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  #46  
Old October 2nd 19, 10:13 PM posted to comp.mobile.ipad,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

On 2019-10-02 19:53:08 +0000, Panthera Tigris Altaica said:

On 2019-10-02 15:26, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 15:01:04 -0400, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:

No, it's not. The iPhone SE sitting next to this computer does not have,
and never did have, an AppleID. It works. Just not with iCloud or any of
the other things that Apple ties to it (Books, iTunes/Music/Movies/TV,
etc.) I don't need any of that on a work phone.


Hi Panthera Tigris Altaica,

There is an extremely simple test of imaginary belief systems
o Name just one

That is, imaginary belief systems are supported by exactly 0 facts.

I don't make **** up - so let's simply ask you to prove what you said.
o Since I'm a firm believer that imaginary belief systems have no proof

As everyone knows on this ng, when nospam says anything, it's worthless
because his answers are always just guesses - hence his response was no
more credible than the result of a brain dead statistical coin toss would
be.

You have to doublecheck EVERYTHING he says - which makes whatever he says,
utterly worthless as a result of his utter lack of adult credibility.

However, I don't have the experience with you to make any claims about your
credibility - so - as with all posters I don't know much about - I will
assume your post is purposefully helpful - and purposefully correct.

Hence, I will only need to ask you the most basic adult question:
o Tell me how to do this for my iPads

The iPad in my hand, for example, is this one:
o The 2017 9.7-inch 128GB iPad with Wi-Fi is $300 at Costco
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/2kUo5789jSk/vmk_Irh8AQAJ

Since I never update the iOS diarrhea unless I'm forced ot
(Apple never sufficiently tests the iOS diarrhea in the real world),
the iOS version is ... (let me check) ...
o iOS 11.2.6 (15D100)

o And, noteworthy, Apple also REQUIRES an advertiser ID.

No, they don't. No such code is on any of my devices.


Bear in mind, on Android... (and on Windows & Linux)...
o I already have a working privacy based solution

I just want a similar privacy-based working solution for iOS!

Again, I have plenty of iOS devices where I'd love to test it out.
o Just point me to a WORKING solution that does what I do on Android
1. No need for an AppleID (e.g., to obtain apps from the iTunes App Store)
2. App IPAs can easily be shared to anyone on the planet (like APKs are)
3. No advertiser ID whatsoever (as Android is sans a Google Account).
etc.

Remember, I already have all this (and more) privacy on Android.
o If the iPad can even approach Android privacy - I'd be ecstatic.

Just tell me how to remove the Apple ID from all my iPads & still download
from the official app store (and share with anyone) - just like we can
already easily do on Android (and without an advertiser ID ever even
existing).

Without jailbreaking.

In particular no
such code is on any of the apps we have set up for use on our own
devices and sideloaded without having to access the Apple Store. We know
that there is no such code as we built the apps ourselves. Nor are there
any such codes in any apps we download from the Apple Store to load onto
our company devices.


I have plenty of iOS devices.

Just tell me how to remove the Apple ID from all my iPads & still download
anything I want from the official app store (and share it with anyone I
want, free apps of course), just like we can easily do on Android (and
without an advertiser ID ever even existing).

Without jailbreaking.

Where the Apple ID is literally embedded into EVERY APP you download
o Even free apps!

Doesn't affect those who never download anything from the Apple Store
because the device doesn't have an AppleID.


Bear in mind that you can download ANYTHING on the Google Play store
without having a Google Play account (e.g., you use a different interface
to the Google Play store, such as the spoofing available with Aurora).

Even though you just proved me right (I don't make **** up so you should
always understand that my credibility is stellar on iOS), I always say
we're all more powerful together, than we are alone.

So if you know how I can do, on iOS, what I already do, on Android
o I would LOVE to test it out.

Juist tell w do I REMOMVE the AppleID from my iPads
o And still download apps from the official iTunes App Store
o And, share those free apps with anyone I want to share them with
o All without the advertiser ID ever even existing on Android

We can and do use a
_company_ AppleID to get apps for use on company gear. If there is a
code embedded in the apps, then they have a problem as everyone will
have the same code. Which, as no such code is in any of the apps
available to the company devices, is even less of a problem.


There is an extremely simple test of imaginary belief systems
o Name just one

That is, imaginary belief systems are supported by exactly 0 facts.


You're telling me that the iPhone SE sitting next to this computer has
an AppleID when I _know_ it doesn't _as I was the one who set it up?_
Really? No need to read further, you have no clue about what you're
posting. It is _trivial_ to set up iOS devices to not use AppleIDs, and
easier yet to set up macOS devices to not use AppleIDs! I have done
both multiple times! Anyone who tries to tell me that it is not
possible to use iOS or macOS devices without an AppleID is, simply,
either lying or insane. Pick one.


