Low Disk Space every boot

What is your exact version of Windows XP.

Have you downloaded TV programmes of the Internet?

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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rroentgen wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:44:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

This thread concerns low disk space. I was raising the possibility
that failure of proper cleanup of temporary files is one possible
reason for a full hard drive.


If anybody's hard drive gets full because of undeleted temporary
files, he is in *dire* need of more hard drive space. For almost
anyone, simply deleting temp files would makes so small a difference
as to be inconsequential. I've never seen any drive with enough
undeleted temporary files to make a significant difference in amount
of free space.

My winows/temp folder currently occupies 25Gigbytes and Disk Cleanup
tool will not remove them.

If the original poster has a regular virus scan in operation
then it seems to me possible that temporary files will never be
removed.

Gerry, do you have any opinion on my postulate that a virus scan, of
whatever brand (be it OneCare, Norton, McAfee, Whatever) results in
a file being marked as having been accessed at the time that it is
scanned.


I'm not Gerry, but let me point out that running a virus scan
followed by a quick look at your temp folder would demonstrate that
your "postulate" is false. I can't speak for *every* anti-virus
program, but I've never seen this occur.

I have done exactly this. After running Tuneup from Windows Live
OneCare(which includes a virus scan which it runs after running disk
cleanup) every one of the several hundred files in the Windows/temp
folder and all other files on the computer are marked as Date
Accessed as the date on which tune up was run. I am now waiting until
7 days have lapsed to run tuneup again to see if disk cleanup removes
the temporary files.


If it
does, then the disk cleanup utility that comes with windows XP will
not remove the temporary files if a virus scan has been done in the
last 7 days.


As I said above, anti-virus programs don't do that, so it doesn't
matter when the last scan was done.

But where did you get the idea that disk cleanup won't remove a
temporary file that's been accessed within the last seven days?
please cite a web page that states that, if you know one. If that's
true, it's news to me. As far as I know, the only rule preventing the
deletion of a temporary file is that it can't be deleted if it is
currently in use (open).


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/261897#top
Says that "The Disk Cleanup tool does not delete temporary files that
are less than seven days old" (although it says that this KB article
applies to windows Millenium)

http://www.pctipsbox.com/force-disk-...mporary-files/
Says...
"If you've ever run the Windows XP's Disk Cleanup utility, you
probably discovered that your temporary files occupy a significant
amount of space. You might select the Temporary Files check box in
order to allow the Disk Cleanup utility to delete the files in the
Temp folder, but the Disk Cleanup utility will not remove all of the
files. The reason for this oddity is that the configuration for the
Disk Cleanup utility does not allow deletion of files accessed in the
last seven days."




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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:00 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:



"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:44:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

This thread concerns low disk space. I was raising the possibility that
failure of proper cleanup of temporary files is one possible reason for a
full hard drive.


If anybody's hard drive gets full because of undeleted temporary
files, he is in *dire* need of more hard drive space. For almost
anyone, simply deleting temp files would makes so small a difference
as to be inconsequential. I've never seen any drive with enough
undeleted temporary files to make a significant difference in amount
of free space.

My winows/temp folder currently occupies 25Gigbytes and Disk Cleanup tool
will not remove them.


Why not? What happens when you try? Have you tried to remove them
manually? What happens when you try that?

25GB is an enormous size. I've never seen one that big.


But where did you get the idea that disk cleanup won't remove a
temporary file that's been accessed within the last seven days? please
cite a web page that states that, if you know one. If that's true,
it's news to me. As far as I know, the only rule preventing the
deletion of a temporary file is that it can't be deleted if it is
currently in use (open).


