Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

In message wrote:
Yes, AG Holder is one. I have him with 5 different headers. He's blocked on
all of them.

He's got in excess of 40 nyms he's used in these groups. He keeps
changing them because his tiny tiny ego is so fragile he can't stand the
idea that people might not read his diarrhea. His entire life revolves
around posting inane drivel and then whacking off when people reply to
him.

Keep that image in your mind before you respond to his posts.

--
'People need vampires,' she [Granny] said. 'They helps 'em remember what
stakes and garlic are for.' --Carpe Jugulum

"Panthera Tigris Altaica" wrote in message
...
On 2019-10-02 05:24, wasbit wrote:
"Arlen G. Holder" wrote in message
...
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

During the first-time setup process¡Xeither after you install Windows 10
yourself or while setting up a new PC with Windows 10¡Xyou¡¦re now
prompted
to ¡§Sign in with Microsoft¡¨ and there are no alternate options.

On Windows 10 Professional, there¡¦s reportedly a ¡§Domain Join
Instead¡¨
option that will create a local user account. But that¡¦s only on
Windows 10
Professional. Windows 10 Home doesn¡¦t have this option at all.

Although his article is dated 1st October 2019 he doesn't say when the
install took place.

Approx 10 days ago I wiped Windows 10 Pro from my VM (because of stuck
updates), downloaded the creation tool & installed the latest 1903.

I got the option to install as a local account, so that is what I did.
Can't remember the exact wording, something like 'Create Local Account'.
The option was at the bottom left of the 'Create Account' page.

The installer knows when it's in a VM and some things are a lot more
obvious in a VM than on bare metal.


Accreditation please

--
Regards
wasbit

On 10/2/19 9:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 12:51 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

snip

Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks for my Lenovo L540 Thinkpad when I
installed Ubuntu 16.04 ;-)

LOLÂ* But do all the Fn keys perform the same functions under Ubuntu as
they did with Windows?

Yep!

I remember a Toshiba laptop I worked on that had one Fn key that was
supposed to turn wireless on and off. Didn't work until I got the
Toshiba Fn key drivers.
Nope, just worked. In fact my damn keyboard is on where Lenovo decided a
CapsLock *light* was unnecessary, luckily there's a panel indicator for
that. Have installed on Lenovo laptop and the touch screen worked OOTB.
Again "Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks"

What we really need is a laptop like the Toshiba, where the Fn keys did
not work correctly until the Toshiba driver keys were installed. Then
install Ubuntu and see if the Fn keys perform as intended.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 10/2/19 10:02 PM, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:04:09 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

snip
Hi, Arlen,

For example, did Microsoft even _change_ how it presented the challenges?

I really couldn't care less about this question, and all the others
brought up. Just the original subject as you created.

My experience installing Pro indicates the subject is in error. Others,
who have installed Home, indicate the same.

The rest of the thread, as far as the subject is concerned, is fluff for
the subject. And, although interesting, not needed.

If you want to discuss the fluff, then start a new thread, and I may or
may not respond.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 9:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 12:51 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

snip

Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks for my Lenovo L540 Thinkpad when I
installed Ubuntu 16.04 ;-)

LOLÂ* But do all the Fn keys perform the same functions under Ubuntu as
they did with Windows?

Yep!

I remember a Toshiba laptop I worked on that had one Fn key that was
supposed to turn wireless on and off.Â* Didn't work until I got the
Toshiba Fn key drivers.
Nope, just worked. In fact my damn keyboard is on where Lenovo decided a
CapsLock *light* was unnecessary, luckily there's a panel indicator for
that. Have installed on Lenovo laptop and the touch screen worked OOTB.
Again "Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks"

What we really need is a laptop like the Toshiba, where the Fn keys did
not work correctly until the Toshiba driver keys were installed.Â* Then
install Ubuntu and see if the Fn keys perform as intended.



I have installed Ubuntu on 2 Satellites, no problem Ken. Everything worked.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 10/3/19 7:25 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 9:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 12:51 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

snip

Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks for my Lenovo L540 Thinkpad when I
installed Ubuntu 16.04 ;-)

LOLÂ* But do all the Fn keys perform the same functions under Ubuntu as
they did with Windows?

Yep!

I remember a Toshiba laptop I worked on that had one Fn key that was
supposed to turn wireless on and off.Â* Didn't work until I got the
Toshiba Fn key drivers.
Nope, just worked. In fact my damn keyboard is on where Lenovo decided a
CapsLock *light* was unnecessary, luckily there's a panel indicator for
that. Have installed on Lenovo laptop and the touch screen worked OOTB.
Again "Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks"

What we really need is a laptop like the Toshiba, where the Fn keys did
not work correctly until the Toshiba driver keys were installed.Â* Then
install Ubuntu and see if the Fn keys perform as intended.



