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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
Did you reset the cable modem. ???? Connect to the computer and unplug the power source to the modem in the back for 5-10 seconds and plug it back on. Now open your computer and it will recognize the modem and vica versa
-- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "RobertVA" wrote in message ... Main issue is a problem getting a relative's new computer to connect to the Internet. The relative has been operating a non-branded Windows 2000 computer for several years with an Ethernet cable connecting the computer directly to a cable modem. That computer developed registry problems that it cannot recover from with the "last known good configuration" option. Windows 2000 can't start in safe mode either. The relative doesn't have a Windows 2000 installation CD and there's no indication there's a recovery partition on the small hard drive. She decided to acquire a replacement computer. The new Vista Home Premium SP1 64 bit computer doesn't appear to be recognizing the IP address setting from the ISP. As a result the Internet is inaccessible and the computer is reporting limited connectivity to an "Unidentified network". By comparison to articles on the ISP's web site (obtained and printed out on another computer at another location) the cable modem is connected to the computer in the recommended way (directly with a standard cat 5 cable) and the various TCP/IP settings are as the ISP recommends. As prompted in a telephone conversation with one of the ISP's customer service representatives I rechecked the TCP/IP settings, disconnected and reconnected the Ethernet cable at both ends and cycled the power on the cable modem to reset it. the CS representative reset the modem via remote control as well and indicated that his terminal indicated that the computer's network adapter was visible through the cable modem. All the resets, power cycling and cable reconnect ions resulted in the computer reporting the disconnection and attempt to renegotiate the connect. Unfortunately the computer always resumed the "limited connectivity" to the "unknown network" The relevance to the Windows XP group IS coming! MY computer is running Windows XP SP2 and I am using a different brand cable modem with dual USB and Ethernet interfaces (same ISP). When I upgraded to broadband I was using the USB connection between the computer and cable modem (loading a driver was required). I later acquired a router and the additional cables to connect the components. The computer had no problem detecting the different connection. With the intention of taking my computer to my relative's residence to see if her cable modem was working properly I bypassed my router. With the same Ethernet cable I normally use between the router and the computer connected directly to MY cable modem in my residence my windows XP computer appeared to be having the same problem the relative's new Vista computer was having! My settings also correspond to those listed in the ISP's web article. Not wanting to spoil my settings for operating through the router I am reluctant to make any changes to my computer's settings. I haven't had the opportunity to try the router on her system and she would prefer not to use the additional piece of equipment with the additional power supply and cables. Do cable modems normally require a driver when connected directly to the computer's Ethernet adapter? My router doesn't appear to require one. Is there some difference between the communications protocols required by the Ethernet side of a cable modem and the computer side of a router? |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:38:31 -0400, RobertVA
wrote: While I'm not certain, I believe the ISP is using an ID number in the modem for authentication. My modem carton is labeled with an number labeled "HFC MAC ID..." with is duplicated on the modem itself (there are four spare stickers like the one on the modem). The stickers also bear a "USB CPE MAC ID...". I see no mention of a CPE Ethernet MAC ID. When I switched from the USB connection to the Ethernet connection through the router on my computer the connection was promptly established and has been operating properly (at least through the router) for several months since. My cable modem was purchased over the counter at the ISP's service and payment center. While I did use the modem's installation CD to get the USB interface running, I didn't find it necessary to use the ISP's setup CD for either the connection via USB or connection via the router. The ISP installation CD I have predates the release of Windows Vista and refuses to run on the relatives Vista system. Barb Bowman wrote: who is the ISP? using Ethernet is much preferred over USB. The ISP is Cox Cable (Hampton Roads VA, USA). I'm aware of the potential of a USB internet connection to clog the USB buss with a large quantity of traffic. I am also aware of the security advantages of the NAT and SPI functions featured in many routers. As I upgraded from dial up when I first obtained the broadband service, the speed of the budget tier broadband was QUITE satisfactory and didn't seem to overwhelm USB. The firewall included with Windows XP appears to have pretty much the same features as a router's SPI. I obtained my router later from someone who had replaced it with a newer router. I'm not presently concerned about its lack of WPA encryption because I'm only using the wired functions and have turned off the WAP. The ISP's field technician had no better luck than I did. The relative said the field technician's notebook worked fine. I don't know which version of Windows he was using. The relative appears to have become the victim of a game of hot potato with the ISP and computer dealer (on behalf of the computer manufacturer) blaming each other for the problem. The only idea I have at present is to try my router on her computer (as a test) and allow the relative to chose between buying a router (I saw a Netgear one on sale for $40 until Saturday) or doing without internet if it works. I'm not familiar enough with Vista to be very comfortable changing settings with a registry editor. |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
