Nominations still being accepted for the MSMVPHOS!

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murder per capita
from your post and pasted it in google and took the first hit.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:03:59 +1100, wrote:
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24 United States 0.04 per 1000 people=20
43 Australia 0.01 per 1000 people
48 Spain 0.01 per 1000 people
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Thank for posting that David - care to provide the source?
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I don't dispute the numbers, maybe Alias will thank you for getting =
the
information to help him prove his statement.
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Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) wrote:
Oh Kurt,

You really did it this time. Even got me involved (-:

LOL! I don't know how my thread turned out this way! I was expecting
this to be more of a lark, not yet another battle in the EULA Wars!

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Colin Barnhorst wrote:
| It is public knowledge that Microsoft software is licensed unless
| stated "OK to share with friends" (which does appear on some items,
| like the Security CD Feb 2004 and the Service Pack 2 CD). Microsoft
| publishes this on their websites. A store not making a big point
| about licensing does not break the license between you and Microsoft.
|
|| Colin Barnhorst wrote:
||| You were sold the licenses, not the software.
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||
|| That's what is said in the EULA, AFTER the fact of the sale of a
|| copy of software had already taken place.
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If MS forced the issue with the XP software OEM full version they would
lose a big portion of their customer base. Were not talking selling
apples on
a street corner, we are talking a worldwide distribution. I used my OEM
copy
of XP on a P3, a P4 Celeron and now a P4 HT. If that software was tied
to the P3 I would have had to use other means and not even use MS. This
would involve a codzillion MS users around the globe. I don't think
that it is
enforcable because MS has not enforced the issue.
Another issue is the rewording of the EULA from gold to SP1 then again
to
SP2.

"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:33:40 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:10:07 +0100, Alias wrote:

But your statements, in this global forum, didn't indicate that you
were
only talking about Spain - in fact, many of the companies you listed
(WalMart, Sears....) are in several countries.

This still doesn't detract from the fact that it's the seller that's
scamming you, not MS. The seller is withholding information about the
product, MS makes that information available to the public.

With MS's permission. The are complices in the scam. Licensing is a
scam.
Period. With XP, the price isn't too bad but if a family of three with
three
computers wants Office, you gotta pay a kidney to have Office on all
three
machines. Highway robbery and it induces people to install pirated
copies.

But you don't really know that to be fact - that's like assuming that
ever
company that sells products runs their ad's across the manufactures
legal
department for approval. MS probably has no clue how WalMart is working
the ad's or in-store displays.

LOL! And this guy's serious!

So, when are you going to take WalMart to task for their actions?

Now you want me to do your research and Microsoft's job. I charge $200 an
hour in advance. When can I expect my check?

I don't want you to do anything - you are the one making unsubstantiated
claims. If you are not willing to show evidence of to back your claims
then you must just be spreading crap for the fun of it.

The claims turned out to be true, as you have seen.

Alias

"Leythos" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:07:11 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:33:40 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:10:07 +0100, Alias wrote:

But your statements, in this global forum, didn't indicate that you
were
only talking about Spain - in fact, many of the companies you listed
(WalMart, Sears....) are in several countries.

This still doesn't detract from the fact that it's the seller that's
scamming you, not MS. The seller is withholding information about
the
product, MS makes that information available to the public.

With MS's permission. The are complices in the scam. Licensing is a
scam.
Period. With XP, the price isn't too bad but if a family of three
with
three
computers wants Office, you gotta pay a kidney to have Office on all
three
machines. Highway robbery and it induces people to install pirated
copies.

But you don't really know that to be fact - that's like assuming that
ever
company that sells products runs their ad's across the manufactures
legal
department for approval. MS probably has no clue how WalMart is
working
the ad's or in-store displays.

LOL! And this guy's serious!

So, when are you going to take WalMart to task for their actions?

Now you want me to do your research and Microsoft's job. I charge $200
an
hour in advance. When can I expect my check?

I don't want you to do anything - you are the one making unsubstantiated
claims. If you are not willing to show evidence of to back your claims
then you must just be spreading crap for the fun of it.

The claims turned out to be true, as you have seen.

The only claims I've seen substantiated as ones about violence, nothing
about MS has been substantiated here.

Fact: activation and validation assumes that a paying customer is a thief
unless he or she proves otherwise. Paying customers are the only ones who
will have problems with actiavation and validation and will be unjustly
accused of being a thief if there is a problem.

Fact: Crackers and people who use cracked XP software/license do not have to
prove anything and can merrily use their software on as many machines as
they like and not have to jump through one single hoop.

Fact: That's not right and you know it and nobody needs to google it to
prove it.

