Convert laptop to Windows 7

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:24:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.
You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?
Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C: drive
before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done by
rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to
be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.
I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of that.


Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not the
OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you, it can
get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the obfuscations and
convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors (I do presume). None
of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows XP, or the
preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

I bet your eyes lit up, when Java posted that.

I'm expecting experimental results soon...

Paul

You may be waiting awhile, since I'm having a hard time leaving my XP
computer. :-) At the rate things are going over here, I expect that day
will only come when XP becomes useless to me, due to some browser
limitations on various websites. That, plus the fact that I don't have a
Windows 7 desktop computer, but only a Windows XP desktop computer, which I
naturally prefer using over the laptop.



I won't comment on your choice of Windows versions, just on that last
phrase, "which I naturally prefer using over the laptop."

You say "naturally," and I agree with you. But if we are not in the
minority yet, we are well on our way to getting there. More and more
people these days prefer laptops to desktops.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:12:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C: drive
before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done by
rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to
be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.

I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of that.


Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not the
OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you, it can
get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the obfuscations and
convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors (I do presume).
None of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows XP, or the
preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

The split is probably 70/30 or 60/40, so if working on the OS drive was
full of smoke and mirrors, I would have noticed back in, what, 2007?
When 7 was a new OS for me? So no, I wouldn't say there's any problem
working on the OS drive. I never noticed anything annoying and I'm not
sure why you're running into problems.

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those annoyances,
best. :-)


Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:12:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C:
drive before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done
by rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to
be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.

I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of
that.

Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not the
OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you, it can
get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the obfuscations and
convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors (I do presume).
None of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows XP, or the
preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

The split is probably 70/30 or 60/40, so if working on the OS drive was
full of smoke and mirrors, I would have noticed back in, what, 2007?
When 7 was a new OS for me? So no, I wouldn't say there's any problem
working on the OS drive. I never noticed anything annoying and I'm not
sure why you're running into problems.

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those
annoyances, best. :-)


Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

It's not a non issue to some of us. Like if I can't use Windows Explorer
without some incessant obfuscating shackles getting in my way, I mean.

Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:24:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.
You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?
Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C:
drive before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done
by rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to
be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.
I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of
that.

Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not the
OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you, it can
get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the obfuscations and
convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors (I do presume).
None of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows XP, or the
preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

I bet your eyes lit up, when Java posted that.

I'm expecting experimental results soon...

Paul

You may be waiting awhile, since I'm having a hard time leaving my XP
computer. :-) At the rate things are going over here, I expect that day
will only come when XP becomes useless to me, due to some browser
limitations on various websites. That, plus the fact that I don't have a
Windows 7 desktop computer, but only a Windows XP desktop computer,
which I naturally prefer using over the laptop.



I won't comment on your choice of Windows versions, just on that last
phrase, "which I naturally prefer using over the laptop."

You say "naturally," and I agree with you. But if we are not in the
minority yet, we are well on our way to getting there. More and more
people these days prefer laptops to desktops.

OK. I'm already in the minority, so no worries there. :-)

On 07/02/2019 18:09, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those annoyances,
best. :-)

Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

It's not a sledge-hammer to a non-issue - who exactly owns the files
on a computer is important in many different ways, because it determines
who is really in control. In Vista+ by default, the Administrator
really is no longer in control of the computer, but is at about the same
level as first line telephone support personnel, and can't *do* anything
much to sort out any problem.

For example, quite often I find I need to go into the MMC Computer
Management console, which like previous versions of Windows I do by
rt-clicking My Conputer. But in *every* version of Windows, the
default layout of that console is sh*te - the window is so small that
it looks as though it was designed for keyhole surgery, and the layout
of the columns in many of the components is daft, particularly since XP
with the introduction of the 'Advanced' tab whose sole purpose seems to
be to waste the majority of the available screen real estate. However,
in versions up and including XP all you had to do was run just once ...
mmc /a
.... which allows you to change the layout to something more sensible and
useful, and then you could save the result. Thereafter, every time you
launched Computer Management by rt-clicking My Computer, it would come
up with the layout you saved, and you could launch it, use it, and close
it without hassle. Now in Windows 7, by default the relevant files in
the Windows directory are owned by un-'Trusted Installer' or some
similar entity, and you can't save your changes until you've taken
ownership of the Windows directory heirarchy, and given Administrators
Full Control, but you have to do that as described in my previous post,
because you must *add* these permissions to the existing permissions,
whereas the GUI method *replaces* existing permissions. Even after
that, you're not out of the wood, because on 64-bit systems there are
*4* different version of the management console within the Windows
heirarchy, and you have to replace them all to be sure that your changes
will 'take'!

All that, just to get a sensible layout in Computer Management! And
there are so many other examples I could give - getting rid of clutter
such as Library, Favorites, etc, in Explorer, getting a decent Start
Menu layout, etc, etc. Every new version of Windows has a more
cluttered and less professional GUI than the last, and the first thing I
have to do is spend ages finding out how to remove or at least disable
it all so that I can use the PC in the professional manner that I got
used to with W9x/NT4/W2000. NT4/W2000 were the most professional GUIs
that Windows ever had, and how I wish we could return to them!