Asswipe Holder is both, plus an ignorant troll. Just ignore the
brainless f'wit.


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  #47  
Old October 2nd 19, 10:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,comp.mobile.ipad
Arlen .g. Holder
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Default Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 14:02:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

I expect Microsoft to try everything in order to get users to use
Microsoft accounts. I therefore take active measures against them.


Apple appears to do similar, but is better at letting you know you have
the option of not signing in with an Apple account.


This is a summary, not specifically for Ken Springer, but for everyone
o Where, together, we are more aware of factual truth & logical assessment
o Than we are alone.

To that end, here's my factual perspective on privacy/functionality of:
o Accounts & portability of apps
o Advertiser ID of users

1. The point of this thread, was to learn more about what Microsoft is
doing with the enforcement of an account, which, we all can easily
ascertain based on the facts, is kind of sort of what Apple and Google have
been doing for quite a long time on iOS and Android respectively.

ACCOUNTS & PORTABILITY:
On Windows, historically, the "official" app store has NOT been the typical
location for "most free apps", whereas, on the Apple/Android mobile
devices, the situation is a bit more focused on the "official" app store,
where, only on iOS is the account ID permanently associated with the
typical free app that typical users download & use, and, only on iOS, is
the downloaded app NOT portable across almost any device and almost any
user on this planet with a similar device.

ADVERTISER ID:
Likewise, on Windows, the "advertiser id" has, historically, not existed,
although I don't keep up with how Windows 10 has been doing with the
advertiser ID of late (where I welcome factual clarifications), whereas on
Android, the advertiser id clearly does not exist if the account doesn't
exist, while, in stark contrast, the advertiser id clearly exists on iOS
and can not be removed sans jailbreaking.

SUMMARY on ACCOUNTS:
a. On Windows, an account is generally not needed for "most" free apps.
b. On Android, an account is generally not needed for "most" free apps.
c. On iOS, an account is decidedly required for "most" free apps.

SUMMARY on PORTABILLITY:
a. On Windows, free apps are portable to all users on all similar devices.
b. On Android, free apps are portable to all users on all similar devices.
c. On iOS, free apps are not portable to all users even if on similar devices.

If these facts & assessments are wrong, or need tweaking, then please add
value as Usenet is a potluck where we all share our factual and reasonable
assessments - so that we know more - together - than we do - alone.
  #48  
Old October 2nd 19, 10:31 PM posted to comp.mobile.ipad,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:13:08 +1300, Your Name wrote:

Asswipe Holder is both, plus an ignorant troll. Just ignore the
brainless f'wit.


Why do those with imaginary belief systems spew vitriol in response to fact?
o I don't know why.

Maybe facts fly in the face of what marketing fed them to believe?

I think it's like what happens when a fifth grader is told about Santa Claus.
o Some handle facts like adults are supposed to handle facts.
o Some retain childish impulses, instantly lashing out with hateful vitriol.

SUMMARY on ACCOUNTS:
a. On Windows, an account is generally not needed for "most" free apps.
b. On Android, an account is generally not needed for "most" free apps.
c. On iOS, an account is decidedly required for "most" free apps.

SUMMARY on PORTABILLITY:
a. On Windows, free apps are portable to all users on all similar devices.
b. On Android, free apps are portable to all users on all similar devices.
c. On iOS, free apps are not portable to all users even if on similar
devices.

If these facts & assessments are wrong, or need tweaking, then please add
value as Usenet is a potluck where we all share our factual and reasonable
assessments - so that we know more - together - than we do - alone.

--
NOTE: The original thread was about an account being needed, for Windows,
which is what we should return to fleshing out (as Android/iOS are already
well known that an account is NOT needed for Android, and yet, an account
is REQUIRED for iOS) to download & use free apps from the main app store.
  #49  
Old October 2nd 19, 11:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:24:41 +0100, "wasbit"
wrote:

"Arlen G. Holder" wrote in message
...
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now
prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on Windows
10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.


Although his article is dated 1st October 2019 he doesn't say when the
install took place.

Approx 10 days ago I wiped Windows 10 Pro from my VM (because of stuck
updates), downloaded the creation tool & installed the latest 1903.

I got the option to install as a local account, so that is what I did.
Can't remember the exact wording, something like 'Create Local Account'. The
option was at the bottom left of the 'Create Account' page.

I'm not on that machine at the moment but I'll see if I can grab some
screenshots later.


The last time I did it I was presented with the option of signing in
for a MS account but, after telling the computer I didn't have an
internet connection (I feel bad about lying to my computer) it let me
have the option of creating a local account.

