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WE and Trash?
Hi All,
I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T |
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Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item just above the blue highlighted one. "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop" https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg If you click the top of the "State" column, the "configured" items will float to the top for you, making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling through the list. Paul |
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On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item just above the blue highlighted one. "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop" https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg If you click the top of the "State" column, the "configured" items will float to the top for you, making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling through the list. Â*Â* Paul The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix? |
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On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote: T wrote: Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item just above the blue highlighted one. "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop" https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg If you click the top of the "State" column, the "configured" items will float to the top for you, making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling through the list. Paul The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix? It does actually remove it, but it is causing some bizarre behavior :-) It removed the trash can from the upper left hand corner of the desktop, as well as from the very bottom portion of a File Explorer window (lower left corner). https://i.postimg.cc/yYSyXDNF/trash-is-gone-win7.gif If I click on an item on the left hand pane of a File Explorer window, it causes another File Explorer window to open. The Trash Can icon at the bottom of the window has been replaced by another icon from the left-hand column. So the results are "totally not cool" :-/ And not a keeper in terms of useful GPEDIT policies. Paul |
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On 3/5/19 11:49 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T Follow up. It figured it out. My notes: Trash.Missing.icon.txt Windows 7: Trash icon missing: From Windows Explorer: Reference: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2148...ws-7-or-vista/ -- HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\MyComputer\NameSpace -- New Key -- {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} -- exit regedit -- press "F5" to refresh Windows Explorer From the desktop: Reference: https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg -- gpedit.msc -- Local Computer Policy -- User Configuration -- Administrative Templates -- Desktop -- "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop" -- disable it /Trash.Missing.icon.txt |
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T wrote:
On 3/6/19 12:08 AM, Paul wrote: T wrote: Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T You can see the GPEDIT.msc rule here. It's the item just above the blue highlighted one. "Remove Recycle Bin icon from desktop" https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...oup_policy.jpg If you click the top of the "State" column, the "configured" items will float to the top for you, making them easy to see without a lot of scrolling through the list. Paul The Trash icon is on the desktop, just on in Windows Explorer's Left column. Are you sure this is the right fix? They've got some other ones. https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...tion-pane.html (Useless) https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...text-menu.html This might be closer to doing the same as the GPEDIT. There's actually some GUI tick boxes to play with. I wonder if the "click opens new window" will happen with this one too ? https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorial...t-display.html Paul |
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In message , T writes:
Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. [] You have an application for exploring widows? Is that legal? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf once described by Eccentrica Golumbits as the best bang since the big one ... (first series, fit the second) |
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On 3/6/19 2:05 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. [] You have an application for exploring widows? Is that legal? Chuckle! One of my common typos. You know it took me three times reading your comment for "Windows" to turn back into "Widows". "What is he getting at? Oh crap! Did it again!" |
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T wrote:
Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Huh? -T Widows? :-) But who knows, there may be some in here. :-) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: Hi All, I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. [] You have an application for exploring widows? Is that legal? Not any more. Do try to keep up with the times, boy. This is the new Age of Enlightenment, if you haven't heard already. I could expound on that but I'll save you the grief. |
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I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder instead of Trash. For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop icons". If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin, Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are you using? If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry). Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing. Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane. Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is enabled. |
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On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder instead of Trash. For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop icons". If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin, Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are you using? If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry). Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing. Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane. Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is enabled. Did you miss the part where I stated? And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is of a trash can. Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe, not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer. Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue. |
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On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder instead of Trash. For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop icons". If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin, Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are you using? If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry). Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing. Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane. Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is enabled. Did you miss the part where I stated? And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is of a trash can. Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe, not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer. Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue. The only subkey I have under the Namespace key is named DelegateFolders. There is no {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey defined. That means the default value is used when a key is missing to effect different behavior. The author of the article has tons of namespaces added under Explorer\MyComputer\Namespace. I have none and yet I do see the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane of Windows Explorer. From the article, the author never did set a data item and its value under the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey. The "(Default)" data item is shown because it's the default, and the same when the key is missing. The author then claims deleting this subkey would revert back to not showing the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane, yet I do NOT have that key even defined and I *do* get the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane. Something is whack with your Windows Explorer in that instance of Windows that is reversing how that subkey is interpreted. One possibility want hinted by Paul when he mentioned using the policy editor. Behaviors can be reversed by using policies: instead of a key effecting a behavior, the policy reverses it, and policies override namespaces. All policies are registry entries. Even if you don't have gpedit.msc on your Windows host, like it's the Home edition, you can still set policies by using regedit.exe or reg.exe, and the same for any tweaker tools. By the