FIOS or win10 changes.

On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:46:55 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

nospam wrote:

Chris wrote:

If you explained what FIOS was

fibre optic service, providing high speed internet, phone and/or tv.

If you count 3Mbps as fast?

If he has FIOS and he's seeing 3Mbps down, he should open a trouble ticket.
He's getting about 1/30th of what I'd expect.

On 13/11/2019 18:46, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/13/2019 11:27 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-11-13 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:
micky wrote:
I finally got FIOS today, and by coincidence, or not, there have been
several windows 10 changes just afterwards.

If you explained what FIOS was then it might be possible to ascertain
whether it has affected your issues or not. Probably not, given the
seemingly random and wide variety of issues.


I had to google it also, It is Verizons stupid abbreviation for Fiber
Optics System.


No, it's "Fiber Optics Service." You call it a stupid abbreviation; I
don't; I think it's fine, and it's well-known.

It isn't "well-known". I wouldn't have asked if it was.


Posters who use obscure abbreviations should include the full name at
least once.

Agree. I also could have googled it, but using acronyms without
explanation is always annoying in all contexts. There very few which
never need explaining e.g. DNA, BBC, CNN.


"Obscure abbreviation"? It's not at all obscure to me, nor do I think
it's obscure to most internet users in the US.
^^^^^^^^^^

There's your problem. This is an international forum don't assume
everyone knows what you know.

Chris wrote:
On 13/11/2019 18:46, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/13/2019 11:27 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-11-13 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:
micky wrote:
I finally got FIOS today, and by coincidence, or not, there have been
several windows 10 changes just afterwards.

If you explained what FIOS was then it might be possible to ascertain
whether it has affected your issues or not. Probably not, given the
seemingly random and wide variety of issues.

I had to google it also, It is Verizons stupid abbreviation for Fiber
Optics System.

No, it's "Fiber Optics Service." You call it a stupid abbreviation; I
don't; I think it's fine, and it's well-known.

It isn't "well-known". I wouldn't have asked if it was.

Posters who use obscure abbreviations should include the full name at
least once.

Agree. I also could have googled it, but using acronyms without
explanation is always annoying in all contexts. There very few which
never need explaining e.g. DNA, BBC, CNN.

"Obscure abbreviation"? It's not at all obscure to me, nor do I think
it's obscure to most internet users in the US.

There's your problem. This is an international forum don't assume
everyone knows what you know.

Exactly! For me (NL/EU/AU) 'FIOS' didn't ring a bell (until micky -
implicitly - explained what it was in another thread of his).

And that's while I've used Fibre/Fiber Optics since several decades
and have had many discussions on Fibre/Fiber Internet for years on end.

Wikipedia shows that 'FIOS' is indeed a US-thing.

'Fios'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios

And, AFAICT, it's actually 'Fios' (Verizon) or 'FiOS' (Frontier), not
'FIOS'.

'Verizon Fios'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Fios

'FiOS from Frontier'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiOS_from_Frontier

And indeed, spelling it 'FIOS' - with an 'I', not 'i' - is a rather
stupid way to spell (i.e. indeed an "obscure abbreviation") an acronym
for 'Fiber Optics Service'.

In article , Chris wrote:
....
Agree. I also could have googled it, but using acronyms without
explanation is always annoying in all contexts. There very few which
never need explaining e.g. DNA, BBC, CNN.

Let's see:

1) Does Not Apply
2) Big Black C...
3) Could Not Negotiate (sounds like it could be a networking term)

How'd I do?


"Obscure abbreviation"? It's not at all obscure to me, nor do I think
it's obscure to most internet users in the US.
^^^^^^^^^^

There's your problem. This is an international forum don't assume
everyone knows what you know.

I'm in the US and I never knew (until today) what FIOS actually stood for.

Next thing, you'll be telling me that Xfinity is actually an acronym for
something...

--
"They say if you play a Microsoft CD backwards, you hear satanic messages.
Thats nothing, cause if you play it forwards, it installs Windows."

On 14/11/2019 09:40, Chris wrote:



There's your problem. This is an international forum don't assume
everyone knows what you know.