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/261897#top
Says that "The Disk Cleanup tool does not delete temporary files that are
less than seven days old" (although it says that this KB article applies to
windows Millenium)

http://www.pctipsbox.com/force-disk-...mporary-files/
Says...
"If you’ve ever run the Windows XP’s Disk Cleanup utility, you probably
discovered that your temporary files occupy a significant amount of space.
You might select the Temporary Files check box in order to allow the Disk
Cleanup utility to delete the files in the Temp folder, but the Disk Cleanup
utility will not remove all of the files. The reason for this oddity is that
the configuration for the Disk Cleanup utility does not allow deletion of
files accessed in the last seven days."


Then it looks like I am wrong about the seven days. Thanks for the
information.

The second link you provide talks about how to perform a registry edit
to remove the seven day restriction. That's probably a good thing to
do. The restriction makes no sense to me.

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"rroentgen" wrote in message
...


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:44:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

This thread concerns low disk space. I was raising the possibility that
failure of proper cleanup of temporary files is one possible reason for
a
full hard drive.


If anybody's hard drive gets full because of undeleted temporary
files, he is in *dire* need of more hard drive space. For almost
anyone, simply deleting temp files would makes so small a difference
as to be inconsequential. I've never seen any drive with enough
undeleted temporary files to make a significant difference in amount
of free space.

My winows/temp folder currently occupies 25Gigbytes and Disk Cleanup tool
will not remove them.

If the original poster has a regular virus scan in operation
then it seems to me possible that temporary files will never be
removed.

Gerry, do you have any opinion on my postulate that a virus scan, of
whatever brand (be it OneCare, Norton, McAfee, Whatever) results in a
file
being marked as having been accessed at the time that it is scanned.


I'm not Gerry, but let me point out that running a virus scan followed
by a quick look at your temp folder would demonstrate that your
"postulate" is false. I can't speak for *every* anti-virus program,
but I've never seen this occur.

I have done exactly this. After running Tuneup from Windows Live
OneCare(which includes a virus scan which it runs after running disk
cleanup)
every one of the several hundred files in the Windows/temp folder and all
other files on the computer are marked as Date Accessed as the date on
which
tune up was run. I am now waiting until 7 days have lapsed to run tuneup
again to see if disk cleanup removes the temporary files.


If it
does, then the disk cleanup utility that comes with windows XP will not
remove the temporary files if a virus scan has been done in the last 7
days.


As I said above, anti-virus programs don't do that, so it doesn't
matter when the last scan was done.

But where did you get the idea that disk cleanup won't remove a
temporary file that's been accessed within the last seven days? please
cite a web page that states that, if you know one. If that's true,
it's news to me. As far as I know, the only rule preventing the
deletion of a temporary file is that it can't be deleted if it is
currently in use (open).


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/261897#top
Says that "The Disk Cleanup tool does not delete temporary files that are
less than seven days old" (although it says that this KB article applies
to
windows Millenium)

http://www.pctipsbox.com/force-disk-...mporary-files/
Says...
"If you've ever run the Windows XP's Disk Cleanup utility, you probably
discovered that your temporary files occupy a significant amount of space.
You might select the Temporary Files check box in order to allow the Disk
Cleanup utility to delete the files in the Temp folder, but the Disk
Cleanup
utility will not remove all of the files. The reason for this oddity is
that
the configuration for the Disk Cleanup utility does not allow deletion of
files accessed in the last seven days."




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So, Disk Cleanup for whatever reason cannot clean out the windows\temp
folder on the OP's computer.
What happens when you try to delete the files manually?
What are the permissions on these files?
Jim

Ken

If you are advocating no restriction ( changing 7 to 0 ) then it could
important to advocate restarting the computer before running Disk
CleanUp. cCleaner defaults to 2 days. SFAIK AVG 7.5 Free does not change
access dates, which supports your earlier comments about anti-virus
programmes.

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Gerry
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:00 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:


The second link you provide talks about how to perform a registry edit
to remove the seven day restriction. That's probably a good thing to
do. The restriction makes no sense to me.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:22:11 +0100, "Gerry" wrote:

Ken

If you are advocating no restriction ( changing 7 to 0 ) then it could
important to advocate restarting the computer before running Disk
CleanUp.


