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  #61  
Old November 5th 19, 10:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics
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On 11/5/2019 2:39 AM, Lucifer wrote:
On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:53:31 -0800 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

INN servers, particularly Individual.NET ( 12$/Year ),
are the best way to update text-only newsgroups.

Binary servers ( Usenet-News.NET, BlockNews.NET )
are far cheaper then Individual.NET,
because 5 $ lasts a lifetime, and they don't censor you.


What do you mean when you put the $ after the number
instead of where it should be?


Apparently Rolf means that $12 a year and being censored is far superior
to one time fee of $5 and no censorship. And obviously the true meaning
of that is Rolf just scored some really good **** and has locked himself
im mom's basement again till it's gone.



When it comes to posting, only a binary server will do.

Binary servers have no "xRef:" lines,
and Article Numbers are often useless there.

Also, newsgroups aren't always updated immediately;
sometimes there's a long lag, despite the fact that a peer
( e.g. Individual.NET ) always gets your posts immediately.

My custom-built newsreader, Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM,
keeps track of recently used message IDs, not Article Numbers;
so switching servers is painless, no need to re-download newsgroups.

My score file looks like this: Jeff-Relf.Me/Nyms.HTM

Thunderbird is a fork of Firefox;,
so it's _ extremely configurable to someone like me
who's comfortable writing CSS ( to alter the user interface,
webpages, and emails ) and JavaScript extensions.

For me, it's nothing to pop into The Inspector and alter ****.

By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.


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  #62  
Old November 5th 19, 04:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/4/2019 5:24 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:53:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/4/2019 11:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/3/2019 7:42 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Sorry about the off-topic question, but I don't know where else to ask this.

I'm been trying Thunderbird 68.2.1 as my newsreader, rather than Agent,
which I used to use. I like some things about Thunderbird better than
Agent and some less, so I haven't yet decided which to stick with. But I
have a Thunderbird question:

A cross-posted message is showing up in each folder I open that it's
been cross-posted to. Is it possible to have it appear only once? If so,
what should I change to make that happen.

Thunderbird newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Mozilla NNTP server: news.mozilla.org, port 119

OK, I just subscribed to it. My memory of a problem was wrong.

I'm curious, did you subscribe to it on news.individual.net or on
news.mozilla.org? Are the two groups mirrored?



news.mozilla.org. As far as I know, news.individual.net doesn't carry it.


OK, thanks. I see that Newshosting and AstraWeb both carry such a group but
I have no idea if it's the same group that's on the mozilla server.




By the way, not only have I gotten no answers to either of the two
questions I posted there, I have seen only a handful of messages on
other subjects there since I subscribed to it several days ago. I also
subscribed to the FireFox forum there and have seen almost no messages
there either. They both seem useless.

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  #63  
Old November 5th 19, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Char Jackson wrote:
On 4 Nov 2019 22:54:48 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


[...]

So an online newsreader only records 'has been read' status and an
offline newsreader records both 'has been retrieved' status and 'has
been read' status.


You're right, but I had it wrong. The .newsrc file does indeed indicate
read status, as you've been saying, and Agent uses a second group-specific
database to keep everything else that it needs in order to function as an
offline reader.


Thanks for the confirmation. It has been fun. Case closed.

[...]
  #64  
Old November 5th 19, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

In sci.physics Lucifer wrote:
On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:53:31 -0800 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:

INN servers, particularly Individual.NET ( 12$/Year ),
are the best way to update text-only newsgroups.

Binary servers ( Usenet-News.NET, BlockNews.NET )
are far cheaper then Individual.NET,
because 5 $ lasts a lifetime, and they don't censor you.


What do you mean when you put the $ after the number
instead of where it should be?


Exactly what you think it means, i.e. he's a brain damaged idiot.


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  #65  
Old November 5th 19, 05:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/5/2019 2:55 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:06:07 -0500, Neil wrote:

On 11/4/2019 7:56 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:36:03 -0500, Neil wrote:

On 11/4/2019 4:22 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

To the user, the decision to use crosspost management and the decision to
use multiple servers should be independent of one another.

It's easy to understand why cross-post management could be problematic
if multiple servers are used. The xref message numbering could be
irrelevant because the numbering is generated by the server. Different
servers -- different numbering.

Yes, and that's why a newsreader wouldn't/shouldn't use article numbers for
the task. They should use something else that doesn't change, regardless of
which server sourced the article. In my ancient copy of Agent, the choices
are "Subject, Author, Date, Lines" or "Message ID". Either of those two
choices should be pretty safe, no matter which server was involved.