Alias

"Leythos" wrote
How many attacks on US soil have
you seen since we started this?

One, it happened on November 5th, 2004 when the cowboy stole the election
again. This attack may well bring the US empire to an end. And who's to say
that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have asked for anything better to
jump start his flagging presidency.
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:29:52 +0100, Alias wrote:

Fact: activation and validation assumes that a paying customer is a thief
unless he or she proves otherwise. Paying customers are the only ones who
will have problems with actiavation and validation and will be unjustly
accused of being a thief if there is a problem.

It's not a fact at all, it's a false belief that you hope honest people
will fall for - no one is assuming they are thieves.

I have yet to experience a problem with Activation and can't speak about a
BETA validation product that's not on RTM status yet.

Hey, don't you read this newsgroup!? People have posted problems with
activation many times here!

Fact: Crackers and people who use cracked XP software/license do not have
to
prove anything and can merrily use their software on as many machines as
they like and not have to jump through one single hoop.

Again, partially true - many cracked copies of XP still required a
activation key and that will come back to haunt them.

I've seen a few and the ones I've seen have no activation key, no product
key, just slip the CD in and you're off to races. No little bubble saying 30
days.

Fact: That's not right and you know it and nobody needs to google it to
prove it.

Again - wrong. Activation does not indicate anyone is anything, you're
making up sh|t to get things stirred up for your own means.

Yes, it does. I paid for the product (as MS calls it). Now I have to go
online and prove it not once but twice. If MS thinks I stole it, they should
do what normal people do, call the police and have me arrested for theft and
let the judge, not MS, decide.

Alias

of course you are free to do what you want, and i don't mean any
disrespect, but you have been mired in this flame war for about 6 hours
now. Leythos, your time and breath is much more valuable than to wasted
with this psychopath. you know that you never will convert somebody who
is so mentally sick that he considers the possibility that

"... who's to say that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have asked
for anything better to jump start his flagging presidency."



Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:34:54 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote

How many attacks on US soil have
you seen since we started this?

One, it happened on November 5th, 2004 when the cowboy stole the election
again. This attack may well bring the US empire to an end. And who's to say
that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have asked for anything better to
jump start his flagging presidency.


Alias, only a complete psychotic moron would even suggest the above. Maybe
if you cared about more than just your tin-foil hat and friends that
believe in aliens you might be able to live in the real world.

So, have you decided to complain to WalMart for their marketing Windows in
a manner that causes the customer to be screwed? If you're not part of the
solution then you're part of the problem.

i see what you're saying.
hope you had a nice weekend.

p.s.
i'm guessing you're nearly bald by now.


Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:53:18 +0000, JW wrote:


of course you are free to do what you want, and i don't mean any
disrespect, but you have been mired in this flame war for about 6 hours
now. Leythos, your time and breath is much more valuable than to wasted
with this psychopath. you know that you never will convert somebody who
is so mentally sick that he considers the possibility that

"... who's to say that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have asked
for anything better to jump start his flagging presidency."


Yea, but once in a while I have to let the trolls have some fun and see
where they take it. I can't be technical 24/7, once in a while I have to
let what's left of my hair down :-)

Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:48:40 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:29:52 +0100, Alias wrote:

Fact: activation and validation assumes that a paying customer is
a thief unless he or she proves otherwise. Paying customers are
the only ones who will have problems with actiavation and
validation and will be unjustly accused of being a thief if there
is a problem.

It's not a fact at all, it's a false belief that you hope honest
people will fall for - no one is assuming they are thieves.

I have yet to experience a problem with Activation and can't speak
about a BETA validation product that's not on RTM status yet.

Hey, don't you read this newsgroup!? People have posted problems with
activation many times here!

Yep, I read them, and with the exception of OEM migrations to new
machines or OEM migrations to new hardware I don't see many
complaints - and considering the installed base, it's at the point of
being a non-issue.

Fact: Crackers and people who use cracked XP software/license do
not have to
prove anything and can merrily use their software on as many
machines as they like and not have to jump through one single hoop.

Again, partially true - many cracked copies of XP still required a
activation key and that will come back to haunt them.

I've seen a few and the ones I've seen have no activation key, no
product key, just slip the CD in and you're off to races. No little
bubble saying 30 days.

I've seen quite a few cracked copies, mostly the Volume License ones,
but they still have to pass validation in order to get updates sooner
or later.

Fact: That's not right and you know it and nobody needs to google
it to prove it.

Again - wrong. Activation does not indicate anyone is anything,
you're making up sh|t to get things stirred up for your own means.

Yes, it does. I paid for the product (as MS calls it). Now I have to
go online and prove it not once but twice. If MS thinks I stole it,
they should do what normal people do, call the police and have me
arrested for theft and let the judge, not MS, decide.