way, the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} is also the same keyname used in: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} under which is the ShellFolder subkey which has the data value named PinToNameSpaceTree (but not assigned a value). Apparently the "Show all folders" goes under several shell folder objects to set create this subkey or the data item under it (to effect a value other than the default when the data item is not defined). ShellFolders are registry defined objects pointing at folders, like the Recycle Bin. For example, you can enter shell:ConnectionsFolder to see the connectoids defined in that folder. To see a list of system (registry-defined) folder references (that you can use with shell:specialfoldername), look under: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions Each subkey has a data item named Name. So, for example, the: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions\{B7534046-3ECB-4C18-BE4E-64CD4CB7D6AC} has a parsining name of {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}, the keyname your article mentioned, along with a Name of RecycleBinFolder. So, you could use shell:StartUp to open the special folder for the Startup folder (well, to set focus in WE on that folder). There's a whole bunch of these special folders defined in the registry, and the PinToNameSpaceTree data item under the ShellFolders seems to decide if it appears in WE's navigation pane. For example, PinToNameSpaceTree in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{F02C1A0D-BE21-4350-88B0-7367FC96EF3C}\ShellFolder decides if the Network shell folder appears in WE's tree. Seems something got reversed in the registry, so PinToNameSpaceTree acts reverse of its intended purpose. You can even add your own shell folders to WE's navigation pane. For example, after installing Microsoft's OneDrive, a shell folder for it appeared in WE's navigation pane. The data item's name has changed in Windows 10 where it is named System.IsPinnedtoNameSpaceTree. See: https://superuser.com/questions/1107...special-fodler The "Show all folders" likely has a preset list of shell folders that it will create (with blank value) or delete the PinToNameSpaceTree data item, but you could add your own. Did you ever check if the Recycle Bin appeared when you had the "Show all folders" disabled? If that option merely toggles the state of that data item (creates if missing or deletes if present) then perhaps the set of shell folders affected by that setting had a mix of states for the PinToNameSpaceTree data items. |
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On 3/6/19 9:05 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: On 3/6/19 11:08 AM, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: I am staring at a w7-sp1-pro Widows Explorer with no Trash box on the left pane. And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. Unclear if you are asking about desktop icons or the left-panel objects in Windows Explorer. I'm assuming you meant the Recycle Bin folder instead of Trash. For desktop icons, are *any* desktop icons showing, like shortcuts you added to the desktop? If there are no desktop icons, right-click on the desktop, select View from the context menu, and enable "Show desktop icons". If you see some desktop icons but not the standard ones, like those you mentioned, right-click on the desktop, pick Personalize from the context menu, click "Change desktop icons" in the left pane, and review which standard desktop icons (Computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin, Control Panel) are selected. There is also the option "Allow themes to change desktop icons". Is it enabled? If so, Which desktop theme are you using? If the problem is in Windows Explorer, is there a left panel (aka navigation pane) showing folders and other objects, or is that pane missing? There are various command-line switches for what view you get for Windows Explorer. I have not played with those for a long time, but recall the My Computer view that had no left pane was due to a command-line switch (wheter in a command line or in a registry entry). Another way to turn off/on the navigation pane is via the Organize toolbar drop-down - Layout. Those would effect whether the navigation pane is shown or not, not if some items within it are missing. Perhaps WE got configured to not show all items in the navigation pane. Go to the View menu - Folder Options and check if "Show all folders" is enabled. Did you miss the part where I stated? And, "Folders and Search Options", "show all folders" is checked. I always call the recycle Bin the Trash bin. The icon is of a trash can. Windows Explorer is the file manager also knows as explorer.exe, not to be confused with the browser called Internet Explorer. Did you see my follow up? I wrote how to fix the issue. The only subkey I have under the Namespace key is named DelegateFolders. There is no {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey defined. That means the default value is used when a key is missing to effect different behavior. The author of the article has tons of namespaces added under Explorer\MyComputer\Namespace. I have none and yet I do see the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane of Windows Explorer. From the article, the author never did set a data item and its value under the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} subkey. The "(Default)" data item is shown because it's the default, and the same when the key is missing. The author then claims deleting this subkey would revert back to not showing the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane, yet I do NOT have that key even defined and I *do* get the Recycle Bin in the navigation pane. Something is whack with your Windows Explorer in that instance of Windows that is reversing how that subkey is interpreted. One possibility want hinted by Paul when he mentioned using the policy editor. Behaviors can be reversed by using policies: instead of a key effecting a behavior, the policy reverses it, and policies override namespaces. All policies are registry entries. Even if you don't have gpedit.msc on your Windows host, like it's the Home edition, you can still set policies by using regedit.exe or reg.exe, and the same for any tweaker tools. By the way, the {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} is also the same keyname used in: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} under which is the ShellFolder subkey which has the data value named PinToNameSpaceTree (but not assigned a value). Apparently the "Show all folders" goes under several shell folder objects to set create this subkey or the data item under it (to effect a value other than the default when the data item is not defined). ShellFolders are registry defined objects pointing at folders, like the Recycle Bin. For example, you can enter shell:ConnectionsFolder to see the connectoids defined in that folder. To see a list of system (registry-defined) folder references (that you can use with shell:specialfoldername), look under: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions Each subkey has a data item named Name. So, for example, the: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Explorer\FolderDescriptions\{B7534046-3ECB-4C18-BE4E-64CD4CB7D6AC} has a parsining name of {645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E}, the keyname your article mentioned, along with a Name of RecycleBinFolder. So, you could use shell:StartUp to open the special folder for the Startup folder (well, to set focus in WE on that folder). There's a whole bunch of these special folders defined in the registry, and the PinToNameSpaceTree data item under the ShellFolders seems to decide if it appears in WE's navigation pane. For example, PinToNameSpaceTree in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{F02C1A0D-BE21-4350-88B0-7367FC96EF3C}\ShellFolder decides if the Network shell folder appears in WE's tree. Seems something got reversed in the registry, so PinToNameSpaceTree acts reverse of its intended purpose. You can even add your own shell folders to WE's navigation pane. For example, after installing Microsoft's OneDrive, a shell folder for it appeared in WE's navigation pane. The data item's name has changed in Windows 10 where it is named System.IsPinnedtoNameSpaceTree. See: https://superuser.com/questions/1107...special-fodler The "Show all folders" likely has a preset list of shell folders that it will create (with blank value) or delete the PinToNameSpaceTree data item, but you could add your own. Did you ever check if the Recycle Bin appeared when you had the "Show all folders" disabled? If that option merely toggles the state of that data item (creates if missing or deletes if present) then perhaps the set of shell folders affected by that setting had a mix of states for the PinToNameSpaceTree data items. You put a lot of working into that. Thank you! I never I unclicked then reclicked Show all Folders to see if that wold reset it. I never checked what unlicked would do. I see this issue enough in Windows 7 that I though it was time I came up with a fix. |
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