Any of those individual choices have even more problems than xref
numbering. The most reliable alternative would be to combine all of
those elements into one message ID. Even then, the programming gets
pretty complex where multiple servers are involved.


I think you're confused. We're talking about crosspost management, and now
specifically crosspost management across multiple servers. The xref header,
being server specific, clearly won't work. Message IDs are unique to the
article and constant across servers, so that will work. Agent's other
option, a combination of "Subject, Author, Date, Lines" is also fairly
safe, although that can be abused if someone is determined. Other
newsreaders may have even more options, but I'd bet that MIDs are always
one of the options.

A couple of things went awry. My misunderstanding of the Agent options
is due to the the way I read your first comment. It sounded like one
could choose an individual element from that list as the identifier. My
comment about combining those elements into an identifier is apparently
what Agent does (based on your comment, above), which would work
reliably, but I shouldn't have called it the "message ID".

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  #66  
Old November 5th 19, 05:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 2019-11-04 2:53 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
INN servers, particularly Individual.NET ( 12$/Year ),
are the best way to update text-only newsgroups.

Binary servers ( Usenet-News.NET, BlockNews.NET )
are far cheaper then Individual.NET,
because 5 $ lasts a lifetime, and they don't censor you.

When it comes to posting, only a binary server will do.

Binary servers have no "xRef:" lines,
and Article Numbers are often useless there.

Also, newsgroups aren't always updated immediately;
sometimes there's a long lag, despite the fact that a peer
( e.g. Individual.NET ) always gets your posts immediately.

My custom-built newsreader, Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM,
keeps track of recently used message IDs, not Article Numbers;
so switching servers is painless, no need to re-download newsgroups.

My score file looks like this: Jeff-Relf.Me/Nyms.HTM

Thunderbird is a fork of Firefox;,
so it's _ extremely configurable to someone like me
who's comfortable writing CSS ( to alter the user interface,
webpages, and emails ) and JavaScript extensions.

For me, it's nothing to pop into The Inspector and alter ****.

By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear
  #67  
Old November 5th 19, 06:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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[snip]

and email is all webmail these days



That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.


I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.

[snip]

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1 day).

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"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish
thing." -- Anatole France
  #68  
Old November 5th 19, 06:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 11/4/19 10:36 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snp]

Agreed, but even the text-only folks have been migrating to the free NSPs
such as Eternal-September and AEIOU (sp?)


https://news.aioe.org/
It's been awhile since I used it, but it should be completely free.

, and from what I hear, the free
providers are flaky enough that people are configuring both so they'll have
a fallback when the primary goes down.


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1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish
thing." -- Anatole France
  #69  
Old November 5th 19, 06:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear


I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

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Old November 5th 19, 07:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E. R.[_2_]
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On 05/11/2019 18.16, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days



That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.


I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.

[snip]


I know people that went from a client such a outlook or thunderbird to
gmail on web and do not want back. Nothing to configure. They only use
firefox for everything, just one icon to know.


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Carlos E.R.
  #71  
Old November 5th 19, 07:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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In sci.physics NY wrote:
"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear


I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right

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  #72  
Old November 5th 19, 07:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_7_]
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On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days



That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.


I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).



Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an e-mail
client is an option with it.



It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.



Depends on the individual. I think there are three reasons:

1. unwilling to try anything else, as you say.

2. Not knowing they have another choice.

3. Preferring webmail.

What percentage of people fall into each category I don't know, but if I
had to guess, I would guess the greatest number fall into number 2.



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  #73  
Old November 5th 19, 07:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear


I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

  #74  
Old November 5th 19, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E. R.[_2_]
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On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.


I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).



Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an e-mail
client is an option with it.


I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.
Nothing to setup, nothing remains (well, I'm not sure, but anyway).

Ah, once or twice that other computer was running Linux. They didn't
even notice :-p

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.



Depends on the individual. I think there are three reasons:

1. unwilling to try anything else, as you say.

2. Not knowing they have another choice.

3. Preferring webmail.

What percentage of people fall into each category I don't know, but if I
had to guess, I would guess the greatest number fall into number 2.


All of those, IMHO.

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  #75  
Old November 5th 19, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_7_]
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On 11/5/2019 11:05 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 18.16, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.


I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.

[snip]


I know people that went from a client such a outlook or thunderbird to
gmail on web and do not want back. Nothing to configure. They only use
firefox for everything, just one icon to know.



Yes, I know such people too. They are of the type who prefer webmail.


--
Ken
 




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