Peter Foldes wrote:
Did you reset the cable modem. ???? Connect to the computer and unplug the power source to the modem in the back for 5-10 seconds and plug it back on. Now open your computer and it will recognize the modem and vica versa The relative's modem was reset so many times I lost count. The surge suppressor for the whole setup was turned off for several days before the new computer was first powered up. The modem had plenty of time to negotiate with the ISP's network before the Ethernet cable was connected to the computer. Subsequently the modem's power cord was unplugged and reconnected while connected to the computer more than once. |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
there are a lot of routers that work with Vista and don't need
regedits, etc. I'd start with something from the listing on http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...=v&cid=712&g=d On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:53:40 -0400, RobertVA wrote: The only idea I have at present is to try my router on her computer (as a test) and allow the relative to chose between buying a router (I saw a Netgear one on sale for $40 until Saturday) or doing without internet if it works. I'm not familiar enough with Vista to be very comfortable changing settings with a registry editor. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
RobertVA wrote:
Main issue is a problem getting a relative's new computer to connect to the Internet. The relative has been operating a non-branded Windows 2000 computer for several years with an Ethernet cable connecting the computer directly to a cable modem. That computer developed registry problems that it cannot recover from with the "last known good configuration" option. Windows 2000 can't start in safe mode either. The relative doesn't have a Windows 2000 installation CD and there's no indication there's a recovery partition on the small hard drive. She decided to acquire a replacement computer. The new Vista Home Premium SP1 64 bit computer doesn't appear to be recognizing the IP address setting from the ISP. As a result the Internet is inaccessible and the computer is reporting limited connectivity to an "Unidentified network". By comparison to articles on the ISP's web site (obtained and printed out on another computer at another location) the cable modem is connected to the computer in the recommended way (directly with a standard cat 5 cable) and the various TCP/IP settings are as the ISP recommends. As prompted in a telephone conversation with one of the ISP's customer service representatives I rechecked the TCP/IP settings, disconnected and reconnected the Ethernet cable at both ends and cycled the power on the cable modem to reset it. the CS representative reset the modem via remote control as well and indicated that his terminal indicated that the computer's network adapter was visible through the cable modem. All the resets, power cycling and cable reconnect ions resulted in the computer reporting the disconnection and attempt to renegotiate the connect. Unfortunately the computer always resumed the "limited connectivity" to the "unknown network" The relevance to the Windows XP group IS coming! MY computer is running Windows XP SP2 and I am using a different brand cable modem with dual USB and Ethernet interfaces (same ISP). When I upgraded to broadband I was using the USB connection between the computer and cable modem (loading a driver was required). I later acquired a router and the additional cables to connect the components. The computer had no problem detecting the different connection. With the intention of taking my computer to my relative's residence to see if her cable modem was working properly I bypassed my router. With the same Ethernet cable I normally use between the router and the computer connected directly to MY cable modem in my residence my windows XP computer appeared to be having the same problem the relative's new Vista computer was having! My settings also correspond to those listed in the ISP's web article. Not wanting to spoil my settings for operating through the router I am reluctant to make any changes to my computer's settings. I haven't had the opportunity to try the router on her system and she would prefer not to use the additional piece of equipment with the additional power supply and cables. Do cable modems normally require a driver when connected directly to the computer's Ethernet adapter? My router doesn't appear to require one. Is there some difference between the communications protocols required by the Ethernet side of a cable modem and the computer side of a router? Status report: ISP's customer service representative couldn't get Ethernet connection directly to the cable modem working. TCP/IP settings checked. Modem reset multiple times through remote command and disconnect/reconnect of modem's power cable. Chain retailer was able to get a connection at their facility, but don't have information about weather connection was through the store's LAN or directly to a cable modem. The ISP's field technician wasn't able to get the new Vista system to make a connection with the Ethernet cable connected directly to the cable modem either. Field technician was able to get his notebook to connect when connected directly to the cable modem. Replacement cable modem didn't work connected directly to the new Vista system either. Relocated my router to the relative's home. Found new modem completely powered down. After connecting router between computer and modem turned the equipment on (modem, router, then the computer). New Vista system recognized the network. SUCCESS!!! Router isn't exactly the latest model (no WPA on WAP) but