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SP2 drove me to open source
Jason;
If you did the same before and everything worked fine then you apparently have a bad install this time. Since you just installed, the best solution may be to start over instead of taking the time to find and fix the problem -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... Frankly you both are juvenille but I sure would like to figure out why a fresh install of XP Pro with SP2 applied right after the install has left me with a machine that can't seem to find device drivers for new hardware that is plugged in to it. Trying to add a sidewinder usb joystick and an iPod(firewire and usb) results in the hardware wizard failing for both, saying it can't find the drivers. Any tips for that or just more of the same? Sadly I've done the same exact install before and everything worked just fine. |
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That's assinine that re-installing would be the answer. Surely this can
be figured out without me having to get every cd out again and going through this process once more. I don't want to be punished for going against my instict. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; If you did the same before and everything worked fine then you apparently have a bad install this time. Since you just installed, the best solution may be to start over instead of taking the time to find and fix the problem |
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Did you install the chipset drivers for your motherboard this second go
round? Greg "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... Frankly you both are juvenille but I sure would like to figure out why a fresh install of XP Pro with SP2 applied right after the install has left me with a machine that can't seem to find device drivers for new hardware that is plugged in to it. Trying to add a sidewinder usb joystick and an iPod(firewire and usb) results in the hardware wizard failing for both, saying it can't find the drivers. Any tips for that or just more of the same? Sadly I've done the same exact install before and everything worked just fine. lesjf wrote: well thats great boohoo. I'm 100% behind bill and his team and am very pleased with sp2. if you have had problems it probly cause your not taking care of your systems and if you think you are your probly doing a half assed job at it. thats all i got to say about that forest "velozoom30" wrote: Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. |
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Jason;
Well, that is your opinion and you are free to maintain your computer as you see fit. How much time have you spent on this current issue vs. how much time to reinstall on a system that is still a new install? The suggestion is given since your installation is so new. In such cases, it is often much quicker to start over rather than spend the time troubleshooting and possibly reinstall anyways. If you want a more precise solution to otherwise resolve your issue, you need to post the details you have so far left out such as hardware configuration. With the details, someone may be able to give a specific answer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... That's assinine that re-installing would be the answer. Surely this can be figured out without me having to get every cd out again and going through this process once more. I don't want to be punished for going against my instict. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; If you did the same before and everything worked fine then you apparently have a bad install this time. Since you just installed, the best solution may be to start over instead of taking the time to find and fix the problem |
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All the drivers are from Microsoft, off the XP CD or from Windows update.
Greg Burns wrote: Did you install the chipset drivers for your motherboard this second go round? Greg "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... Frankly you both are juvenille but I sure would like to figure out why a fresh install of XP Pro with SP2 applied right after the install has left me with a machine that can't seem to find device drivers for new hardware that is plugged in to it. Trying to add a sidewinder usb joystick and an iPod(firewire and usb) results in the hardware wizard failing for both, saying it can't find the drivers. Any tips for that or just more of the same? Sadly I've done the same exact install before and everything worked just fine. lesjf wrote: well thats great boohoo. I'm 100% behind bill and his team and am very pleased with sp2. if you have had problems it probly cause your not taking care of your systems and if you think you are your probly doing a half assed job at it. thats all i got to say about that forest "velozoom30" wrote: Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. |
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Jason;
You are usually better off getting the drivers directly from the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft gets the drivers from the manufacturers. Tests are performed at the manufacturers expense and only then does Microsoft release them. This and other reasons often lead to newer drivers being available from the hardware manufacturer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... All the drivers are from Microsoft, off the XP CD or from Windows update. Greg Burns wrote: Did you install the chipset drivers for your motherboard this second go round? Greg |
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It's my opinion that something should work right consistently?
Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+(runs at 1.87Ghz) 512 MB RAM 60 GB hard drive DVD-CDRW drive 2 USB 1.1 ports 1 Firewire 400 port National Semi DP83815 (MacPhyter) 10/100 Ethernet ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device ALi Corporation M5457 AC-Link Modem PS/2 mouse port RS-232(serial) port Parallel port VGA out S-VHS out 1 CardBus slot All the drivers come from the Original XP install or Windows update, all my hardware was supported by XP out of the box. Basically I've done all the monkey boy check lists, I need more expertise than following the scripts. I've done the uninstall/reinstall the software schtick. I want to know why XP, when it run the new hardware wizard says, it can't find the drivers for anything I've plugged in. I'd just like to get real answers instead of stabs in the dark. The problem is there doesn't seem to be a real answer, just stabs in the dark. It is a default install of XP Pro with XP SP2 applied and nothing other than drivers distributed by Microsoft. If something went wrong during any of the installation or subsequent install of SP2 there was no notification. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; Well, that is your opinion and you are free to maintain your computer as you see fit. How much time have you spent on this current issue vs. how much time to reinstall on a system that is still a new install? The suggestion is given since your installation is so new. In such cases, it is often much quicker to start over rather than spend the time troubleshooting and possibly reinstall anyways. If you want a more precise solution to otherwise resolve your issue, you need to post the details you have so far left out such as hardware configuration. With the details, someone may be able to give a specific answer. |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Jason; You are usually better off getting the drivers directly from the hardware manufacturers. Microsoft gets the drivers from the manufacturers. Tests are performed at the manufacturers expense and only then does Microsoft release them. This and other reasons often lead to newer drivers being available from the hardware manufacturer. So you are telling me that Microsoft distributes drivers it doesn't test with it's operating system and subsequent updates? |
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Jason;
I never said that, you just did. Microsoft only tests the drivers sent by the manufacturers at the manufacturers expense. There are often newer drivers available from the manufacturers. Read my post again for what I said. It is difficult to test anything for compatibility issues with "subsequent updates" since often the update does not exist when the driver is submitted to Microsoft for testing. Try the latest driver from the manufacturer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... So you are telling me that Microsoft distributes drivers it doesn't test with it's operating system and subsequent updates? |
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"Jason Bowen" wrote in message
... It's my opinion that something should work right consistently? Mobile Athlon XP-M 2400+(runs at 1.87Ghz) 512 MB RAM 60 GB hard drive DVD-CDRW drive 2 USB 1.1 ports 1 Firewire 400 port National Semi DP83815 (MacPhyter) 10/100 Ethernet ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device ALi Corporation M5457 AC-Link Modem PS/2 mouse port RS-232(serial) port Parallel port VGA out S-VHS out 1 CardBus slot All the drivers come from the Original XP install or Windows update, all my hardware was supported by XP out of the box. Basically I've done all the monkey boy check lists, I need more expertise than following the scripts. I've done the uninstall/reinstall the software schtick. I want to know why XP, when it run the new hardware wizard says, it can't find the drivers for anything I've plugged in. I'd just like to get real answers instead of stabs in the dark. The problem is there doesn't seem to be a real answer, just stabs in the dark. It is a default install of XP Pro with XP SP2 applied and nothing other than drivers distributed by Microsoft. If something went wrong during any of the installation or subsequent install of SP2 there was no notification. Jason Is this a laptop? If so it will need the drivers from the manufacturer or at least the chipset manufacturer. It is very rare to see a laptop that works properly with a generic XP install. If you don't have the disk that came with it check the web for drivers. So far I have always been able to get the right drivers on the web but it sometimes is quite a hunt for generic laptops. I've had to strip them down so I could physically identify the motherboard. Laptop manufacturers routinely ship with slightly modified Windows installations to support their non-standard hardware. Expecting Microsoft to support non-standard hardware is unrealistic. Also calling most of the people on this newsgroup "monkey boys" isn't a great way to ask for help. Diagnosing complex problems by newsgroups will always be a stab in the dark. If you want better support talk to the manufacturer of your computer. If this is not a laptop please ignore my post :-) Other than the monkey boy part :-) Kerry |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Jason; I never said that, you just did. Microsoft only tests the drivers sent by the manufacturers at the manufacturers expense. There are often newer drivers available from the manufacturers. Read my post again for what I said. It is difficult to test anything for compatibility issues with "subsequent updates" since often the update does not exist when the driver is submitted to Microsoft for testing. Try the latest driver from the manufacturer. There are wires crossed here. I only have drivers from Microsoft, including the ones from Windows Update or the ones distributed with SP2. I have no drivers from any other source. Shouldn't these all be tested? |
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Jason;