Nope. Although I frequently see that advice, I disagree with it.
Restarting isn't necessary. The only temp file you should shouldn't
delete is one that is in use. And since Windows won't let you delete
an open file, it's safe to (try to) delete them all.

But one caveat to the above: note that there are some program
installations which work in two steps. The first step concludes by
writing temporary files and rebooting. The second step starts
automatically after rebooting and needs to find those files there (and
then deletes them when it's done).

As long as you're not doing the temp file deletion while in the middle
of such an installation, rebooting isn't necessary.


cCleaner defaults to 2 days. SFAIK AVG 7.5 Free does not change
access dates, which supports your earlier comments about anti-virus
programmes.

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Gerry
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:00 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:


The second link you provide talks about how to perform a registry edit
to remove the seven day restriction. That's probably a good thing to
do. The restriction makes no sense to me.


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Ken

I have noted your comments.

I posted feedback on Ramesh's web site earlier. There is a good
Article there about the Registry edit. It will be interesting to hear
what he has to say about the risks in setting it to zero.

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Gerry
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.. Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:22:11 +0100, "Gerry" wrote:

Ken

If you are advocating no restriction ( changing 7 to 0 ) then it
could important to advocate restarting the computer before running
Disk CleanUp.


Nope. Although I frequently see that advice, I disagree with it.
Restarting isn't necessary. The only temp file you should shouldn't
delete is one that is in use. And since Windows won't let you delete
an open file, it's safe to (try to) delete them all.

But one caveat to the above: note that there are some program
installations which work in two steps. The first step concludes by
writing temporary files and rebooting. The second step starts
automatically after rebooting and needs to find those files there (and
then deletes them when it's done).

As long as you're not doing the temp file deletion while in the middle
of such an installation, rebooting isn't necessary.


cCleaner defaults to 2 days. SFAIK AVG 7.5 Free does not change
access dates, which supports your earlier comments about anti-virus
programmes.

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Regards.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:00 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:


The second link you provide talks about how to perform a registry
edit to remove the seven day restriction. That's probably a good
thing to do. The restriction makes no sense to me.

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html

"Gerry" wrote:

Ken

If you are advocating no restriction ( changing 7 to 0 ) then it could
important to advocate restarting the computer before running Disk
CleanUp. cCleaner defaults to 2 days. SFAIK AVG 7.5 Free does not change
access dates, which supports your earlier comments about anti-virus
programmes.

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Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:44:00 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:


The second link you provide talks about how to perform a registry edit
to remove the seven day restriction. That's probably a good thing to
do. The restriction makes no sense to me.

Well AVG 7.5 Free does not!

Two people in the Forum "thought" it did! That's not conclusive
evidence. How did they check?


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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rroentgen wrote:
Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved
that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:14:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html



"Proved"? You call that "proved"?

That's a long way from proof to me.

It's *possible* that these people are correct that that particular
version of Norton (whatever it was; nobody says), back in 2005, did
this. I still doubt it.

And even if it did, that's a long way from saying that all antivirus
program do this.

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:14:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html



"Proved"? You call that "proved"?

That's a long way from proof to me.

It's *possible* that these people are correct that that particular
version of Norton (whatever it was; nobody says), back in 2005, did
this. I still doubt it.

And even if it did, that's a long way from saying that all antivirus
program do this.


By the way, I use Avast! here. I just checked the date accessed field
of a large folder with many files I access seldom. There are lots of
files there with dates from last year, and I know that I've done many
virus scans this year.

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I let Windows Live OneCare run its Tuneup this morning (this does
defragmentation disk cleanup and then a virus scan and some other odds and
ends). Before it ran I changed the virus scan option to exclude the
Windows/temp folder from the virus scan.

RESULT: checking a random selection of files this morning I find that EVERY
file on the computer is marked with "Date Accessed" as 16 August 2007 EXCEPT
for the files in the Windows/temp folder which by the way cleanup has not
removed.