But you forget the fact that the OP is not the brightest bulb around
here. He got a brand new Windows 10 machine and he succeeded to break
it!! Now he has lots of problems that he can't solve them. Perhaps he
should contact that Rogue Trader by the name of T for Todd & Margo
(modern day Bonnie & Clyde) who is good at defrauding old & demented
Windows 10 users.

People helping him here are also in the same situation - old, demented
and counting days of being alive. You must be in your 80s as well? You
don't sound smart either by responding to all nutters here.


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In article ,

Kenny McCormack says...

I'm in the US and I never knew (until today) what FIOS actually stood for.

I had to Google it too.

In EU land it us usually called Fibre To The Home/Premises FTTH/P.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x

Vote labour. Get FTTH for free!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369


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Unsteadyken wrote:
In article ,

Kenny McCormack says...

I'm in the US and I never knew (until today) what FIOS actually stood for.

I had to Google it too.

Heh, I always thought it was just a product name, akin to "$provider
extreme internet", having not lived in a FiOS service area (we only have
Spectrum (nee TWC) and AT&T here).

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Unsteadyken wrote:
In article ,

Kenny McCormack says...

I'm in the US and I never knew (until today) what FIOS actually stood for.

I had to Google it too.

Heh, I always thought it was just a product name, akin to "$provider
extreme internet", having not lived in a FiOS service area (we only have
Spectrum (nee TWC) and AT&T here).

FTTH is an industry acronym.

Whereas FIOS and FIBE are trademarked product names.

Very little of our "FIBE" involves fiber in the last
500 feet. It's almost entirely copper in the last 500 feet.
There's a very small percentage of FTTH in our network.
The FIOS is much better at that stuff (urban centers
have some penetration, rural would be zero).

BT would have a name for theirs too.

"Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee

We're so confident you can rely on Ultrafast Fibre,
you can claim £20 compensation if your speed falls
below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

I gather that means, "if the route to your server is
still up" :-) Having the PON or GPON portion running
at full speed, when the rest of the network is down, isn't
of much use.

And here I thought Ultrafast Fibre was Bran Buds.

Paul

On 2019-11-15 7:34 a.m., Paul wrote:
Dan Purgert wrote:
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Unsteadyken wrote:
In article ,

Kenny McCormack says...

I'm in the US and I never knew (until today) what FIOS actually
stood for.

I had to Google it too.

Heh, I always thought it was just a product name, akin to "$provider
extreme internet", having not lived in a FiOS service area (we only have
Spectrum (nee TWC) and AT&T here).

FTTH is an industry acronym.

Whereas FIOS and FIBE are trademarked product names.

Very little of our "FIBE" involves fiber in the last
500 feet. It's almost entirely copper in the last 500 feet.
There's a very small percentage of FTTH in our network.
The FIOS is much better at that stuff (urban centers
have some penetration, rural would be zero).

BT would have a name for theirs too.

Â*Â* "Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee

Â*Â*Â* We're so confident you can rely on Ultrafast Fibre,
Â*Â*Â* you can claim £20 compensation if your speed falls
Â*Â*Â* below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
Â*Â*Â* for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

I gather that means, "if the route to your server is
still up" :-) Having the PON or GPON portion running
at full speed, when the rest of the network is down, isn't
of much use.

And here I thought Ultrafast Fibre was Bran Buds.

Â*Â* Paul

Or prune juice. :-)

Rene
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Paul wrote:

"Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee...
below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

My ISP also advertises using big fancy names like Gigablast. I
wonder how many people actually need it? Mine boosted me to 150 Mbps
over the years as part of my bundle (TV, phone, Internet). I recently
dropped back to 30 Mbps to save a few bucks and noticed absolutely no
difference. I imagine there are a lot like me whose use does not
require Gigablast speeds (or cost)...

On 15/11/2019 16:17, 123456789 wrote:
Paul wrote:

Â*Â*Â* "Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee...
Â*Â*Â*Â* below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
Â*Â*Â*Â* for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

My ISPÂ* also advertises using big fancy names like Gigablast. I wonder
how many people actually need it?

Almost none. Anything above ~25Mbps for downloads is superfluous IMO.
What people need is better uploads. Asymmetric broadband makes little
sense nowadays.

I'm on a 40/10 contract (getting 34/10 actual speed). I could pay more
for 80/20 or even FTTH, but I wouldn't see any benefit.

