How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:34:12 -0000 (UTC), Arlen_Holder wrote:

One quick related question, for example:
Q: Are most iOS/Android mobile devices mono or stereo nowadays?
Q: What are the decibel limits of their tiny tinny speakers?
Q: What are the frequency limits of their tiny tinny speakers?

UPDATE:
o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate tinny
tiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono (if you know more
about that, please advise).

o What this means, if correct, is that we can't just use any old audio as a
ringtone, as it won't sound right and/or it could damage the ringtone tinny
tiny speaker.

o First off, we will need to merge the two channels into a single channel.

o Apparently we may need to run a high pass filter, where the -3dB cutoff
frequency is somewhere between 0 Hz and 300 Hz to 400 Hz.

o Apparently we may need to run a low pass filter with a -3dB cutoff
frequency somewhere pretty low, like around 3000 Hz.

o The kbs doesn't matter anymore, as that was only a space-saving tactic,
where 128kbs is just fine.

o The loudness should be "normalized" with the "dc offset removed".

o You can fade in or out, as desired.

One minor problem is the GUI for TRIM is problematic in Audacity, so what I
generally do is delete and time shift instead of TRIM.

On 08 Nov 2018, Arlen_Holder wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

UPDATE:
o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate
tinny tiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono
(if you know more about that, please advise).

o What this means, if correct, is that we can't just use any old
audio as a ringtone, as it won't sound right and/or it could
damage the ringtone tinny tiny speaker.

o First off, we will need to merge the two channels into a single
channel.

o Apparently we may need to run a high pass filter, where the -3dB
cutoff frequency is somewhere between 0 Hz and 300 Hz to 400 Hz.

o Apparently we may need to run a low pass filter with a -3dB
cutoff frequency somewhere pretty low, like around 3000 Hz.

o The kbs doesn't matter anymore, as that was only a space-saving
tactic, where 128kbs is just fine.

o The loudness should be "normalized" with the "dc offset
removed".

o You can fade in or out, as desired.

One minor problem is the GUI for TRIM is problematic in Audacity,
so what I generally do is delete and time shift instead of TRIM.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's zero for
eight.

Keep up your usual good work.

Arlen_Holder Wrote in message:
UPDATE: o I'm not sure, but apparently most mobile devices have a separate tinnytiny speaker specifically for the ringtone, which is mono (if you know moreabout that, please advise).

I have not noticed a phone with a dedicated ringtone speaker.
I have noted only phones with an earphone speaker and a
loudspeaker, with the latter used for music, aloud calls,
singing and notification.

But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer


See also the application A-Volume

https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android

* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 08:01:05 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

I have not noticed a phone with a dedicated ringtone speaker.
I have noted only phones with an earphone speaker and a
loudspeaker, with the latter used for music, aloud calls,
singing and notification.

Thank you Libor Striz for being purposefully helpful by clarifying, where
it helps to pool our knowledge, since none of us are smartphone engineers.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg

It would be nice to get a definitive answer, where what you're saying is:
o There is a really tiny earphone speaker, and,
o There is the larger "loudspeaker"
o But there is no specific "ringtone speaker".

But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer'

Usenet is a way for us to pool our knowledge interactively, where, in
another thread, it has also been intimated that the "circuitry" is
different for those tasks (e.g., perhaps a different pre-amp for example),
where you seem to concur.

Since an "alarm" and a "ringtone" seem similar, but certainly "voice calls"
are quite different as are "multimedia", I wonder if we can come up with
the minimum number of "speaker circuits" that phones use to direct their
circuitry?

See also the application A-Volume
https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android
* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.

This is a great suggestion to look at what sound apps control!

Here's a quick survey that I found just now by searching...

o Quick Settings, by F-Droid
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.bwx.bequick/

o Volume Control, by Netroken
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=netroken.android.persistfree

o Slider Widget, by hinterhofapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.hinterhofapps.sliderwidget

o Volume Control Widget, by Adam Wolfe Gordon
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ca.xvx.volume

o Precise Volume (+ EQ/Booster), by Phascinate
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.precisevolume

o Volume Lock & Mute, by Dieter Thiess
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.dieterthiess.stfu

o Volume + (Easy Control) Free, by yapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=il.yavji.volumecontrolads

o App Volume Control, by SpyCorp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spycorp.appvolumecontrol

o volume control widget for android, by Apps Prime
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.appsprime.controller.fx

o Volume App Widget, jmjurado23
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.application.volumewidget

o Volume Controller, by Gujarati Infoware
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhbharesh.VolumeControler

o Volume Widget, by WTW Electronics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.william.soundwidget

Running some of those in quick tests, I see these audio sliders exist:
1. Ringer volume
2. Notification volume
3. Media volume
4. Alarm volume
5. Voicecall volume
6. System volume
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg

In message , Libor Striz
writes:
[]
But, there are independent HW audio channels like
Alarm
Multimedia
Voice call
System/Notification*
Ringer


See also the application A-Volume

https://a-volume-widget.en.uptodown.com/android

* The application has 4 or 6 volume sliders, but these 2 seem
interconnected , partially also with the ringer.

