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Alister
That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is that the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of the disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term benefits in that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation of free disk space. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alister wrote: On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" wrote: Robert An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. snip Hi, Could I suggest you take a look at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to make a difference to both pagefile and registry fragmentation. It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on boot up. Alister |
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On Dec 3, 9:12 am, "Gerry" wrote:
Alister That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is that the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of the disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term benefits in that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation of free disk space. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alister wrote: On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" wrote: Robert An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. snip Hi, Could I suggest you take a look at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to make a difference to both pagefile and registry fragmentation. It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on boot up. Alister Yes, sorry Gerry, I was not suggesting that Pagedefrag was the cure of all ills :-) However if the OP follows the instructions you gave first regarding the removal and recreation of the pagefile he can use pagedefrag in the future to prevent or reduce the likelihood of a recurrence of the problem. Cheers Alister |
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Alister
The need for that would depend on the pagefile settings. If the pagefile setting is as I suggested it will not fragmenter further. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alister wrote: On Dec 3, 9:12 am, "Gerry" wrote: Alister That utility can be helpful. The problem in Robert's situation is that the disk is so full that other files have taken up the space the pagefile normally occupies. If the pagefile reoccupies the middle of the disk it can be fixed in that position. This brings long term benefits in that the pagefile ceases to contribute to fragmentation of free disk space. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alister wrote: On Dec 2, 11:41 pm, "Gerry" wrote: Robert An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. snip Hi, Could I suggest you take a look at http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx I have used this on a number of our XP clients and it does seem to make a difference to both pagefile and registry fragmentation. It has a pretty GUI to set it up, but runs as a command line util on boot up. Alister Yes, sorry Gerry, I was not suggesting that Pagedefrag was the cure of all ills :-) However if the OP follows the instructions you gave first regarding the removal and recreation of the pagefile he can use pagedefrag in the future to prevent or reduce the likelihood of a recurrence of the problem. Cheers Alister |
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Gerry wrote:
Robert An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. This is probably scattered across the drive causing the free space to be equally fragmented. The pagefile is of course an immovable file. You also only have 20% free space. You need something approaching 60% free space to achieve a single contiguous pagefile. It should, however, be possible to achieve a considerable improvement. You need to maximise the free disk space before running disk defragmenter again. You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of folders. They can be relocated back after the exercise has been completed. For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder. To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change. http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from he http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p.../powertoys.asp In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change Location button. Next I am not clear how you are cleaning out redundant files. The most effective way is cCleaner. An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once. http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp http://www.ccleaner.com/ With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also offers backup before removal. When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so that they can easily be re-entered. Leave the Scan for Issues option alone. Now the two big savings to temporarily win free disk space. Turn off monitoring by System Restore. The second is to set the pagefile to no pagefile and reboot the computer. You should have doubled your free disk space to 40% perhaps more. Another idea might be to temporarily increase your C partition to 16 gb which would take your free disk space to 50% to 60%. If you do this do it before you eliminate the pagefile. You should then run Disk Defragmenter and as soon as it has finished set your pagefile to a minimum and maximum of 1.4 gb and restart the computer. You do not want Windows to manage the pagefile as using that setting causes the pagefile file to fragment. The next step is to reset System Restore to monitor your C partition (it should not be monitoring other partitions). The folders you moved earlier can be moved back to C. If you do not change the pagefile setting it will either stay as a single contiguous file if you have been totally successful or with the number of fragments you have achieved. As a consequence the free space on C will less fragmented and it will be much easier to defragment files in future. Thanks so much. that gives me plenty to work on. I already use CCleaner regularly I have several key folders "off" C:\ partition and on a Data partition already so not a lot of manouevre there I have System Restore trimmed down, and Temp Internet files also very low already. I may be able to get rid of the Symantec Live Update as I don't really need that anymore with no more Symantec programs left I may just bite the bullet and do a bit more sliding of free space with BootIt and then try your page file trick. I was trying to avoid it because it is so time consuming! Once again - thanks. -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot easier once achieved. Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new dedicated partition. