log/cups/error_log while trying to
setup printer and see what errors occur realtime...

Again most likely a firewall and|or network configuration issue. Don't
have that model but when my son was still living here had no problem
whatsoever connecting to his CLP-300N.

Oh this is kind of funny. I do own a Samsung color laser, model CLP-315
and I can confirm it works on EVERY Linux distribution I have tried.

See his post about printing an online recipe. Not sure how some folks
manage to encounter such problems?

There seems to be that handful that just cannot mange to get anything to
work. Unfortunately they tend to have an inversely proportional
relationship to willingness to receive help to volume of whining...

He's a troll.

An extremely dishonest troll.

--
'Actually printing and audio do not "just work" in Linux, It can be a
nightmare.' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=
wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably with
Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is when
printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower than
Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now with
respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still work
just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a old
very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server. Now
you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable
WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized all-in-one
networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.


Just refrain from insulting the cretins who are full of ****
They don't deserve to be compared to that POS

ok we won't insult the linux disciples whenever possible.

Nathan Hale wrote:

In article
Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=
wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my
case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably
with Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is
when printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower
than Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now
with respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still
work just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a
old very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server.
Now you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable
WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized
all-in-one networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.


Just refrain from insulting the cretins who are full of ****
They don't deserve to be compared to that POS

ok we won't insult the linux disciples whenever possible.

Oh, the dizum coward again. Whenever you think you can't have someone more
stupid, he shows up and proves you wrong

In article
Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?= wrote:

Nathan Hale wrote:

In article
Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=
wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my
case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably
with Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is
when printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower
than Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now
with respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still
work just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a
old very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server.
Now you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable
WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized
all-in-one networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.


Just refrain from insulting the cretins who are full of ****
They don't deserve to be compared to that POS

ok we won't insult the linux disciples whenever possible.

Oh, the dizum coward again. Whenever you think you can't have someone more
stupid, he shows up and proves you wrong

PKB, troll.

In article k
Nathan Hale wrote:

In article
Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=
wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's great if connected directly (though the margins are off) but not
so great if your printer is connected to a router... at least in my case

Now I disagree with that. Network printing works far more reliably with
Linux than Windows. The only issue that I have come up against is when
printing photos to an inkjet. The HPLIP driver is much slower than
Windows driver. No problem with the quality of the output. Now with
respect to drivers I found more problems with Windows than Linux.
Upgrading Windows lost support for some old workhorses which still work
just fine in latest versions of Ubuntu. I am only able to keep a old
very dependable LaserJet 2100 going by hosting on a Ubuntu server. Now
you will have trouble with a new crappy $45 Lexmark disposable
WinPrinter...

I have used CUPS on Linux to print and scan from monster-sized all-in-one
networked printers from HP, Xerox, and Kyocera.

This "Slimer" troll is full of ****.


Just refrain from insulting the cretins who are full of ****
They don't deserve to be compared to that POS

ok we won't insult the linux disciples whenever possible.