On 2/6/19 5:56 PM, Bill in Co wrote:

[snip]

This is exactly the crap that keeps me off of Windows 7, for the most part.
That, and the fact it takes twice as long to boot up this bloated OS.

I remember something about Win 7 being a less bloated version of Vista.
Of course they didn't saw it was still more bloated than XP.

[snip]


--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever
writing anything to equal it." -Oscar Wilde

On 2/6/19 11:24 PM, Bill in Co wrote:

[snip]

You may be waiting awhile, since I'm having a hard time leaving my XP
computer. :-) At the rate things are going over here, I expect that day
will only come when XP becomes useless to me, due to some browser
limitations on various websites. That, plus the fact that I don't have a
Windows 7 desktop computer, but only a Windows XP desktop computer, which I
naturally prefer using over the laptop.

When Win 7 came out, I had just STARTED using XP. 2000 was better then,
until too many programs and websites became incompatible.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever
writing anything to equal it." -Oscar Wilde

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 13:32:01 -0600
Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 2/6/19 11:24 PM, Bill in Co wrote:

[snip]

You may be waiting awhile, since I'm having a hard time leaving my
XP computer. :-) At the rate things are going over here, I expect
that day will only come when XP becomes useless to me, due to some
browser limitations on various websites. That, plus the fact that
I don't have a Windows 7 desktop computer, but only a Windows XP
desktop computer, which I naturally prefer using over the laptop.

When Win 7 came out, I had just STARTED using XP. 2000 was better
then, until too many programs and websites became incompatible.


Microsoft started out good, but gradually ruined their operating system.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 19:04:05 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 07/02/2019 18:09, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those annoyances,
best. :-)

Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

It's not a sledge-hammer to a non-issue - who exactly owns the files
on a computer is important in many different ways, because it determines
who is really in control. In Vista+ by default, the Administrator
really is no longer in control of the computer, but is at about the same
level as first line telephone support personnel, and can't *do* anything
much to sort out any problem.

For example, quite often I find I need to go into the MMC Computer
Management console, which like previous versions of Windows I do by
rt-clicking My Conputer. But in *every* version of Windows, the
default layout of that console is sh*te - the window is so small that
it looks as though it was designed for keyhole surgery, and the layout
of the columns in many of the components is daft, particularly since XP
with the introduction of the 'Advanced' tab whose sole purpose seems to
be to waste the majority of the available screen real estate. However,
in versions up and including XP all you had to do was run just once ...
mmc /a
... which allows you to change the layout to something more sensible and
useful, and then you could save the result. Thereafter, every time you
launched Computer Management by rt-clicking My Computer, it would come
up with the layout you saved, and you could launch it, use it, and close
it without hassle. Now in Windows 7, by default the relevant files in
the Windows directory are owned by un-'Trusted Installer' or some
similar entity, and you can't save your changes until you've taken
ownership of the Windows directory heirarchy, and given Administrators
Full Control, but you have to do that as described in my previous post,
because you must *add* these permissions to the existing permissions,
whereas the GUI method *replaces* existing permissions. Even after
that, you're not out of the wood, because on 64-bit systems there are
*4* different version of the management console within the Windows
heirarchy, and you have to replace them all to be sure that your changes
will 'take'!

All that, just to get a sensible layout in Computer Management! And
there are so many other examples I could give - getting rid of clutter
such as Library, Favorites, etc, in Explorer, getting a decent Start
Menu layout, etc, etc. Every new version of Windows has a more
cluttered and less professional GUI than the last, and the first thing I
have to do is spend ages finding out how to remove or at least disable
it all so that I can use the PC in the professional manner that I got
used to with W9x/NT4/W2000. NT4/W2000 were the most professional GUIs
that Windows ever had, and how I wish we could return to them!

Using your example above, I simply expand Computer Management to full
screen. If that still doesn't give you enough screen real estate, you
can run any of the modules in Computer Management by itself to remove
the mmc wrapper, although I very rarely bother. Full screen works fine
for me. I've never had a need or desire to customize that particular
display any further, certainly not by messing with file permissions.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 11:18:49 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:12:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C:
drive before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done
by rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to
be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.

I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of
that.

Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not the
OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you, it can
get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the obfuscations and
convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors (I do presume).
None of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows XP, or the
preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

The split is probably 70/30 or 60/40, so if working on the OS drive was
full of smoke and mirrors, I would have noticed back in, what, 2007?
When 7 was a new OS for me? So no, I wouldn't say there's any problem
working on the OS drive. I never noticed anything annoying and I'm not
sure why you're running into problems.

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those
annoyances, best. :-)


Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

It's not a non issue to some of us. Like if I can't use Windows Explorer
without some incessant obfuscating shackles getting in my way, I mean.

I still don't know what you're talking about, but you're probably
getting tired of trying to explain it.