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert M Jones wrote: Gerry wrote: Robert An interesting Disk Defragmenter Report. The problem could be the fragmented pagefile. This is probably scattered across the drive causing the free space to be equally fragmented. The pagefile is of course an immovable file. You also only have 20% free space. You need something approaching 60% free space to achieve a single contiguous pagefile. It should, however, be possible to achieve a considerable improvement. You need to maximise the free disk space before running disk defragmenter again. You can generate more space in the system partition by relocation of folders. They can be relocated back after the exercise has been completed. For Temporary Internet Files select Start, Control Panel, Internet Options, Temporary Internet Files. Settings, Move Folder. To move the Outlook Express Store Folder select in Outlook Express Tools, Options, Maintenance, Store Folder, Change. http://www.tomsterdam.com/insideoe/files/store.htm My Documents is one of a number of system created Special Folders including My Pictures and My Music. These can more easily be relocated using Tweak Ui. Download TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys, from he http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p.../powertoys.asp In TweakUi select My Computer, Special Folders. You can scroll down to see the full list of Special Folders to the left of the Change Location button. Next I am not clear how you are cleaning out redundant files. The most effective way is cCleaner. An alternative to Disk CleanUp is cCleaner (freeware) which does a more thorough job than Disk CleanUp. Disk CleanUp has to be run for each user profile, whereas cCleaner only needs to be run once. http://www.ccleaner.com/ccdownload.asp http://www.ccleaner.com/ With any cleaner you need to proceed with caution. To be safe you should create a restore point before using cCleaner. cCleaner also offers backup before removal. When using cCleaner think twice before checking Autocomplete Form History under Internet Explorer. You do get a warning but this one has irritating consequences. You may need to restore your system's recollection of passwords after use so keep a record off computer so that they can easily be re-entered. Leave the Scan for Issues option alone. Now the two big savings to temporarily win free disk space. Turn off monitoring by System Restore. The second is to set the pagefile to no pagefile and reboot the computer. You should have doubled your free disk space to 40% perhaps more. Another idea might be to temporarily increase your C partition to 16 gb which would take your free disk space to 50% to 60%. If you do this do it before you eliminate the pagefile. You should then run Disk Defragmenter and as soon as it has finished set your pagefile to a minimum and maximum of 1.4 gb and restart the computer. You do not want Windows to manage the pagefile as using that setting causes the pagefile file to fragment. The next step is to reset System Restore to monitor your C partition (it should not be monitoring other partitions). The folders you moved earlier can be moved back to C. If you do not change the pagefile setting it will either stay as a single contiguous file if you have been totally successful or with the number of fragments you have achieved. As a consequence the free space on C will less fragmented and it will be much easier to defragment files in future. Thanks so much. that gives me plenty to work on. I already use CCleaner regularly I have several key folders "off" C:\ partition and on a Data partition already so not a lot of manouevre there I have System Restore trimmed down, and Temp Internet files also very low already. I may be able to get rid of the Symantec Live Update as I don't really need that anymore with no more Symantec programs left I may just bite the bullet and do a bit more sliding of free space with BootIt and then try your page file trick. I was trying to avoid it because it is so time consuming! Once again - thanks. |
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Robert If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot easier once achieved. Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new dedicated partition. I tried your suggestions today - switching off system restore, and setting page file to NO. I then got free space to 24% but there was absolutely NO effect on my defrag performance - still a load of fragmented files that could not be fragmented - the only difference was that all the "green" (immoveable) sectors disappeared - presumably they were the ones that were part of the page file. So it looks like I am going to have to do the partition sliding sometime when I have loads of time available. Thanks for your help - much appreciated. -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore only results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter report showed 20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please post a further Disk Defragmenter Report. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert M Jones wrote: Gerry wrote: Robert If you get a good result the pagefile setting can make life a lot easier once achieved. Another option, if you have a second drive, is to create a dedicated pagefile partition at the start of the drive. You then reduce the pagefile on C to a fixed 50 mb and put the main pagefile in your new dedicated partition. I tried your suggestions today - switching off system restore, and setting page file to NO. I then got free space to 24% but there was absolutely NO effect on my defrag performance - still a load of fragmented files that could not be fragmented - the only difference was that all the "green" (immoveable) sectors disappeared - presumably they were the ones that were part of the page file. So it looks like I am going to have to do the partition sliding sometime when I have loads of time available. Thanks for your help - much appreciated. |
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Robert I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore only results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter report showed 20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please post a further Disk Defragmenter Report. I did some more deleting and fiddling and got free space up to about 40% including switching off system restore and the page file. I then tried another defrag in my Admin account with that amount of free space, But it made no difference to defrag - still is having virtually no effect on the fragmentation on C: I can see some further files that I can delete ormove (I will move that huge pdf file), but would like guidance on others Firstly - all those msp files: and the 2 Skype msi files and \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp. zip \Program Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr \Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar How vital are those? My current Java is update 11 Here's the report you asked for Volume WindowsXP (C Volume size = 12.50 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 7.42 GB Free space = 5.08 GB Percent free space = 40 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 9 % File fragmentation = 17 % Free space fragmentation = 1 % File fragmentation Total files = 43,880 Average file size = 256 KB Total fragmented files = 63 Total excess fragments = 8,242 Average fragments per file = 1.18 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 5,303 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 54 MB MFT record count = 49,366 Percent MFT in use = 89 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented 95 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cfe9d9.msp 113 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\376eacd.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104cb.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029c0.