--


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There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.
  #50  
Old October 2nd 19, 11:44 PM posted to comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Yes, AG Holder is one. I have him with 5 different headers. He's blocked on
all of them.
  #51  
Old October 2nd 19, 11:55 PM posted to comp.mobile.ipad,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

On 02/10/2019 22:13, Your Name wrote:

Asswipe Holder is both, plus an ignorant troll. Just ignore the
brainless f'wit.


You're wrong here. Asswipe Holder is a clever ******* who can make all
idiots here to respond to him. Look at the posts generated by him!!

all sensible people are just ignoring him but he is a known nym-shifter
so you might respond to his posts inadvertently.



  #52  
Old October 3rd 19, 12:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,comp.mobile.ipad
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Default Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

On 10/2/19 3:20 PM, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 14:02:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:


1. The point of this thread, was to learn more about what Microsoft is
doing with the enforcement of an account


No, it isn't.

The point of this thread is in the subject line of the thread, forced to
create a Microsoft account in order to install Windows 10.

Numerous respondents have shown your original subject to be false. Even
the article you referenced proved the original subject and title of the
article to be false.

All of the privacy, iOS, etc., if you want to talk about that, you
should have started a new thread rather than dirty up the original subject.

My opinion.

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and it's gone!"
  #53  
Old October 3rd 19, 12:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

On 2019-10-02 5:41 p.m., Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:24:41 +0100, "wasbit"
wrote:

"Arlen G. Holder" wrote in message
...
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now
prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on Windows
10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.


Although his article is dated 1st October 2019 he doesn't say when the
install took place.

Approx 10 days ago I wiped Windows 10 Pro from my VM (because of stuck
updates), downloaded the creation tool & installed the latest 1903.

I got the option to install as a local account, so that is what I did.
Can't remember the exact wording, something like 'Create Local Account'. The
option was at the bottom left of the 'Create Account' page.

I'm not on that machine at the moment but I'll see if I can grab some
screenshots later.


The last time I did it I was presented with the option of signing in
for a MS account but, after telling the computer I didn't have an
internet connection (I feel bad about lying to my computer) it let me
have the option of creating a local account.


You lied to your Computer!!!!! boy are you in deep doo-doo now! :-)

Rene

  #54  
Old October 3rd 19, 12:33 AM posted to comp.mobile.ipad,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:55:00 -0400, "G. B" wrote:

On 02/10/2019 22:13, Your Name wrote:

Asswipe Holder is both, plus an ignorant troll. Just ignore the
brainless f'wit.


You're wrong here. Asswipe Holder is a clever ******* who can make all
idiots here to respond to him. Look at the posts generated by him!!

all sensible people are just ignoring him but he is a known nym-shifter
so you might respond to his posts inadvertently.




Nym-shifters don't bother me. Yes, I might respond to their posts
inadvertently, but not many of their posts. Even if I don't
immediately recognize who they are, I quickly recognize them as trolls
and killfile the new name too.
  #55  
Old October 3rd 19, 12:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Panthera Tigris Altaica[_2_]
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On 2019-10-02 15:56, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 12:06 PM, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-10-02 11:09, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free.Â* It would be hugely destructive for Lenovo
to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.


And this would stop the typical computer vendor... why?


Assumption...Â* Buy "typical computer vendor", you are referring to the
manufacturer, such as Lenovo, HP, etc., and not a 3rd party shop.

If an owner brings their computer into a shop for upgrade, they are
likely to want the same functionality in the upgraded system as in the
old system.Â* They aren't going to like paying extra to add that
functionality.



Yeah. However, over the years I've seen vendors (HP. Samsung. Sony.
Others.) who think that gouging the customer is something they should
always try to do. And then never understand when the customer declines
to buy more from them.
  #56  
Old October 3rd 19, 01:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-10-02 16:25, Ant wrote:
Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-10-02 14:52, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2019 14:28:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

A datapoint is that Microsoft seems to be following on Apple's lead
o Where it's an absolute requirement to have an AppleID
o And, noteworthy, Apple also REQUIRES an advertiser ID.

both false.

Hi nospam,

You apologists are always apologizing for the flaws in the iOS diarrhea.

How are you going to set up & use iOS sans an Apple ID, nospam?


I'm not nospam, but it's trivial. Merely don't enter the AppleID at
first startup.


(which, concomitantly, creates Apple's own advertiser ID)
And, how do you REMOVE your account from EVERY iOS app, nospam?


If you don't have an AppleID in the first place, then the alleged
advertiser ID also doesn't exist.


How do you download and upgrade your non-default apps?


I don't have any which aren't sideloaded corporate apps.
  #57  
Old October 3rd 19, 01:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android
Panthera Tigris Altaica[_2_]
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On 2019-10-02 16:44, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 15:05:05 -0400, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:

Yes, you can. Without jailbreaking. I have right in front of me an
iPhone SE which does not have an AppleID and never did. I'm sorry, but
reality trumps your paranoia.


