Edge and Bing

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:22:24 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2020-06-16 1:14 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 6/16/2020 11:10 AM, Jim S wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/16/2020 3:06 AM, Jim S wrote:
KenW***************************************
wrote
in :
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:35:59 GMT, John
wrote:
I have Google as my prefered search engine - but sometimes
operations open
Bing. I have tried to remove it but the only place to do it has it
greyed
out.
Any ideas?
Win 10 has Bing as default clicking on a url. Bing is the
default on
MS now and made it harder to get around. I refuse to use EDGE
KenW
Have you actually tried the new incarnation of Edge?



I don't know about KenW, but I've tried the new incarnation of Edge.
I dislike it as much as I disliked the old incarnation. As far as I'm
concerned, it's still the worst browser out there.

I use FireFox, but every now and then I run into a web site that
won't work with FireFox, and I have to switch to Edge.


Isn't life strange. I have used every browser there is and had settled
on Samsung Internet on my phone and tablet and Vivaldi on my pc.
Since Edge became Chromified I use nothing else on all three devices.
It's fast and has the best of the others for me.

That's fine. If you're happy with it, that's fine with me. We all work
differently and have different likes and dislikes. Edge may be faster
than FireFox, but I don't care. To me what's much more important is the
difference in their UIs.


Like no Menu Bar.

Menu bars are so 20th century!

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 22:01:14 -0400, Bill wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

That's fine. If you're happy with it, that's fine with me. We all
work differently and have different likes and dislikes. Edge may
be faster than FireFox, but I don't care. To me what's much more
important is the difference in their UIs.

To me, what's important is their "attitude". I removed Edge off
of the desktop. I have never tried it. I got a Windows update
this week that celebrated a new version of Edge..I had to work
rather hard to keep it from taking over... I don't like Apple
software either. It has a similar "attitude". I'd prefer to
choose the software I use, not the other way around...

Perfectly possible to stick with 20th century stuff, personally I
use Alpine for mail, 40tude dialog for Usenet and Lotus
Smartsuite for office tasks. Well written software still works with
the latest OS. With a browser it's more difficult, websites tend to
demand the latest and greatest so I go with the current meme and use
Edge, simply the best available. I should include the OS under that
heading, too risky to use anything other than the latest win10
offering.

"Bill" wrote

| To me, what's important is their "attitude". I removed Edge off of the
| desktop. I have never tried it. I got a Windows update this week that
| celebrated a new version of Edge..I had to work rather hard to keep it
| from taking over... I don't like Apple software either. It has a
| similar "attitude". I'd prefer to choose the software I use, not the
| other way around...
|

Which raises an interesting question: What happened
to the legal rulings of a few years ago that said people
have to be presented with a choice of browsers?

That's the threat of kiosk OSs. Apple have been controling
the software people use for years. And on their phones
they not only control access but also take a 30% cut of
app maker's income. Surely that was a big part of
Microsoft's motive in going kiosk with Win10. It's just a
new angle on their defense of the IE monopoly in Win95.
They lost that court case, as I recall, but by then they
had Active Desktop, which was specifically designed to
build IE into the system so that they couldn't be forced to
provide equal access to Netscape. They can't really
make that argument anymore, but they can redefine
Windows as a total product, rather than a neutral platform,
just as Apple does.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| To me, what's important is their "attitude". I removed Edge off of the
| desktop. I have never tried it. I got a Windows update this week that
| celebrated a new version of Edge..I had to work rather hard to keep it
| from taking over... I don't like Apple software either. It has a
| similar "attitude". I'd prefer to choose the software I use, not the
| other way around...
|

Which raises an interesting question: What happened
to the legal rulings of a few years ago that said people
have to be presented with a choice of browsers?

everyone has a choice of browsers or whatever else they want to use.

software does not have an attitude nor does it take over, as was
previously claimed.

That's the threat of kiosk OSs. Apple have been controling
the software people use for years. And on their phones
they not only control access but also take a 30% cut of
app maker's income. Surely that was a big part of
Microsoft's motive in going kiosk with Win10. It's just a
new angle on their defense of the IE monopoly in Win95.
They lost that court case, as I recall, but by then they
had Active Desktop, which was specifically designed to
build IE into the system so that they couldn't be forced to
provide equal access to Netscape. They can't really
make that argument anymore, but they can redefine
Windows as a total product, rather than a neutral platform,
just as Apple does.

yet another ignorant rant.

On 2020-06-17 5:41 a.m., mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:22:24 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2020-06-16 1:14 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 6/16/2020 11:10 AM, Jim S wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/16/2020 3:06 AM, Jim S wrote:
KenWÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*
wrote
in :
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:35:59 GMT, John
wrote:
I have Google as my prefered search engine - but sometimes
operations open
Bing. I have tried to remove it but the only place to do it has it
greyed
out.
Any ideas?
Win 10 has Bing as default clicking on a url. Bing is the
default on
MS now and made it harder to get around. I refuse to use EDGE
KenW
Have you actually tried the new incarnation of Edge?