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\242282b9.msp 343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp 132 12 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\xs4rw30u.default\Mail\Lo cal Folders\Sent 112 13 MB \WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386\lang\hwxjpn.dll 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104e2.msp 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\5d27f56.msp 146 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104b4.msp 147 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029a9.msp 223 15 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\url classifier3.sqlite 67 16 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\Cac he\04C0FD88d01 176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp 498 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp 191 17 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi 209 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi 270 17 MB \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software 279 17 MB \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp. zip 68 23 MB \Program Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr 74 27 MB \Program Files\MSECACHE\O2007Cnv\1033\O12Conv.cab 97 27 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\552f80.msi 100 41 MB \Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar 490 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar 812 51 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ssq91pui.proxy profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite 804 53 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\url classifier3.sqlite 762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\url classifier3.sqlite 59 59 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\My Documents\Railway Timetables\CompleteTimetable.pdf 143 114 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cafb1d.msp Once again - many thanks for the help. -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled which is why I have not responded earlier. msp files are patchs. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...78(VS.85).aspx My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether the" in use" suggestion is credible. I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert M Jones wrote: Gerry wrote: Robert I do not understand why no pagefile and turning off System Restore only results in 24% free space when your last Disk Defragmenter report showed 20% free space! It should be much more. Can you please post a further Disk Defragmenter Report. I did some more deleting and fiddling and got free space up to about 40% including switching off system restore and the page file. I then tried another defrag in my Admin account with that amount of free space, But it made no difference to defrag - still is having virtually no effect on the fragmentation on C: I can see some further files that I can delete ormove (I will move that huge pdf file), but would like guidance on others Firstly - all those msp files: and the 2 Skype msi files and \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp. zip \Program Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr \Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar How vital are those? My current Java is update 11 Here's the report you asked for Volume WindowsXP (C Volume size = 12.50 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 7.42 GB Free space = 5.08 GB Percent free space = 40 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 9 % File fragmentation = 17 % Free space fragmentation = 1 % File fragmentation Total files = 43,880 Average file size = 256 KB Total fragmented files = 63 Total excess fragments = 8,242 Average fragments per file = 1.18 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 5,303 Fragmented folders = 1 Excess folder fragments = 0 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 54 MB MFT record count = 49,366 Percent MFT in use = 89 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented 95 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cfe9d9.msp 113 11 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\376eacd.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104cb.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029c0.msp 106 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\242282b9.msp 343 12 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5039.msp 132 12 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\xs4rw30u.default\Mail\Lo cal Folders\Sent 112 13 MB \WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386\lang\hwxjpn.dll 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104e2.msp 124 13 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\5d27f56.msp 146 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\17104b4.msp 147 14 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\4f029a9.msp 223 15 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\url classifier3.sqlite 67 16 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\Cac he\04C0FD88d01 176 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\122241b.msp 498 16 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\1b5b5022.msp 191 17 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi 209 17 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Skype\{5C82DAE5-6EB0-4374-9254-BE3319BA4E82}\Skype.msi 270 17 MB \WINDOWS\repair\RegBack\software 279 17 MB \WINDOWS\Internet Logs\vsmon_on_demand_2008_11_25_00_14_18_full.dmp. zip 68 23 MB \Program Files\Common Files\SpeechEngines\Microsoft\SR\1033\l1033.ngr 74 27 MB \Program Files\MSECACHE\O2007Cnv\1033\O12Conv.cab 97 27 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\552f80.msi 100 41 MB \Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_07\lib\rt.jar 490 42 MB \Program Files\Java\jre6\lib\rt.jar 812 51 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ssq91pui.proxy profile\urlclassifier3.sqlite 804 53 MB \Documents and Settings\***** user\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6hejn3cy.default\url classifier3.sqlite 762 53 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6glr2jvm.default\url classifier3.sqlite 59 59 MB \Documents and Settings\Other users\My Documents\Railway Timetables\CompleteTimetable.pdf 143 114 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\cafb1d.msp Once again - many thanks for the help. |
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Gerry wrote:
Robert I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled which is why I have not responded earlier. msp files are patchs. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...78(VS.85).aspx My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether the" in use" suggestion is credible. I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then switched off system restore and switched off page filing and restarted in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this left C:\ partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space. I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there were NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those files - the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few others. Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly appreciated. With the partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, obviously the page file is. -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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Robert M Jones wrote:
Gerry wrote: Robert I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled which is why I have not responded earlier. msp files are patchs. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...78(VS.85).aspx My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether the" in use" suggestion is credible. I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then switched off system restore and switched off page filing and restarted in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this left C:\ partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space. I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there were NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those files - the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few others. Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly appreciated. With the partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, obviously the page file is. Just to say that I downloaded Defraggler.exe and it has done a fair bit to solve my problem, although I still have been unable to obtain a large enough block of free space at the end of my drive to insert a congiguous 1437MB fixed pagefile.sys Seems many others on the defraggler forums have the same issue - the defrag free space option doesn't completely defrag free space. But at least now the pagefile.sys is the ONLY fragmented file and it is in three sections only. Never did work out why I couldn't defrag all those msi and msp files using the XP defrag utility. Tried everything suggested and thanks to those who made suggestions. I finally got down to about 45% free space and the XP defrag still couldn't do the job with or without pagefile.sys or System Restore. -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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defragmentation issues in XP
Robert
Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files were so fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think is that the patchs were installed when the system was significantly fragmented. I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just downloaded and tested. An interesting tool. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert M Jones wrote: Robert M Jones wrote: Gerry wrote: Robert I did some further research on your problem. It still has me puzzled which is why I have not responded earlier. msp files are patchs. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...78(VS.85).aspx My feeling is that you should not remove them. In Google I found one report suggesting that Disk Defragmenter cannot defragment an msp file because it is in use. However I have a number of msp files on my computer which are not fragmented and this leads me to doubt whether the" in use" suggestion is credible. I would try running Disk Defragmenter in Safe Mode Please let me know if this suggestion make any difference. Okay I've tried this - I went into Safe Mode, and chose the Default Admin account rather than my "created" adminstrator account, and then switched off system restore and switched off page filing and restarted in safe mode again, in the Default Admin account - this left C:\ partition at 12.5GB with 5.33GB free space, 42% free space. I ran defrag on C:\ again and got exactly the same results - the same list of files that could not be defragmented. After analysis there were NO unmoveable files, but the defrag is still not touching those files - the list seems to be the same - mostly msp files and a few others. Any further advice (or places to go next) greatly appreciated. With the partition in the state that it is, my page file when created is obviously fragmented at the point of re-creation. - while most of the files don't seem to be files that Windows would be analysing, obviously the page file is. Just to say that I downloaded Defraggler.exe and it has done a fair bit to solve my problem, although I still have been unable to obtain a large enough block of free space at the end of my drive to insert a congiguous 1437MB fixed pagefile.sys Seems many others on the defraggler forums have the same issue - the defrag free space option doesn't completely defrag free space. But at least now the pagefile.sys is the ONLY fragmented file and it is in three sections only. Never did work out why I couldn't defrag all those msi and msp files using the XP defrag utility. Tried everything suggested and thanks to those who made suggestions. I finally got down to about 45% free space and the XP defrag still couldn't do the job with or without pagefile.sys or System Restore. |
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defragmentation issues in XP
Gerry wrote:
Robert Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files were so fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think is that the patchs were installed when the system was significantly fragmented. I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just downloaded and tested. An interesting tool. Thanks for trying Gerry. I did eventually move all the installer files that were fragmented to another partition temporarily, but that didn't make much difference to what the XP defrag utility could do. Even with about 46% free space and no system restore files and no page file, it still seemed unable to defrag the drive properly. Defraggler seems to do a much better job although others on forums seem also to have difficulty getting it to defrag the last two or three files and having fragmented free space seems very difficult to avoid - hence the difficulty of getting that unfragmented page file. As I have bought myself an external hard drive for Christmas, I may get more adventurous as I can now easily image the C:\ partition to the external drive with BootIt (TM) before any experiments. Once again thanks. See you back on BT group! -- Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria) http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420 |
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defragmentation issues in XP
Robert
I have been playing with Defraggler. It is quick. Although it gives a lot of information it does not report on the pagefile or the MFT. I have also noticed that it reports the volume as defragmented and if you then analyse the drive using Disk Defragmenter you get a report saying there are fragments. One defragmenter which consolidates free space is Perfect Disk. This has long had a good name but you pay $40 for the privilege. http://www.raxco.com/home_office/hom...ofessional.cfm -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert M Jones wrote: Gerry wrote: Robert Your problem defeated me. I do not understand why your msp files were so fragmented. The only explanation remaining that I can think is that the patchs were installed when the system was significantly fragmented. I did not realise defraggler was freeware. I just downloaded and tested. An interesting tool. Thanks for trying Gerry. I did eventually move all the installer files that were fragmented to another partition temporarily, but that didn't make much difference to what the XP defrag utility could do. Even with about 46% free space and no system restore files and no page file, it still seemed unable to defrag the drive properly. Defraggler seems to do a much better job although others on forums seem also to have difficulty getting it to defrag the last two or three files and having fragmented free space seems very difficult to avoid - hence the difficulty of getting that unfragmented page file. As I have bought myself an external hard drive for Christmas, I may get more adventurous as I can now easily image the C:\ partition to the external drive with BootIt (TM) before any experiments. Once again thanks. See you back on BT group! |
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