I agree with you, though, at least I think you agree, that XP was more
user friendly than 7, and 7 was more user friendly than 8, and so on.
Windows has been getting worse with each major version for quite some
time now.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 11:18:49 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:15:03 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:12:33 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:58:23 +0000, Java Jive
wrote:

On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my
Windows 7 time in Win Explorer and I never run into those
problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C:
drive before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be
done by rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied'
message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has
to be done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application
Data folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The
rest I ignore.

I've never run into any scenario where I'd be tempted to do all of
that.

Yeah, but too, you said you spend more time on data drives, and not
the OS drives. That might be part of that, because I'll tell you,
it can get to be a real annoyance having to deal with all the
obfuscations and convolutions added by Windows 7 and its successors
(I do presume). None of this "impediment nonsense" exists in Windows
XP, or the preceding OS versions (unless I missed it).

The split is probably 70/30 or 60/40, so if working on the OS drive
was full of smoke and mirrors, I would have noticed back in, what,
2007? When 7 was a new OS for me? So no, I wouldn't say there's any
problem working on the OS drive. I never noticed anything annoying
and I'm not sure why you're running into problems.

Well, I think Java Jive illustrated the essence of some of those
annoyances, best. :-)


Well, no, not at all, unless I missed something. What he illustrated was
taking a sledgehammer approach to a non-issue. Taking ownership of the
entire C: drive is not what I'd call a good idea.

It's not a non issue to some of us. Like if I can't use Windows
Explorer without some incessant obfuscating shackles getting in my way,
I mean.

I still don't know what you're talking about, but you're probably
getting tired of trying to explain it.

I agree with you, though, at least I think you agree, that XP was more
user friendly than 7, and 7 was more user friendly than 8, and so on.
Windows has been getting worse with each major version for quite some
time now.

I think Java Jive pretty much covered it. If none of that registered, I'm
probably too tired to explain it. :-)

Java Jive wrote:
On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7 time
in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of junction
points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C: drive
before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done by
rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to be
done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application Data
folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The rest I
ignore.

The first step does indeed remove the Access Denied issues. But I was
noticing something else in Windows Explorer. I see two "My Documents"
folders listed, one just above the other. The second one has the shortcut
arrow, and the first one doesn't. Am I to assume the one with the shortcut
arrow is simply a pointer to the other one, and could be deleted? I have no
idea why it is even in there.

In article ,
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink says...

Java Jive wrote:
On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7 time
in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of junction
points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C: drive
before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done by
rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to be
done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application Data
folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The rest I
ignore.

The first step does indeed remove the Access Denied issues. But I was
noticing something else in Windows Explorer. I see two "My Documents"
folders listed, one just above the other. The second one has the shortcut
arrow, and the first one doesn't. Am I to assume the one with the shortcut
arrow is simply a pointer to the other one, and could be deleted? I have no
idea why it is even in there.

It's there in everyone's system. Does no harm so leave it alone given no
idea of consequences of deleting it. Mind you, I get Access Denied
trying to do anything with it so ... ?

pjp wrote:
In article ,
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink says...

Java Jive wrote:
On 06/02/2019 21:48, Bill in Co wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I've seen you mention that before, but I spend much of my Windows 7
time in Win Explorer and I never run into those problems.

You never run into "Access Denied" and the smoke and mirrors of
junction points?

Note that you'd be well advised to take a back-up image of the C: drive
before doing this ...

What I do is take ownership of the entire C: drive, this can be done by
rt-clcking it, choosing Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit,
Administrators, Replace on subs, OK.

This on its own may be enought to remove the 'Access denied' message.

Then I give Administrators Full Control over every file. This has to be
done from a command prompt launched as administrator:
icacls C:\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

Then I delete the daftest junction points that lead to circular
references, for example there's one inside every user's Application Data
folder heirarchy that points back up to Application Data. The rest I
ignore.

The first step does indeed remove the Access Denied issues. But I was
noticing something else in Windows Explorer. I see two "My Documents"
folders listed, one just above the other. The second one has the
shortcut arrow, and the first one doesn't. Am I to assume the one with
the shortcut arrow is simply a pointer to the other one, and could be
deleted? I have no idea why it is even in there.

It's there in everyone's system. Does no harm so leave it alone given no
idea of consequences of deleting it. Mind you, I get Access Denied
trying to do anything with it so ... ?

If you follow Java Jive's "fixes", you no longer will get "Access Denied".
:-)
Sometimes I need to copy files into a directory such as My Documents, so
when you have two, it can be a bit confusing as to which one to use. Just
"little" stuff like that (aka obfuscation). And IIRC, before I ran the Java
Jive fix, I, too, got an "Access Denied" on one of them (I think the
shortcut one). As to why that should be so, only God knows.

On 2/7/19 1:43 PM, Johnny wrote:

[snip]

Microsoft started out good, but gradually ruined their operating system.

It looks that way to me. I'd be surprised if they release a GOOD Windows 11.

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Mark Lloyd
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"Heresy is only another word for freedom of thought." -- Graham Greene,
1981