Hi Panthera,

Adults can do things young children haven't learned how to do yet
a. Adults can comprehend basic facts


Here's a fact: I have in front of me an iPhone SE which does not have an
AppleID on it.
  #58  
Old October 3rd 19, 01:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android
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On 2019-10-02 16:10, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 15:53:08 -0400, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:

You're telling me that the iPhone SE sitting next to this computer has
an AppleID when I _know_ it doesn't _as I was the one who set it up?_
Really? No need to read further, you have no clue about what you're
posting. It is _trivial_ to set up iOS devices to not use AppleIDs, and
easier yet to set up macOS devices to not use AppleIDs! I have done both
multiple times! Anyone who tries to tell me that it is not possible to
use iOS or macOS devices without an AppleID is, simply, either lying or
insane. Pick one.


Hi Panthera,

Rest assured I instantly understood the silly childish games you played.


Rest assured that you have demonstrated that you know very little about
iOS and macOS and Windows.

Among the things about which you know nothing are the simple facts that
users do not need to have an AppleID to use iOS or macOS devices, and
users do not need to have a Microsoft ID to install Windows. I,
personally, have set up numerous iOS, macOS, and Windows 10 devices,
including the iPhone SE in front of me and the laptop upon which I am
typing (iOS 13 and Win10 this year April/May version, respectively)
without having to use AppleIDs or Microsoft IDs. Anyone who insists, in
the face of my actual, personal, experience, on stating that AppleIDs or
Microsoft IDs are required is simply either a liar or isn't playing with
a full deck.
  #59  
Old October 3rd 19, 04:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 12:51 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:


snip

Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks for my Lenovo L540 Thinkpad when I
installed Ubuntu 16.04 ;-)


LOLÂ* But do all the Fn keys perform the same functions under Ubuntu as
they did with Windows?Â*


Yep!

I remember a Toshiba laptop I worked on that had one Fn key that was
supposed to turn wireless on and off. Didn't work until I got the
Toshiba Fn key drivers.

Nope, just worked. In fact my damn keyboard is on where Lenovo decided a
CapsLock *light* was unnecessary, luckily there's a panel indicator for
that. Have installed on Lenovo laptop and the touch screen worked OOTB.
Again "Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks"



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Take care,

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  #60  
Old October 3rd 19, 05:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen .g. Holder
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:04:09 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

The point of this thread is in the subject line of the thread, forced to
create a Microsoft account in order to install Windows 10.

Numerous respondents have shown your original subject to be false. Even
the article you referenced proved the original subject and title of the
article to be false.


Hi Ken,

I will remove non-Windows related responses from this thread.
o The original subject, as you noted, stands to be the topic.

Together, we are more knowledgeable than we are alone.
o You are correct in the original title & subject
o Both of which are completely verbatim from the Oct 1st article.

I'm not sure yet - what the verdict is - but you seem to be quite sure
which is great - so I simply ask YOU to summarize the results for us.

For example, did Microsoft even _change_ how it presented the challenges?
o I don't know as I haven't done a Windows 10 install in more than a month.

Is this a "more correct" summary of the topic in the subject line:

For a brand new up-to-date Windows 10 Home fresh installations...
1. Is the article wrong that the account can no longer be avoided?
2. Did Microsoft _change_ the challenges (i.e., did they hide some?)
3. If so, can someone confirm the steps to _avoid_ account creation?

With the answer to those key questions, the thread can likely conclude.
o Please advise.

All of the privacy, iOS, etc., if you want to talk about that, you
should have started a new thread rather than dirty up the original subject.


I use all the common consumer platforms - where - on all - I strive for
privacy, including Microsoft Windows.

Since privacy is near & dear to me, earlier today I opened a separate
thread on just the mobile phone newsgroups, on this privacy topic.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/7X8-AxE6_1k

Hence I will REMOVE the Win10 ng if I respond to that topic in this thread.
o And I won't respond to known trolls such as Ken Blake & Shemp
(Neither of whom has ever added any technical value to any thread, ever.)

Since people like Panthera are so used to just making everything up, I
don't expect to learn anything from them about privacy that I don't already
know (since I have all four platforms), but you never know if there's
someone ELSE on those newsgroups who knows more than I do about privacy on
those platforms (almost never - but it can happen - and does - at times).

Luckily, on Windows, there's almost always people (e.g., Paul) who know so
much more than I do that I learn from almost every one of their posts!

To sumamrize, those who install Windows 10 Home next, please let us know
how to avoid falling into the trap of being forced to create a Microsoft
Account, and, also, why it takes a month, reputedly, for MS to delete it if
you don't want it afterward.

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