wired functions work well. WAP is deactivated. Plenty of entertainment from the numerous LEDs on the front panel! I was wondering for a while, since Vista promptly downloaded over 70 MB of Microsoft's various updates. Since it wasn't looking like she was going to be going online without the added equipment (despite the earlier Windows 2000 computer not requiring the router) the relative settled for the addition of a router. She is now using the router I had been using and I acquired a nice new 802-11g router for on sale for only $40 (before sales taxes). I spent a while using the new computer's function to manufacture optical recovery media (in case the HD failed). It took three DVD-Rs! Glad I wasn't trying to use CDs! I set up her parameters for Windows Mail and called it a night. I'll educate her about the security advantages of using a router at a later date. |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
well, at least she has the protection of a router. this was a good
solution. On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:30:34 -0400, RobertVA wrote: I'll educate her about the security advantages of using a router at a later date. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
if someone wants to buy a router and wants guidance, it is
recommended to select from this listing. there are devices not on the list that work fine, but if you don't want to take a chance, the list is available. On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:49 -0400, +Bob+ wrote: That's a lamely short list and omits 95% of the routers in use - and does not include what most ISP's install. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
+Bob+ wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:16:17 -0400, Barb Bowman wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:49 -0400, +Bob+ wrote: That's a lamely short list and omits 95% of the routers in use - and does not include what most ISP's install. if someone wants to buy a router and wants guidance, it is recommended to select from this listing. there are devices not on the list that work fine, but if you don't want to take a chance, the list is available. Agreed... still, most of what anyone will find in a store or provided by an ISP is not on the compatibility list. That's way less that convenient (and yet another bonehead move by MS). Microsoft may be demanding a hefty funds transfer from the device manufacturer for Microsoft's labor costs of product review and testing. There may be a combination of product cycles replacing models too quickly and manufacturers' reluctance to pay Microsoft's fee. Also an academic exercise, since the relative is successfully on line with the modem I had and I am using the new modem I bought on sale Thursday at the chain electronics store to post this article and access the web. I'm still curious as to what the problem is, but both systems are working online. I don't want to tie up your time typing out or researching equipment recommendations. Obviously the CPE side of the cable modems are doing SOMETHING different than the LAN side of the routers. Three modems manufactured by two different manufacturers are having the same problem on two computers from different manufacturers and different Windows versions. The settings on the HFC side of both routers corresponds to the ISP's recommended TCP/IP setting for CP and Vista computers connected directly to the CPE side of the modems. I'm beginning to think so few ISP customers are connecting without routers the ISP's staff haven't learned how to make that configuration work. |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
what brand and model cable modem exactly demonstrated the problem?
what did you replace it with? On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:24:03 -0400, RobertVA wrote: Also an academic exercise, since the relative is successfully on line with the modem I had and I am using the new modem I bought on sale Thursday at the chain electronics store to post this article and access the web. I'm still curious as to what the problem is, but both systems are working online. I don't want to tie up your time typing out or researching equipment recommendations. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
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Also an academic exercise, since the relative is successfully on line with the modem I had and I am using the new modem I bought on sale Thursday at the chain electronics store to post this article and access the web. I'm still curious as to what the problem is, but both systems are working online. I don't want to tie up your time typing out or researching equipment recommendations. -- Barb Bowman wrote: what brand and model cable modem exactly demonstrated the problem? what did you replace it with? On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:24:03 -0400, RobertVA The relative's original modem was a D-Link DCM200 My modem is a Motorola Surfboard SB5120 I didn't get the model number from the relative's new modem, but it too is a Motorola and could be the same model as mine. |
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What's different connecting directly to a cable modem?
the DCM-200 was a DOCSIS 1.0 (supposedly 1.1 capable but it was
discontinued before upgrades were available AFAIK) first generation cable modem. It only had a 10 meg Ethernet port as well, which in today's world is not good enough. The 5100/5101/5120 line from Motorola is a DOCSIS 2.0 capable cable modem and these are "current generation". So, basically, you've done quite well.. On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:02:05 -0400, RobertVA wrote: The relative's original modem was a D-Link DCM200 My modem is a Motorola Surfboard SB5120 I didn't get the model number from the relative's new modem, but it too is a Motorola and could be the same model as mine. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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