I have installed Ubuntu on 2 Satellites, no problem Ken. Everything worked.

I'm not saying it hasn't work for the times you've done it. Just
saying, that with my experience, a Windows fresh install did not leave
the system with Fn keys that functioned as labeled. I only discovered
the problem on the Toshiba when I couldn't get the wireless to turn on
and off with the appropriate Fn keys.

So, Toshiba did something different with that laptop. Exactly what, I
don't know.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:02:02 +0100, wasbit wrote:

Accreditation please

Hi wasbit,

Be careful with Panthera, as I was unfamiliar with Panthera until this
thread, where he instantly proved that he's a bull****ter.

He may or may not have a cite for what he said that you are responding
to... time will tell. But once someone is a bull****ter - his credibility
is ****.

For sure, on the other stuff (privacy) - he tried to bull**** us - where
the one thing I come down hard on in Usenet - are the bull****ters who just
make up everything (and hence are not credible such that you have to check
every damn thing they say because you can't trust them - like nospam or
Diesel or Snit, etc.).

--
In deference to Ken, I moved all the smartphone etuff to the mobile gropus.

Ken Springer wrote:

I'm not saying it hasn't work for the times you've done it.Â* Just
saying, that with my experience, a Windows fresh install did not leave
the system with Fn keys that functioned as labeled.

Okay I have reread this several times and not sure you meant what you
wrote: "did not leave the system with Fn keys that functioned as
labeled" Did yo wish to add "did not" in there?

I only discovered the problem on the Toshiba when I couldn't get the wireless to turn on and off with the appropriate Fn keys.
All I am saying is I have installed Ubuntu on countless brands and
models and almost all worked OOTB. A while ago older Dells used an addon
module i8k that not only added Fn key support but also fine control of
system fans and temperature monitoring.


So, Toshiba did something different with that laptop.Â* Exactly what, I
don't know.

Well to check what is going on use rfkill command...

~$ rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: yes
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: no

Wireless enabled. Now Fn+F5 to disabled:

~$ rfkill list
0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
Soft blocked: yes
Hard blocked: no
2: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: yes
Hard blocked: no

Note the 'Yes'

Now other thing could have been a play, one is a physical switch
somewhere on the chassis you where unaware of. More than once I have
debugged mysterious non-working wifi to a user accidentally hitting one
of theses switches. My Latitude had a distinct slide switch, but some
HPs had rather obscured little unmarked button on the bezel or side.

Another is sometimes Network-Manager goes AWOL. Just run command
sudo systemctl restart network-manager

solves the issue.

Windows WiFi is not immune to this either but requires reboot to clear.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 03:41:22 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

I really couldn't care less about this question, and all the others
brought up. Just the original subject as you created.

My experience installing Pro indicates the subject is in error. Others,
who have installed Home, indicate the same.

We have to be careful, Ken, that a _lot_ of people bull**** us on Usenet.

If "Paul" or oh, say, "wasbit", said it, for example, I'd believe it; but
if, oh, say, nospam or this Panthera guy said it, it's not credible.

The article says "confirmed", but maybe they got it wrong.
Time will tell.

The rest of the thread, as far as the subject is concerned, is fluff for
the subject. And, although interesting, not needed.

Yeah, you're right - it was my mistake to bring in the mobile groups.
Mea culpa.

I apologize. (They tried to bull**** us besides, which necessitated the
classic "name just one" challenge, which, I see, wasbit provided to
Panthera on his claims recently, where he asked for "accreditation").

If you want to discuss the fluff, then start a new thread, and I may or
may not respond.

I _did_ start a new thread - on the mobile groups.

I doubt I'll learn anything though, as, well, on the mobile issue, there's
nothing that bull****ters can tell us - but here - on Windows, there _are_
some people (e.g., Paul is great) who know a lot and who post purposefully
helpfully.

If Microsoft did change things, it behooves us to learn what's possible,
and how, so I'll keep an eye on this thread, but I don't have more to
contribute yet by way of facts other than these (copycat?) cites...

September 30, 2019
Report: Microsoft makes it difficult to create local accounts in Windows 10
https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/30/report-microsoft-makes-it-difficult-to-create-local-accounts-in-windows-10/

October 2, 2019
Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation
https://www.onlyinfotech.com/2019/10/02/windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/

October 1 2019
Windows 10 is pretty much forcing users towards Microsoft accounts rather than local ones
https://betanews.com/2019/10/02/windows-10-local-account-hidden/

And, for background reference ...

LIFEWI updated 9/29/2019
o The Difference Between Local and Microsoft Accounts in Windows
https://www.lifewire.com/local-vs-microsoft-accounts-in-windows-3507003

At this stage, I'm not sure what's the truth ... time will tell.