On 11/15/2019 10:35 AM, Chris wrote:
On 15/11/2019 16:17, 123456789 wrote:
Paul wrote:

Â*Â*Â* "Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee...
Â*Â*Â*Â* below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
Â*Â*Â*Â* for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

My ISPÂ* also advertises using big fancy names like Gigablast. I wonder
how many people actually need it?

Almost none. Anything above ~25Mbps for downloads is superfluous IMO.
What people need is better uploads.


Maybe some people do, but most people upload very little.

The two main things people upload are e-mail and telephone
conversations. Most e-mail message are small enough that it hardly
matters, but as VoIP becomes more popular, upload speed will become more
important.


Asymmetric broadband makes little
sense nowadays.


I don't know why it's asymmetric. Can you or some else here shed some
light on it?


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In article , Chris
wrote:

My ISP* also advertises using big fancy names like Gigablast. I wonder
how many people actually need it?

Almost none. Anything above ~25Mbps for downloads is superfluous IMO.

that depends on what it's used for and how many people are using it at
the same time.

What people need is better uploads. Asymmetric broadband makes little
sense nowadays.

most people upload very little and cable systems were never designed
for symmetric.

fibre and wireless, on the other hand, are normally symmetric.

Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/15/2019 10:35 AM, Chris wrote:
On 15/11/2019 16:17, 123456789 wrote:
Paul wrote:

Â*Â*Â* "Relax with our Stay Fast Guarantee...
Â*Â*Â*Â* below 100Mbps for Ultrafast Fibre Plus or 150Mbps
Â*Â*Â*Â* for Ultrafast Fibre Plus 2."

My ISPÂ* also advertises using big fancy names like Gigablast. I wonder
how many people actually need it?

Almost none. Anything above ~25Mbps for downloads is superfluous IMO.
What people need is better uploads.


Maybe some people do, but most people upload very little.

You forget the millions on snapchat, WhatsApp, tiktok, FaceTime, Skype,
etc. Etc. Uploading content is huge.

The two main things people upload are e-mail and telephone
conversations. Most e-mail message are small enough that it hardly
matters, but as VoIP becomes more popular, upload speed will become more
important.

People email all sorts of crap. From documents, to photos and videos.


Asymmetric broadband makes little
sense nowadays.


I don't know why it's asymmetric. Can you or some else here shed some
light on it?

It's from the times that the Internet was mostly for consuming, not
generating, content. It made sense then when bandwidth was limited. Not
anymore.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:56:37 -0600, Rene
Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-11-13 11:22 a.m., micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 03:38:30 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:

I finally got FIOS today, and by coincidence, or not, there have been
several windows 10 changes just afterwards.

1) Classic Shell already had one problem and now it has mo
Has it really been replaced by Classic Start
Has that really been renamed Neo-Classic-UI
which was renamed Open Shell? Is Open Shell good?
Or should I stick with Classic Shell, which still works most of the
time.

2) Can't normalize Solitaire. Only maximized or minimized. Or normal
is the same as maximized, but when cursor is at edge of screen, the
cursor doesn't change to two-headed. It's too hard to move the mouse
around when it's maximized and when it's minimized, I can't see it. :-(

3) I run every program that allows it as maximized. Assuming my screen
is 10"H x 20"W, when I alt-tab to another program, instead of opening
up full screen, it starts about 5"x10" and within a quarter second or
less expands to full screen. But it used to always be full screen. If
this is a change in windows, anyone who uses maximized windows should
have seen it, or will sooon. Have you?

4) This might be the result of the previous change: When Firefox is
restarted and opens 15 windows within 10 seconds, it's like a sound and
light show. There are bright flashes of largely white screen in between
opening windows. There used to be no white screen. It used to open all
the windows "quietly".

Not a significant error, I think, but I had this backwards. The Firefox
screens normally open mostly white, but now, in between, are flashes of
the blue desktop.

Jonathan, BTW, this is the only thing I thought might be related to
FIOS, on the theory that before, it took so much time to load a window,
the next one was ready to go as soon as the first one was done, but with
FIOS, the screen loaded so quickly, there was time for the blue desktop
to show in between. OTOH, reloading previously opened FF windows
doesn't require downloading, just loaing from FF's sessionstore area.
But I was trying to consider all possibilities, even the impossible
ones.