I can't see that app. in the store, only on the above page, which only
has a download not an install button (does that mean I'd have to
"sideload" it?). The store does have hundred of other volume controls,
though. (Can't help wondering _why_.)

[Is there any way to get a listing of app.s on the store - such as
volume control ones - that shows parameters, such as size and what
accesses they demand, without going into each app.?]
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:58:17 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I can't see that app. in the store, only on the above page, which only
has a download not an install button (does that mean I'd have to
"sideload" it?). The store does have hundred of other volume controls,
though. (Can't help wondering _why_.)

Hi J. P. Gilliver,
I went through the exact problem, as would anyone who tries to download
that app, that the suggested apps didn't exist on the main repositories.

Whenever I suggest an app, I list three things, to save others that hassle:
1. I list the name of the app (but these are almost never unique)
2. I list the developer of the app (this often is unique)
3. And I list the current URL to the app (which means it exists)

This is a common courtesy honed over decades of being on Usenet, where the
goals, always, is to collaboratively pool our knowledge interactively.

I found that app in question, as I recall, on a web site, but I didn't
trust it, so I didn't download _any_ of the volume-control apps that I
found off the two major sites, Play, and F-Droid. Nor do I recommend others
do so.

Here are the best similar apps I found, untested and in no order yet:

o Volume Lock & Mute, by Dieter Thiess
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.dieterthiess.stfu

o Volume + (Easy Control) Free, by yapps
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=il.yavji.volumecontrolads

o App Volume Control, by SpyCorp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spycorp.appvolumecontrol

o volume control widget for android, by Apps Prime
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.appsprime.controller.fx

o Volume App Widget, jmjurado23
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.application.volumewidget

o Volume Controller, by Gujarati Infoware
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bhbharesh.VolumeControler

o Volume Widget, by WTW Electronics
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.william.soundwidget

o Quick Settings, by F-Droid
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.bwx.bequick/

Here is my output from just that last app in the list above:
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3265064audio01.jpg

Notice that means we need to code our Android apps for these outputs:
1. Ringer = loudspeaker?
2. Notification = loudspeaker?
3. Media = loudspeaker?
4. Alarm = loudspeaker?
5. Voicecall = callspeaker?
6. System = loudspeaker?

[Is there any way to get a listing of app.s on the store - such as
volume control ones - that shows parameters, such as size and what
accesses they demand, without going into each app.?]

I agree it would be nice to have that, as some volume control apps asked
for access to contacts, while others didn't ask for access to anything they
didn't need.

My quick-pick heuristic method of finding decent apps is...
1. I google for "best volume control app" (or something like that)
2. I read those reviews and install those apps
3. If any app asks for too much permission, I ditch it.

Then, after installing, I follow a similar quick test algorithm...
1. I run the app and get an idea for what it does
2. If anything bothers me (e.g., pop up ads), I ditch it
3. I keep only the best of the best after that test

Then, during use, I continue to hone down the app list:
1. I put the similar apps in a folder, from best to worst
2. Each time an app does a good job, it moves up in the list
3. Each time an app does a bad job, it moves down in the list

There is more (much more) to the testing process, but that is a quickie.

For example, there is no known way to move the screenshot folder
to where it belongs, on the external SD card in a dir of your choice.
o Is there an free app that will change settings for /Pictures/Screenshots to the external SD Card?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/pe4pB3oAZ0E

As a workaround to that bug, I'm testing screenshotters as we speak...
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4443440screenshot03.jpg
Where the complete list (with working URLs) is in the related thread.

I practice what I preach because it's what a good Usenet citizen does.

Arlen_Holder Wrote in message:

Hi J. P. Gilliver,I went through the exact problem, as would anyone who tries to download that app, that the suggested apps didn't exist on the main repositories.

I apologize for troubles.

I have downloaded it in past in Google play store, but have not
found it while posting my previous post, so I posted at least
name/webpage.(posting from Android client, where web reviews are
less handy).

It was more or less just illustrative application, I guess there
are dozens of similar ones.


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Miloš Forman


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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:14:16 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

I apologize for troubles.

Hi Libor Striz,

Please don't worry about that, as we appreciate your helpful advice.