Nope, you're just looking at it in the wrong frame of mind - no one is
even hinting that you are a thief (unless you are), you just choose to
make a big deal out of MS trying to protect it's assets and sales.

Activation was around before MS started with it - have you complained
about those companies?

Straw man. PA in Windows locks you out of your entire system including
other software.

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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:53:18 +0000, JW wrote:

of course you are free to do what you want, and i don't mean any
disrespect, but you have been mired in this flame war for about 6
hours now. Leythos, your time and breath is much more valuable than
to wasted with this psychopath. you know that you never will
convert somebody who is so mentally sick that he considers the
possibility that

"... who's to say that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have
asked for anything better to jump start his flagging presidency."

Yea, but once in a while I have to let the trolls have some fun and
see where they take it. I can't be technical 24/7, once in a while I
have to let what's left of my hair down :-)

You aren't bald?

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:49:59 -0500, Tom wrote:

Kerry was discharged with honors, not with your experienced historical
spins. At least he did 2 years, 4months of which was actual combat duty,
and
he VOLUNTEERED for service, and wasn;t drafted, though he was born to a
wealthier Family than the Bush family.

Try again, prove he was discharged with Honors - you can't find any public
record and he won't show the 214, so you have no proof that he was.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...om_Reserve.pdf

Though I cannot find it officially, it was no state secret that Kerry
officially got an Honorable Discharge in March, 2001 from the Pentagon.
Honorable is Honorable, if you see Bush as serving Honorably, though records
of a 6 month period of his duty is somehow not available, and he states
simply that he served.


And he didn't expect to be in combat, by his own story, and he got out by
PUTTING HIMSELF IN FOR THE PURPLE HEART WHILE ON DUTY, which only people
looking for a way out did. He planned the out very well and made sure that
his paper cuts didn't hurt him to bad.

He's not a traitor, you need to prove the 214 thingie, not I, and he got 3
Purple hearts, not one. Whether he expected to be or not to be in combat is
irrelevant, he did do it though. Many men don't expect to be in combat, that
were in his position, but they had it anyway, so are they traitors for
having thoughts? He got his PHs from his superiors, and through the proper
methods. A wound is a wound, so tell your crap to others that served
honorably, that got PH(s) for paper cuts also, I bet you don't!

Leythos wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:49:59 -0500, Tom wrote:

Kerry was discharged with honors, not with your experienced
historical spins. At least he did 2 years, 4months of which was
actual combat duty, and he VOLUNTEERED for service, and wasn;t
drafted, though he was born to a wealthier Family than the Bush
family.

Try again, prove he was discharged with Honors - you can't find any
public record and he won't show the 214, so you have no proof that he
was.

And he didn't expect to be in combat, by his own story, and he got
out by PUTTING HIMSELF IN FOR THE PURPLE HEART WHILE ON DUTY, which
only people looking for a way out did. He planned the out very well
and made sure that his paper cuts didn't hurt him to bad.

I have no respect for the traitor.

LOL! Prove that Kerry put himself in for the Purple Heart! That was
yet another Stinkboat lie.

I have no respect for idiots that put down a Vietnam Vet who saw real
combat, while having no problem with Bush failing to do his duty and
show up for a routine physical back in Texas.

Kerry went to Vietnam, and Bush couldn't take a physical in Texas, and
then ran off to Alabama, where no one remembers him showing up for duty
at all!

Please don't think you are gonna get away with you Stinkboat lies again!

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I wonder who killed the leb guy. Only america/israel had anything to =
gain.

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"Leythos" wrote
How many attacks on US soil have
you seen since we started this?
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One, it happened on November 5th, 2004 when the cowboy stole the =
election=20
again. This attack may well bring the US empire to an end. And who's =
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that Bush wasn't behind 9/11. He couldn't have asked for anything =
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"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:34:01 -0500, Tom wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:49:59 -0500, Tom wrote:

Kerry was discharged with honors, not with your experienced historical
spins. At least he did 2 years, 4months of which was actual combat
duty,
and
he VOLUNTEERED for service, and wasn;t drafted, though he was born to a
wealthier Family than the Bush family.

Try again, prove he was discharged with Honors - you can't find any
public
record and he won't show the 214, so you have no proof that he was.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...om_Reserve.pdf

Though I cannot find it officially, it was no state secret that Kerry
officially got an Honorable Discharge in March, 2001 from the Pentagon.
Honorable is Honorable, if you see Bush as serving Honorably, though
records
of a 6 month period of his duty is somehow not available, and he states
simply that he served.