On 10/2/19 10:09 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free.Â* It would be hugely destructive for Lenovo
to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.
I didn't say they would necessarily charge the CC or bank account, only
that you would have the ABILITY to. This is often part of a "free" account.

--
83 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"A fool speaks because he has to say something, but a wise man speaks
because he has something to say." -- Confucius

On 10/2/19 12:54 PM, Arlen .g. Holder wrote:

[snip]

The solution is simple:
o Never store anything you care about in any default Microsoft folder.

For a long time, I've used directories with relevant names instead of
those Microsoft "My*" things.

--
83 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"A fool speaks because he has to say something, but a wise man speaks
because he has something to say." -- Confucius

On 10/2/19 1:06 PM, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-10-02 11:09, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/2/19 8:52 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/2/19 7:35 AM, Roger Blake wrote:

[snip]

It would not surprise me if at some point having a Microsoft account
for Windows 10 becomes a requirement. (At least for the home edition.)

And likely associated with a credit card or bank account, so they can
take any money they decide to.

I suspect they will be free.Â* It would be hugely destructive for
Lenovo to now charge for the drivers to run a computer.


And this would stop the typical computer vendor... why?

I said what I said. It is very common for people to hear something else.
I did NOT say they would charge for drivers.

--
83 days until the winter celebration (Wed, Dec 25, 2019 12:00:00 AM for
1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"A fool speaks because he has to say something, but a wise man speaks
because he has something to say." -- Confucius

On 10/3/19 8:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

I'm not saying it hasn't work for the times you've done it.Â* Just
saying, that with my experience, a Windows fresh install did not leave
the system with Fn keys that functioned as labeled.

Okay I have reread this several times and not sure you meant what you
wrote: "did not leave the system with Fn keys that functioned as
labeled" Did yo wish to add "did not" in there?

I did. In the case of this one machine, the Fn key, I think it was F7
key, was labeled with the common cutesy antenna with sonar waves. LOL
The Toshiba instructions were clear, pressing this key turned the
wireless on and off.

After installing Windows, the key did nothing to turn the wireless on
and off. This is the last time I'm going to say that! All it took to
solve the problem were the drivers from the Toshiba website.

snip

All I am saying is I have installed Ubuntu on countless brands and
models and almost all worked OOTB.

"Almost all"... So, they didn't all work OOTB, did they!

snip

Now other thing could have been a play, one is a physical switch
somewhere on the chassis you where unaware of.

I have 2 old Vista era HP Entertainment laptops with this switch.

snip

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.6
Firefox 69.0.1
Thunderbird 60.9
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/3/19 8:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

I'm not saying it hasn't work for the times you've done it.Â* Just
saying, that with my experience, a Windows fresh install did not leave
the system with Fn keys that functioned as labeled.

Okay I have reread this several times and not sure you meant what you
wrote: "did not leave the system with Fn keys that functioned as
labeled" Did yo wish to add "did not" in there?

I did.Â* In the case of this one machine, the Fn key, I think it was F7
key, was labeled with the common cutesy antenna with sonar waves.Â* LOL
The Toshiba instructions were clear, pressing this key turned the
wireless on and off.

After installing Windows, the key did nothing to turn the wireless on
and off.Â* This is the last time I'm going to say that!Â* All it took to
solve the problem were the drivers from the Toshiba website.

Okay, I was originally making the point with Linux no "driver disks"
were required, it just worked OOTB. I thought you were disputing that...


snip

All I am saying is I have installed Ubuntu on countless brands and
models and almost all worked OOTB.

"Almost all"...Â* So, they didn't all work OOTB, did they!

snip

Cuz you snipped the relevant part, *older* Dell, we are talking about 12
years ago. Linux used to have significant issues with wifi chipset
support, but that was years ago. Now a days nearly everything just works
OOTB, better than Windows which often has and requires those "driver
disks".

Years ago before the library switched to Linux, the server a Dell
PowerEdge raid went south. I had to rebuild from scratch but was
hampered installing Win2003 server because setup required Perc 5i driver
for setup.

No problem to download driver from Dell, but Windows setup required the
driver be on a floppy, a friggen FLOPPY.

1) I had to find a floppy to use, then 2) has to find a computer with a
working floppy drive drive to put the dang driver on.

Luckily I has a old Gateway in storage with a floppy drive. I had
debugged the server earlier with a live Linux session on thumbdrive. The
live session had no issue with the raid controller. Just worked.

So back to my comment on Windows requiring "driver disks". It's a
Windows-thing. "Didn't need no stinkin' driver disks" with Ubuntu.


Now other thing could have been a play, one is a physical switch
somewhere on the chassis you where unaware of.

I have 2 old Vista era HP Entertainment laptops with this switch.

snip



--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:11:14 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

For a long time, I've used directories with relevant names instead
of those Microsoft "My*" things.

On Win10? We don't seem to have such.