I don't know about KenW, but I've tried the new incarnation of Edge.
I dislike it as much as I disliked the old incarnation. As far as I'm
concerned, it's still the worst browser out there.

I use FireFox, but every now and then I run into a web site that
won't work with FireFox, and I have to switch to Edge.


Isn't life strange. I have used every browser there is and had settled
on Samsung Internet on my phone and tablet and Vivaldi on my pc.
Since Edge became Chromified I use nothing else on all three devices.
It's fast and has the best of the others for me.

That's fine. If you're happy with it, that's fine with me. We all work
differently and have different likes and dislikes. Edge may be faster
than FireFox, but I don't care. To me what's much more important is the
difference in their UIs.


Like no Menu Bar.

Menu bars are so 20th century!


So am I :-)

Rene

On 6/16/2020 2:22 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-06-16 1:14 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 6/16/2020 11:10 AM, Jim S wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 6/16/2020 3:06 AM, Jim S wrote:
KenWÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*
wrote
in :
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:35:59 GMT, John
wrote:
I have Google as my prefered search engine - but sometimes
operations open
Bing. I have tried to remove it but the only place to do it has it
greyed
out.
Any ideas?
Win 10 has Bing as default clicking on a url. Bing is the
default on
MS now and made it harder to get around. I refuse to use EDGE
KenW
Have you actually tried the new incarnation of Edge?



I don't know about KenW, but I've tried the new incarnation of Edge.
I dislike it as much as I disliked the old incarnation. As far as I'm
concerned, it's still the worst browser out there.

I use FireFox, but every now and then I run into a web site that
won't work with FireFox, and I have to switch to Edge.


Isn't life strange. I have used every browser there is and had settled
on Samsung Internet on my phone and tablet and Vivaldi on my pc.
Since Edge became Chromified I use nothing else on all three devices.
It's fast and has the best of the others for me.



That's fine. If you're happy with it, that's fine with me. We all work
differently and have different likes and dislikes. Edge may be faster
than FireFox, but I don't care. To me what's much more important is the
difference in their UIs.


Like no Menu Bar.



Yes. One of the several things I greatly dislike about Edge.



--
Ken

On 17/06/2020 11:41, mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:22:24 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2020-06-16 1:14 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 6/16/2020 11:10 AM, Jim S wrote:
In article ,
says...
On 6/16/2020 3:06 AM, Jim S wrote:
KenWÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*
wrote
in :
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:35:59 GMT, John
wrote:
I have Google as my prefered search engine - but sometimes
operations open
Bing. I have tried to remove it but the only place to do it has it
greyed
out.
Any ideas?
Win 10 has Bing as default clicking on a url. Bing is the
default on
MS now and made it harder to get around. I refuse to use EDGE
KenW
Have you actually tried the new incarnation of Edge?


I don't know about KenW, but I've tried the new incarnation of Edge.
I dislike it as much as I disliked the old incarnation. As far as I'm
concerned, it's still the worst browser out there.

I use FireFox, but every now and then I run into a web site that
won't work with FireFox, and I have to switch to Edge.

Isn't life strange. I have used every browser there is and had settled
on Samsung Internet on my phone and tablet and Vivaldi on my pc.
Since Edge became Chromified I use nothing else on all three devices.
It's fast and has the best of the others for me.
That's fine. If you're happy with it, that's fine with me. We all work
differently and have different likes and dislikes. Edge may be faster
than FireFox, but I don't care. To me what's much more important is the
difference in their UIs.

Like no Menu Bar.
Menu bars are so 20th century!

What I wonder is what is in the menu bar that they use most? Perhaps we
can tell them how the same feature can be accomplished in "Edge" or
"Edge Chrome".

Menu comes in all sorts of shapes, sizes and forms.Â* Some are on the
side bar, some are at the bottom and some are at the top. they all do
the same thing but the user needs to learn to think outside the box.Â* An
old man in his 80s is not likely to have the energy to think apart from
switching the computer and doing the same thing day in and day out.Â*
They don't even get bored doing it all day long.

Vivaldi https://vivaldi.com is another browser that is chromium built
and it has a menu bar at the top if you configure it correctly!.Â* All
browsers needs to be configured to meet your taste and smell!!


--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| To me, what's important is their "attitude". I removed Edge off of the
| desktop. I have never tried it. I got a Windows update this week that
| celebrated a new version of Edge..I had to work rather hard to keep it
| from taking over... I don't like Apple software either. It has a
| similar "attitude". I'd prefer to choose the software I use, not the
| other way around...
|

Which raises an interesting question: What happened
to the legal rulings of a few years ago that said people
have to be presented with a choice of browsers?

everyone has a choice of browsers or whatever else they want to use.

software does not have an attitude nor does it take over, as was
previously claimed.