Yes, they were tested at some point. As to whether they are compatible with SP-2 is difficult to say. Are the drivers dated before or after the release of SP-2? If you used these same drivers before, they should still work. Anything can get corrupted and there is nothing anyone can do anywhere with anything that can permanently eliminate chances of corruption. In any event drivers is a good place to start since a reinstall is not an option for you. Start with chipset and any other motherboard drivers from the manufacturer. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; I never said that, you just did. Microsoft only tests the drivers sent by the manufacturers at the manufacturers expense. There are often newer drivers available from the manufacturers. Read my post again for what I said. It is difficult to test anything for compatibility issues with "subsequent updates" since often the update does not exist when the driver is submitted to Microsoft for testing. Try the latest driver from the manufacturer. There are wires crossed here. I only have drivers from Microsoft, including the ones from Windows Update or the ones distributed with SP2. I have no drivers from any other source. Shouldn't these all be tested? |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Jason; Yes, they were tested at some point. As to whether they are compatible with SP-2 is difficult to say. Are the drivers dated before or after the release of SP-2? If you used these same drivers before, they should still work. Anything can get corrupted and there is nothing anyone can do anywhere with anything that can permanently eliminate chances of corruption. In any event drivers is a good place to start since a reinstall is not an option for you. Start with chipset and any other motherboard drivers from the manufacturer. I re-installed, did the same install path I always did and everything worked. The issue is that I have always taken this XP Pro CD and installed it and just used the drivers from the XP CD and Windows update. It is a laptop and the manufacturer, Compaq, didn't have any "motherboard" drivers, just drivers for sound, video, modem etc. The files they provide are the same I got from Windows update, I compared the files installed and the driver versions. I could find no reason for the behavior of the last install and this is precisely why people get frustrated with Microsoft. I am an operating system hobbyist, like to play with whatever I can get my hands on, and I've never had the issue be uninstall/reinstall ad nauseum with other operating systems. It's simply unacceptable and smacks of poor software engineering. |
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"Jason Bowen" wrote in message
... Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; Yes, they were tested at some point. As to whether they are compatible with SP-2 is difficult to say. Are the drivers dated before or after the release of SP-2? If you used these same drivers before, they should still work. Anything can get corrupted and there is nothing anyone can do anywhere with anything that can permanently eliminate chances of corruption. In any event drivers is a good place to start since a reinstall is not an option for you. Start with chipset and any other motherboard drivers from the manufacturer. I re-installed, did the same install path I always did and everything worked. The issue is that I have always taken this XP Pro CD and installed it and just used the drivers from the XP CD and Windows update. It is a laptop and the manufacturer, Compaq, didn't have any "motherboard" drivers, just drivers for sound, video, modem etc. The files they provide are the same I got from Windows update, I compared the files installed and the driver versions. I could find no reason for the behavior of the last install and this is precisely why people get frustrated with Microsoft. I am an operating system hobbyist, like to play with whatever I can get my hands on, and I've never had the issue be uninstall/reinstall ad nauseum with other operating systems. It's simply unacceptable and smacks of poor software engineering. Have you tried installing Linux on the laptop? Did it work immediately? Nothing against Linux, just using it as an example. Operating systems are complex. Laptops have non-standard hardware. It is very rare to install an OS on a laptop and not have to do some tweaking. Compaq should have shipped a recovery CD with the laptop. That is the only OS guaranteed to run on it. Blame Compaq (the original OS supplier), not Microsoft or any other OS supplier. I find that in cases like you describe it is usually a dirty/scratched CD or marginal drive. The OS seems to install Ok but something is not right. Reinstalling with a different CD or cleaning the CD and reinstalling usually fixes it. It's a stab in the dark but based on my experience it could be close to the mark. Glad to hear you got it going. Kerry |
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Kerry Brown wrote:
"Jason Bowen" wrote in message ... Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: Jason; Yes, they were tested at some point. As to whether they are compatible with SP-2 is difficult to say. Are the drivers dated before or after the release of SP-2? If you used these same drivers before, they should still work. Anything can get corrupted and there is nothing anyone can do anywhere with anything that can permanently eliminate chances of corruption. In any event drivers is a good place to start since a reinstall is not an option for you. Start with chipset and any other motherboard drivers from the manufacturer. I re-installed, did the same install path I always did and everything worked. The issue is that I have always taken this XP Pro CD and installed it and just used the drivers from the XP CD and Windows update. It is a laptop and the manufacturer, Compaq, didn't have any "motherboard" drivers, just drivers for sound, video, modem etc. The files they provide are the same I got from Windows update, I compared the files installed and the driver versions. I could find no reason for the behavior of the last install and this is precisely why people get frustrated with Microsoft. I am an operating system hobbyist, like to play with whatever I can get my hands on, and I've never had the issue be uninstall/reinstall ad nauseum with other operating systems. It's simply unacceptable and smacks of poor software engineering. Have you tried installing Linux on the laptop? Did it work immediately? Yep, it actually did. The only thing that wasn't supported was the winmodem and support for it can be bought for $15. There is a difference between supporting hardware and the operating system not working correctly. Like I've said, I've never had such a solution for any other operating system. OpenBSD installed smoothly on this laptop. Nothing against Linux, just using it as an example. Operating systems are complex. Laptops have non-standard hardware. The chipset is used by other laptops, the cpu is, the winmodem is, the soundcard is... What do you define as standard? The manufacturers all made windows drivers available for the hardware. It is very rare to install an OS on a laptop and not have to do some tweaking. Compaq should have shipped a recovery CD with the laptop. That is the only OS guaranteed to run on it. Blame Compaq (the original OS supplier), not Microsoft or any other OS supplier. I find that in cases like you describe it is usually a dirty/scratched CD or marginal drive. The OS seems to install Ok but something is not right. Reinstalling with a different CD or cleaning the CD and reinstalling usually fixes it. It's a stab in the dark but based on my experience it could be close to the mark. Sorry but what you describe happening should be caught, a scratched cd won't read and the drives have error detection taking place. It's all hand waving really. I know about uninstall/reinstall/wash/rinse/repeat, I came here looking for something more in depth. Glad to hear you got it going. Kerry |
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