Win10 and RAM

When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.

On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


--
Ken

Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB. Mij desktop
has 32GB.

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On 2020-06-16 9:24 a.m., BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB. Mij desktop
has 32GB.


8 GB is fine, 16 GB seems to be the sweet spot at the moment.

Rene

On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


--
Ken

Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:39:
On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.

--
\ / https://home.deds.nl/~jawade/
---------///--------------------------------------
/ \ Bye, BugHunter

On 6/16/2020 8:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.

It depends on how much crapware is loaded upon bootup about how well it
runs on 4 GB.

Yousuf Khan

On 2020-06-16 9:48 a.m., Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 6/16/2020 8:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines
and found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months
ago) that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at
least 8 gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.

It depends on how much crapware is loaded upon bootup about how well it
runs on 4 GB.

****Yousuf Khan

Right, Just checked task manager and with Firefox and Thunderbird
running my system is using 2.6 GB out of 16 GB. with other programs
running rarely does it go over 3.4 GB.

Rene

On 6/16/2020 7:43 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:39:
On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.


Again, as I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends
on what programs are running.



--
Ken

Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 08:24:
On 6/16/2020 7:43 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:39:
On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.


Again, as I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends
on what programs are running.


Of course, but for normal use 8GB is the minimal
size. Think about that W10 is updated and asks
also more RAM.

--
\ / https://home.deds.nl/~jawade/
---------///--------------------------------------
/ \ Bye, BugHunter

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-06-16 9:48 a.m., Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 6/16/2020 8:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines
and found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months
ago) that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at
least 8 gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I
decided to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.

It depends on how much crapware is loaded upon bootup about how well
it runs on 4 GB.

Yousuf Khan

Right, Just checked task manager and with Firefox and Thunderbird
running my system is using 2.6 GB out of 16 GB. with other programs
running rarely does it go over 3.4 GB.

Rene

The seeming behavior of the system is highly
variable, as "unused RAM is wasted RAM".

The OS likes to cache stuff. It would not
be unusual to see Task Manager report that
6GB is "used", when the system is "idle".

Someone else with the same computer as you,
might see it idling with a quite different
amount like only 1GB.

What looks like "charged" memory can be evicted
if the system is under memory pressure. That's
when the core requirement of roughly 350MB becomes
more apparent.

As for the "what feels good" quantity of RAM,
the generation of RAM is as important as the
quantity. If you had 4GB of DDR400, that would
probably feel "dog slow", as if maybe it was
swapping and feels like it's swapping. If you
had 4GB of DDR3 with a relatively high clock,
that might feel "decent". These could be considered
to be architectural effects in a sense.

But it's pretty hard to find enough combinations
of "weak this and strong that" to ferret out all
the details in that way.

And if a person says "I'm only using Firefox here",
there's also a difference between a person who
keeps 75 tabs open (never closes any), and a person
who keeps only 3 tabs open. Maybe with 75 tabs
open "4GB doesn't feel like enough" is your
conclusion. The Firefox program can start more
processes running, to provide isolation for
75 tabs. (No, it's not 75 processes, there's
some sort of ratio.)

At one time, opening the Yahoo News page (the one
that adds content to the page as you scroll down,
and could have had four videos playing at once...),
that would use 1GB for just that tab. Not many
web sites could match them for gluttony.

Paul

On 16/06/2020 13:47, philo wrote:



My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.

And now think about how you are going to do about this?* I can tell you
here but it will good for your brain if you think it for yourself before
coming here and asking us to check your solution.

These days anything less than 16gb is not worth wasting time. Most apps
are using more and more ram so 16 GBs is the minimum for me.* I use
Photoshop and other Adobe products so they need more ram.* Even Corel
Paintshop pro and Corel Draw requires more ram to operate reasonably
well.* In your case you are only interested in Facebook,* twitter and
Instagram so any linux junk will work for you and more importantly you
won't look stupid by using those junk machines because people don't
expect much from such people. "Linux-Junk can't do it" is the standard
excuse I have heard many times.

--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 6/16/2020 8:38 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 08:24:
On 6/16/2020 7:43 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:39:
On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.


Again, as I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends
on what programs are running.


Of course, but for normal use 8GB is the minimal
size. Think about that W10 is updated and asks
also more RAM.


There is no *normal* use. We are all different and use our computers in
different ways. What's the minimum for one person is not the same as
what's minimum for everyone.




--
Ken

Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 10:33:
On 6/16/2020 8:38 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 08:24:
On 6/16/2020 7:43 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:39:
On 6/16/2020 7:24 AM, BugHunter wrote:
Ken Blake schreef op Di 16 Jun 2020 om 07:01:
On 6/16/2020 5:47 AM, philo wrote:
When Win10 was first released I tired it on a few lower end machines and
found performance totally unsatisfactory with 4 gigs of RAM.

6 gigs was "sort of " acceptable but I announced here (a few months ago)
that I would not bother with Win10 unless the machine has at least 8
gigs of RAM.

Someone mentioned that 4 gigs was working fine for them...so I decided
to try Win10 version 2004 on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.


I'll be darned, it was usable.


My next step though is to see if the mobo will support more RAM.



How much RAM is appropriate for Windows 10, or any other version of
Windows, depends on what programs you run. It is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation.


For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.


Again, as I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends
on what programs are running.


Of course, but for normal use 8GB is the minimal
size. Think about that W10 is updated and asks
also more RAM.


There is no *normal* use. We are all different and use our computers in
different ways. What's the minimum for one person is not the same as
what's minimum for everyone.


Okay, for average use.

--
\ / https://home.deds.nl/~jawade/
---------///--------------------------------------
/ \ Bye, BugHunter

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

For a good working PC, you need 8GB.


That is *not* correct. As I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all
situation. My wife's computer has 4GB. She does very little besides
e-mail, web searches, and solitaire, and the performance on her computer
is just fine.


Well, let her play streaming video and at the same
time another application.


Again, as I said, it is *not* a one-size-fits-all situation. It depends
on what programs are running.


Of course, but for normal use 8GB is the minimal
size. Think about that W10 is updated and asks
also more RAM.


There is no *normal* use. We are all different and use our computers in
different ways. What's the minimum for one person is not the same as
what's minimum for everyone.

there definitely is normal use, with outliers at either end.

someone who does nothing but email can get away with very little
memory, but that's hardly representative of what people do with a
computer.

meanwhile, someone pushing it to the limit, such as video rendering,
virtual machines, etc., will need as much memory as they can afford or
the maximum that the computer can support, whichever one is the
limiting factor (usually the former).

most people fall somewhere in the middle, with 8 gig being be a minimum
to use modern apps and 16 gig being more comfortable.