Okay then: Without turning off automatic updates, how do I keep MS from
downloading their next incarnation of Edge to my computer as they did
with their last one 2 days ago. As I mentioned, it was not elementary
to shut down it's "introduction" either. There was no easy "choice" for
that.. (but I found a way).

As far as Apple goes, when I downloaded I-Tunes, it converted all of my
mp3 files (thousands of them) into a different format without my
permission. I'd call that "attitude", or call it what you like
(presumptuous?). Either way, it's obnoxious. If you don't like
"personification"... maybe it would be more fair to say that software
reflects the attitude of the people who are responsible for it. And
where it is poor, those people deserve to be called out for the PITA
they created.



That's the threat of kiosk OSs. Apple have been controling
the software people use for years. And on their phones
they not only control access but also take a 30% cut of
app maker's income. Surely that was a big part of
Microsoft's motive in going kiosk with Win10. It's just a
new angle on their defense of the IE monopoly in Win95.
They lost that court case, as I recall, but by then they
had Active Desktop, which was specifically designed to
build IE into the system so that they couldn't be forced to
provide equal access to Netscape. They can't really
make that argument anymore, but they can redefine
Windows as a total product, rather than a neutral platform,
just as Apple does.

yet another ignorant rant.

On 17/06/2020 16:16, Bill wrote:


Okay then: Without turning off automatic updates, how do I keep MS
from downloading their next incarnation of Edge to my computer as they
did with their last one 2 days ago.Â* As I mentioned, it was not
elementary to shut down it's "introduction" either. There was no easy
"choice" for that.. (but I found a way).

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-blocker-toolkit

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-blocker-toolkit

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-blocker-toolkit

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-blocker-toolkit




--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 6/17/20 5:41 AM, mechanic wrote:

[snip]

Menu bars are so 20th century!

Those things sound stupid, considering that what century something is
has nothing to do with anything important like how useful it is.

jetjock wrote:

This may be a little "Off Topic", but it felt like a good place for
it.

Yesterday, my wife, all in a panic, brought me her Surface Pro (Win
10) telling my that she had this pop-up when she turned it on after
the last update. There was a full screen message telling her that
MICROSOFT had decided that they had found a better browser for her to
use! Of course it was Edge. Nowhere on that pop-up was there an option
to cancel out or do anything but continue! She did not have access to
anything on her desktop except to continue with installing Edge.
Fortunately I remembered Ctrl-Shift-Escape to access the procedures
menu and was able to shut down the pop-up.

Just another of the MANY reasons to hate Win 10!!

Not off-topic. That was the update that I was referring to in my posts.
I found a way to circumvent it too, but it wasn't obvious.

Tim R wrote:
On 6/17/20 5:41 AM, mechanic wrote:

[snip]

Menu bars are so 20th century!

Those things sound stupid, considering that what century something is
has nothing to do with anything important like how useful it is.

Predictable, versus ad-hoc interface.

Nobody wants a scrolling, yard long vertical menu, where
you haven't a clue where anything is located. Are we to
memorize every arcane, tall, yard long interface, like
we're OCD or something ???

That's why.

And interface regularity used to be a "recommendation" by
your platform, to "gently guide" developers into doing it right.

Paul

"Bill" wrote

|
| As far as Apple goes, when I downloaded I-Tunes, it converted all of my
| mp3 files (thousands of them) into a different format without my
| permission.

I've also noticed that iTunes for Windows installed *3*
services without asking. But in their defense, taking over
is what Apple fans pay them for. Fortunately there's really
nothing Apple that Windows users *must* use. The same
can't be said for Microsoft. They've been pushing their crap
ever since early IE and Windows Media Player. Even on XP
I was only able to remove WMP by disabling system file
protection.

In the case of nospam, he's a famous AppleSeed and
compulsive arguer. If you respond to his posts it will
never end. I've seen debates go into the hundreds of
posts in the photo group, amounting to little more than,
"No suh! You are!", batted back and forth.

And he has a remarkable knack for speaking
in generalizations, such that he often seems to really
know what he's talking about. A born politician, if it
weren't for the fact that he argues with everyone he meets.

On 6/17/2020 10:43 AM, Tim R wrote:
On 6/17/20 5:41 AM, mechanic wrote:

[snip]

Menu bars are so 20th century!

Those things sound stupid, considering that what century something is
has nothing to do with anything important like how useful it is.



A big ditto!




--
Ken

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I've also noticed that iTunes for Windows installed *3*
services without asking.

it's required for itunes to work properly and can also be used by other
windows apps and peripherals.

of course, you can also decline to install itunes, as it's not required.

But in their defense, taking over
is what Apple fans pay them for.

nothing is being taken over.

Fortunately there's really
nothing Apple that Windows users *must* use.

except when they own one or more apple products.

the majority of iphone and ipad owners are windows users.

you can't see past your baseless hatred of apple to accept that, or
anything else that doesn't fit your ignorant agenda.