5) Until today, I could click on a task in the task list and focus would
switch to that task. Then, next, I could click on the same task and
focus would go to whatever task had the focus before. Just now I see
that the first half of this works, but the second time I click on it, on
a task that has focus, nothing happens. Losing this is really bad.

Maybe something changed in Task 7 Tweaker? (But the 7 Tweaker icon is
no longer able to be made visible from the taskbar.)

6)Several things had changed in my task bar. The language indicator EN
SP, etc disappeared, the touch screen icon appeared. And the distinction
between background tasks like AVG, stunnel, the speaker icon has
disappeared, worse actually. The little box that displayed the hidden
ones is gone, and the only ones showiwing are the speaker and the
network access icon.

I show the proper version now. Details at the end.

I went into Settings and moved a task, stunnel, from not-showig to
those that show in the Notifications area. And it alone for a couple
minutes during startup did show in the Notifications area, but it's gone
now. Like earlier today there's also no area where right clicking brings
up a box with all the hidden icons of all the tasks.

Some time ago they got rid of the Taskbar Properties, which one got to
by right-clicking an empty part of the taskbar. I liked that a lot
better than putting it all in the Settings program, which takes a long
time to load and where I can't find what I want.


My Windows update history shows the most recent to be on 10/25. And
there are more available to download. I coudl also undo one or both
recent KB4.. updates, but I don't know what they did. Did tjhey break
these 6 things?

7) The icons on my desktop are gone 90% of the time. I see them at
first for a moment, and then occasionally, but basically theyre' of no
use. The desktop is blank When I click on the icon in the quick launch
bar for Desktop, nothing happens.

8) I've watched movies on a lot of websites, but the one I watched
tonight, when I made it full screen, the taskbar didn't go away like it
did before alway,s for months, on this website.) .......

8-continued: Although it did give full screen at the top, just didn't
get rid of the taskbar at the bottom. And F11 with Youtube did give me
full-screen both at top and bottom and sides.

Thanks for reordering these. One more I notice this morning.

9) Contrary to the way it's been for years, and contrary to my question
just a couple days ago, now the active task in the taskbar is clearly
blue and every other task is totally black.

Another problem
10), probably related to 7) above is that when I right click on the
blank desktop, no menu comes up. Nothing happens.

I've rebooted windows and these two are not fixed, probably none of
them.

Run "winver" from the Start menu, and tell us whether
it reads 18362 (1903) or 18363 (1909).

It's 18362 (418) !!!!

I decided to do the pending updates, on the theory I can't complain
until I've done all the updates. That's a malicious softeware tool, a
.net framework cumulative update and a windows cumulative update.

That's the "soft" Upgrade that might come in after
November Patch Tuesday.

It didn't seem to be a big enough download to affect
anything, but I suspect it cheated and downloaded what
it needed in advance.

I doubt anyone has done a comprehensive test of 18363 yet.
Not the release version. If might have been on the
Slow Ring on Insider at some point.

There might not be as many people as yourself, running Classic Shell.

I would hate to lose it. I didn't mention that for a couple weeks now
every time Windows starts, I get a message to update Classic Shell and
then a big red box that says someone has not allowed it to be updated,
but everything about it still worked until, it seems, yesterday.

That may account for the lack of issues seen elsewhere.
When I installed 18363 a couple hours ago, there
was no Windows.old, so it wasn't a conventional
install. I changed OSes to move on to another project,
so didn't bash it at all.

Paul


Micky, When you are updated you should see in Winver,
Version 1909 (build 18363.476)

Rene

I have that now.

I had to install those things that were pending and restart, and then it
came up with more things to install and restart, and finally I'm there,
but so far, all of the same problems above are also still there.

I thought the problem might be Classic Shell, which gave a dire warning
when starting, so I uninstalled that but it didn't work any better.

Then I installed Open Shell, its successor (working from the source
code the original author left behind) and it doesn't work any better.


I have a spare computer and a copy of win7 and I'm seriously thinking of
going back to win7.

What would I lose if I did that.

Voice to text? I plan to use that a lot this month. I even bought a
fancy microphone. Can I install it separately? Or a competitor?

Cortana? I never use that.

Anything else I will miss.