You can't find record of it because the Military does not public DD-214's
and Kerry didn't want his public. Kerry was discharged in 76 if I recall
correctly, if he says the date is 2001 on his Honorable then it's a change
to his original status - his record on-file for his actual discharge would
indicate a true discharge data of 1976, not a changed discharge
disposition in 2001.

And he didn't expect to be in combat, by his own story, and he got out
by
PUTTING HIMSELF IN FOR THE PURPLE HEART WHILE ON DUTY, which only people
looking for a way out did. He planned the out very well and made sure
that
his paper cuts didn't hurt him to bad.

He's not a traitor, you need to prove the 214 thingie, not I, and he got
3
Purple hearts, not one. Whether he expected to be or not to be in combat
is

Actually, I don't need to prove anything, no Vet, myself included, that
got an Honorable discharge after service would feel any reason to hide
their DD-214 from the public when seeking a public office.

Yes, I know he got 3 of them, and he put himself in for ALL THREE OF THEM.

LOL, he didn't put himself in for them, his superiors have to do that, and
then award them. Prove it, show me where he put himself in for those medals.


irrelevant, he did do it though. Many men don't expect to be in combat,
that were in his position, but they had it anyway, so are they traitors
for having thoughts? He got his PHs from his superiors, and through the
proper methods. A wound is a wound, so tell your crap to others that
served honorably, that got PH(s) for paper cuts also, I bet you don't!

No, his actions don't say the same as his peers thoughts - his peers
didn't skip out by purposely dishonoring the purple heart medal. His
superiors DID NOT, and not one of them says they did, put him in for the
purple heart awards. A wound is only a wound if you need medical attention
and it take you out of action for any length of time - a scratch, while it
may count as a wound, if self inflicted is not really an wound, it's a
scam like most of his statements and actions in those days.

Again, like how you decribe word to mean other things is something only you
know what they mean. The military obviously gave Kerry his medals for the
reasons prescribed, so they are valed, regardless what you consider to be
having to have medical attention or not.


I was injured in the line of duty a number of times, even have a couple
scars to show for it, almost lost my life one time, but I never considered
it any more than just another days work and never asked for any special
treatment or any medals for it either. From what Kerry has said about his
injuries most people that spend 6 months state side in the Air Force have
more serious injuries than he did....

Who cares man! You want compare injuries, and you can't. It is like saying
people who are wounded more seriously should get a higher regard for their
service! WTF kind of thinking is that? When one is in combat, you get
wounded or you don't, but it doesn't take away from the combat status.


I have no problems with Honorable Vets, or even ones that didn't get an
Honorable discharge, but I do have a problem with a Public Servant trying
to use his dishonor to win votes and to hide his discharge from the public
he wants support from.Kerry was not given a honorable discharge, it's not
on file, and if you manage to find something dated other than 1976, it was
an amended discharge that was part of an Amnesty action by Carter for
people that skipped out to Canada and such, which didn't happen in 1976
either.

He was given an honorable discharge, cased closed, I showed you the document
dated 1978, and it was made official in 2001. You either respect or you
Honorable Discharges.

By the way, are you going to say Bush served honorably, though YOU KNOW he
skated out of doing Nam through connection to get himself ramped up to the
front of the line for eligibility for NG service, and that he was in Alabama
doing things not pertaining to NG duty.. Does that somehow denegrate your
service too?

Here is some info on that:
http://www.factcheck.org/article140.html


Now, when you get some facts come back and state them.

Fact: Kerry won't release his official service discharge paper-work from
76.

So, Bush cannot verufy his records of his (supposed) complete NG service,
but his word is OK?


Fact: Kerry put himself in for the Purple Hearts - his own words.


Prove it, other than the ads you see. By the way, did you see one of the
interviews where one of the soldiers that was with Kerry during one
particular, who claimed the battle didn't happen? This guy stated this
battle didn't happen, but Kerry got a Bronze Star for it, for pulling
afellow soldier from the water to safety during the gunfire. But this same
guy got a Bronze Star medal for that very same battle (that didn't happen.
He was asked why now, and why didn't he give the medal back, or turn it down
when it was to be awarded, he stated, He didn't why".


Fact: Kerry worked against the people he served with in propaganda
messages to the world through enemy meetings. Kerry tells about this in
his own writings, and he's proud of it.

So, don't we have freedoms, or are they limited to what you feel freedoms
should be? By the way, use age of the term "enemy meeting" is disingenuous
on your part. He didn't meet with the (then) enemy for helping them, but to
help resolve the conflict (as I understood it).


Fact: Kerry has nothing to stand for and believes in nothing except what
the particular group he's speaking to wants to hear, even when it
contradicts the speech/talks he game to the prior group the week before.

And then there is you!