It's a minor issue for us to look up apps, so I don't think you need to
apologize. Sometimes, there are lots of apps and other times it matters
greatly which app one uses, so that's why I tried to find the one you
recommended.

When an app disappears from the repository, one always wonders why.

I have downloaded it in past in Google play store, but have not
found it while posting my previous post, so I posted at least
name/webpage.(posting from Android client, where web reviews are
less handy).

No problem for me. I listed a half dozen alternatives. It's always good to
go with a recommended app though, if it's on the repository, as the cost of
freeware is the huge expense in finding and testing to get the best one.

I generally only keep on my system the best single freeware app for any one
purpose, but that takes a lot of testing, so what I do, in practice, after
following the quick tests that I already noted, is I hone their position in
my dozen desktop folders (nobody ever needs more than a dozen, IMHO).

For example, I have about 350 installed programs, all of which fit easily
into about a dozen homescreen task-based folders that almost anyone can
copy effectively, where each folder is hierarchically organized by task:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_maps_01.jpg

Where, over time, I delete the underperforming ones like a big company
sheds underperforming employees!

It was more or less just illustrative application, I guess there
are dozens of similar ones.

Yup. There are many in the repository. Just not that one.
It's always good to get a recommendation from other android users!

Back to the topic, it seems that this is the current status:
Q: Do you need to modify files so they don't damage your speakers?
A: Almost certainly the answer is yes, even today.
A: If not for damage, at least for quality (e.g., merging & normalization)

Q: Is a modern cellphone loudspeaker(s) stereo or mono?
A: Mono; although some appear to have specialized in faking stereo.

Q: Which sounds go to the earspeaker & loudspeaker(s)
1. Ringer = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
2. Alarm = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
3. Notification = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
---
4. Media = loudspeaker(s)
5. System = loudspeaker(s)
6. Phone = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker

It turns out that there are other issues involved sometimes:
a. loudspeaker(s), earspeaker output
b. AUX output
c. Bluetooth output
d. WiFi output ?

As for the ringtone frequencies, I installed freeware frequency analyzers
to help me determine the frequency spectrum of professional ringtones.
o http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7759443audio02.jpg

Thanks for using Usenet as a way to collaboratively improve our knowledge.

On 11/9/2018 6:17 PM, Arlen_Holder wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:14:16 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:

I apologize for troubles.

Hi Libor Striz,

Please don't worry about that, as we appreciate your helpful advice.

It's a minor issue for us to look up apps, so I don't think you need to
apologize. Sometimes, there are lots of apps and other times it matters
greatly which app one uses, so that's why I tried to find the one you
recommended.

When an app disappears from the repository, one always wonders why.

I have downloaded it in past in Google play store, but have not
found it while posting my previous post, so I posted at least
name/webpage.(posting from Android client, where web reviews are
less handy).

No problem for me. I listed a half dozen alternatives. It's always good to
go with a recommended app though, if it's on the repository, as the cost of
freeware is the huge expense in finding and testing to get the best one.

I generally only keep on my system the best single freeware app for any one
purpose, but that takes a lot of testing, so what I do, in practice, after
following the quick tests that I already noted, is I hone their position in
my dozen desktop folders (nobody ever needs more than a dozen, IMHO).

For example, I have about 350 installed programs, all of which fit easily
into about a dozen homescreen task-based folders that almost anyone can
copy effectively, where each folder is hierarchically organized by task:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_maps_01.jpg

Where, over time, I delete the underperforming ones like a big company
sheds underperforming employees!

It was more or less just illustrative application, I guess there
are dozens of similar ones.

Yup. There are many in the repository. Just not that one.
It's always good to get a recommendation from other android users!

Back to the topic, it seems that this is the current status:
Q: Do you need to modify files so they don't damage your speakers?
A: Almost certainly the answer is yes, even today.
A: If not for damage, at least for quality (e.g., merging & normalization)

Q: Is a modern cellphone loudspeaker(s) stereo or mono?
A: Mono; although some appear to have specialized in faking stereo.

Q: Which sounds go to the earspeaker & loudspeaker(s)
1. Ringer = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
2. Alarm = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
3. Notification = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker
---
4. Media = loudspeaker(s)
5. System = loudspeaker(s)
6. Phone = loudspeaker(s), earspeaker

It turns out that there are other issues involved sometimes:
a. loudspeaker(s), earspeaker output
b. AUX output
c. Bluetooth output
d. WiFi output ?

As for the ringtone frequencies, I installed freeware frequency analyzers
to help me determine the frequency spectrum of professional ringtones.
o http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7759443audio02.jpg

Thanks for using Usenet as a way to collaboratively improve our knowledge.


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