Ken could you make enquiries of the OneCare team to see if they know
anuthing about this.

I will start a thread on the OneCare forum but from experience so far I
expect it will take some time to convince anyone there that there may be a
problem.

Kenneth Cooke
Strathfield, Australia

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:14:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html



"Proved"? You call that "proved"?

That's a long way from proof to me.

It's *possible* that these people are correct that that particular
version of Norton (whatever it was; nobody says), back in 2005, did
this. I still doubt it.

And even if it did, that's a long way from saying that all antivirus
program do this.


By the way, I use Avast! here. I just checked the date accessed field
of a large folder with many files I access seldom. There are lots of
files there with dates from last year, and I know that I've done many
virus scans this year.

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:05:26 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

I let Windows Live OneCare run its Tuneup this morning (this does
defragmentation disk cleanup and then a virus scan and some other odds and
ends). Before it ran I changed the virus scan option to exclude the
Windows/temp folder from the virus scan.

RESULT: checking a random selection of files this morning I find that EVERY
file on the computer is marked with "Date Accessed" as 16 August 2007 EXCEPT
for the files in the Windows/temp folder which by the way cleanup has not
removed.

Ken could you make enquiries of the OneCare team to see if they know
anuthing about this.


Sorry, no. I don't know anybody on the OneCare team, and have no
special access to anyone there.

Lest you think I'm a Microsoft employee, let me explain that I am not.
"Microsoft MVP" is an honorary title for having provided consistently
helpful advice, typically in these newsgroups.


I will start a thread on the OneCare forum but from experience so far I
expect it will take some time to convince anyone there that there may be a
problem.

Kenneth Cooke
Strathfield, Australia

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:14:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html



"Proved"? You call that "proved"?

That's a long way from proof to me.

It's *possible* that these people are correct that that particular
version of Norton (whatever it was; nobody says), back in 2005, did
this. I still doubt it.

And even if it did, that's a long way from saying that all antivirus
program do this.


By the way, I use Avast! here. I just checked the date accessed field
of a large folder with many files I access seldom. There are lots of
files there with dates from last year, and I know that I've done many
virus scans this year.

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You ask your questions about Windows Live OneCare he
http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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rroentgen wrote:
I let Windows Live OneCare run its Tuneup this morning (this does
defragmentation disk cleanup and then a virus scan and some other
odds and ends). Before it ran I changed the virus scan option to
exclude the Windows/temp folder from the virus scan.

RESULT: checking a random selection of files this morning I find that
EVERY file on the computer is marked with "Date Accessed" as 16
August 2007 EXCEPT for the files in the Windows/temp folder which by
the way cleanup has not removed.

Ken could you make enquiries of the OneCare team to see if they know
anuthing about this.

I will start a thread on the OneCare forum but from experience so far
I expect it will take some time to convince anyone there that there
may be a problem.

Kenneth Cooke
Strathfield, Australia

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:30:05 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:14:01 -0700, rroentgen
wrote:

Ken, Gerry,

Here is a discussion dating from 2005 in which it is noted and
proved that
Norton Antivirus DOES modify the "Date Accessed" property of a
file.


http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt...erties-qu.html




"Proved"? You call that "proved"?

That's a long way from proof to me.

It's *possible* that these people are correct that that particular
version of Norton (whatever it was; nobody says), back in 2005, did
this. I still doubt it.

And even if it did, that's a long way from saying that all antivirus
program do this.


By the way, I use Avast! here. I just checked the date accessed field
of a large folder with many files I access seldom. There are lots of
files there with dates from last year, and I know that I've done many
virus scans this year.

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Gerry, Ken,
Thanks for the interest you have both shown.
I will do further experimentation and then try the OneCare forum (thanks for
forum url Gerry). I will also try Avast.
I understand what an MVP is Ken. I assumed that Microsoft would have given
you guys some privileged line of contact to their software developers.

See you around and about.

Thanks
Kenneth Cooke